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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I'm not sure how "didn't add muscle" = "poor work ethic" And Jake Virtanen tried to bulk up and ended up a lot stronger, but way slower and out of shape. I figure team trainers know what they're doing, but "just get stronger" isn't especially useful. Doubly so when a player has already had success at a previous weight and are used to playing at it.
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CBJSprague24 posted:Jones literally said "Screw it" and took the shot without taking time to set it up, too. no, i don't think that he literally said that.
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At this level, the training plans for players are very specific and customized by the training staff. Some people are hard gainers but that's not news to professional fitness people and they're gonna know if someone was slacking off from a plan vs just working against genetics. Whether or not the coach interprets that the same way and doesn't interfere with the training staff is more open to question.
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ThinkTank posted:Yup, it boils down to the fact that those with responsibility (generally older) are jealous of the unencumbered nature of those without it (the young and carefree). Placing the expectations of a 53 year old family man on a single 22 year old guy leads to situations where Seguin gets traded for a bundle of soiled rags. People do a hell of a lot of growing up and settling down in their twenties, it just requires a modicum of patience to play out. The thing is, with high level athletes, you have to do the work when you're younger, because that's when your body can best handle the physical demands of playing a pro sport. Just about every player on an NHL roster was, at some point, an uber talented superstar manchild dominating little kids...and a lot of those guys flame out at lower levels because they get outworked by equivalent talents who are willing to put in the work as the skill level increases. In this context, 22 years old is kind of ancient...most NHL caliber players have been busting their asses since they were 13, or maybe even younger than that. If you haven't learned to put in the work by 22, that can be a big problem. Note: I'm not conflating having a good time party boy lifestyle with working your rear end off in the gym and on the ice: these are different matters. I'd expect a millionaire in his early 20s to have a good drat time, but to still prioritize his profession over his leisure activities. It might be unfair to expect this of teenagers and early 20-somethings, but that's how sports works.
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https://twitter.com/SWhyno/status/829379363602841600 This is the woman from the UAE National Team that the Capitals invited over a few months ago practicing with the Capitals players. Owns.
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https://twitter.com/jcutroni/status/829176108713127937 There's some RAS avatar names.
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I had to look at the box score to figure out who the hell Brad Chase was. Brady Skjei
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Yeah that one was confusing the hell out of me Matt Zerella is a very pro name and I'll be mad if someone in RAS isn't named that by the end of the day
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bewbies posted:The thing is, with high level athletes, you have to do the work when you're younger, because that's when your body can best handle the physical demands of playing a pro sport. Just about every player on an NHL roster was, at some point, an uber talented superstar manchild dominating little kids...and a lot of those guys flame out at lower levels because they get outworked by equivalent talents who are willing to put in the work as the skill level increases. In this context, 22 years old is kind of ancient...most NHL caliber players have been busting their asses since they were 13, or maybe even younger than that. If you haven't learned to put in the work by 22, that can be a big problem. Of course, these are pro-athletes we're talking about. You don't get to the NHL by coasting on talent alone (Kovalev excepted). Players are required to commit full time from the age of 12 Still, Gostisbehere isn't some rookie who dominated junior and is now struggling at the pro level. He's had success in the NHL, some would say a great deal of it. He's having a sophmore slump, but they happen. Nothing has changed from his rookie season in regards to work ethic, training, etc. (or at least we can assume he hasn't suddenly decided to start hanging out at strip clubs and chugging codeine). So why has the team suddenly decided he's not trying hard enough? Why wasn't that identified last year? And if it was, why did the team feel they had to modify a successful formula? Why is it that apparently coasting on talent worked one year, then isn't close to good enough the next? I just find that mindset odd. High risk, high reward players like Gotisbehere are just that. You have to take the good with the bad, and accept that when they're not dominating offensively they can be a big of a drag. With that said, they're generally a positive asset for their team and you have to let them work through their struggles. What is he learning glued to a seat in the pressbox? He knows he's not doing well, what does crushing his confidence accomplish? He's a classic whipping boy and is being scapegoated for the team's struggles since their winning streak, something he's had very little to do with. His mistakes are more prominent than others, so he gets the short end of the stick when players like Bellemare and Weise who bust their asses are probably a far bigger detriment to the team. They're damaging their relationship with their best young defenceman just to what, prove a point about hard work? If my boss started criticizing me for every mistake I made and told me what I'd been succesful with in the past was suddenly not good enough, I'd harbour some resentment. Sure as poo poo when contract time came around, I wouldn't be doing management any budgetary favours. This is a repeat of what happened to Subban and we all know how that ended. If the Habs had treated him with just a bit more tact, they'd probably still have him and likely could've paid him far less than they ultimately did. It's such a strange policy to me. Play hardball and penny pinch with the guys that don't matter so much, not the nucleus of your defence.
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He's having a slight slump but a big part of it is coming down from exceptional luck.
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Teemu Pokemon posted:Yeah that one was confusing the hell out of me Rest easy, friend.
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Matt Zerella posted:https://twitter.com/jcutroni/status/829176108713127937 Pro name change
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Panotch tweeted that Ghost was practicing with the 1st unit PP today, and that they were having him pair up with Provorov a couple times Then he was the last one off the ice which usually means healthy scratch
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ThinkTank posted:Nothing has changed from his rookie season in regards to work ethic, training, etc. (or at least we can assume he hasn't suddenly decided to start hanging out at strip clubs and chugging codeine). So why has the team suddenly decided he's not trying hard enough? Why wasn't that identified last year? And if it was, why did the team feel they had to modify a successful formula? Why is it that apparently coasting on talent worked one year, then isn't close to good enough the next? I have absolutely no idea about Gotitsbear's daily routine or work ethic or anything else, but it certainly isn't unheard of for pro athletes to suddenly and dramatically fall off performance-wise due to a lack of work ethic after having achieved something big (usually the big contract, but could be making it to the big leagues too). There could be any number of things that are causing the sophomore slump; not working hard could certainly be one of them. Point being, it isn't at all unreasonable for a coach or manager to get on a guy for not meeting the expectations the team or organization has with regard to work ethic. It might be misguided in some cases, but in other cases it is totally warranted (note: I do not have any idea where Gotitsbear falls on this spectrum). I do agree though that pro sports teams in general are exceedingly impatient and a variety of bad things comes from this behavior.
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The thing is that even if his work ethic is the problem, benching a guy doesn't actually fix his work ethic. It just makes your team worse.
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What I'm understanding is it's less on Ghostbear not playing up to a Norris level standard but the Flyers organization having no clue what they are doing with development. e ^ Yeah, benching a kid a bunch is detrimental always.
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bewbies posted:I have absolutely no idea about Gotitsbear's daily routine or work ethic or anything else, but it certainly isn't unheard of for pro athletes to suddenly and dramatically fall off performance-wise due to a lack of work ethic after having achieved something big (usually the big contract, but could be making it to the big leagues too). There could be any number of things that are causing the sophomore slump; not working hard could certainly be one of them. Point being, it isn't at all unreasonable for a coach or manager to get on a guy for not meeting the expectations the team or organization has with regard to work ethic. It might be misguided in some cases, but in other cases it is totally warranted (note: I do not have any idea where Gotitsbear falls on this spectrum). Go tits bear that's some person's fetish somewhere
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It seems like the Flyers have a similar problem as the Cardinals: Good GM but a dumbass coach who works to undermine the GM?
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Gostisbehere rocking a 95 PDO is probably why he looks bad.
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Jordan7hm posted:The thing is that even if his work ethic is the problem, benching a guy doesn't actually fix his work ethic. It just makes your team worse. There aren't much things worse for an athlete than to be not playing when you think you should be playing....in hockey this goes for never ever beer leaguers all the way to the NHL. If indiscipline is the issue here, having a game or two to stew about it can be a pretty effective motivator. If the issue is a developmental one however that's a different story.
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Matt Zerella posted:Rest easy, friend. Excellent
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bewbies posted:There aren't much things worse for an athlete than to be not playing when you think you should be playing....in hockey this goes for never ever beer leaguers all the way to the NHL. If indiscipline is the issue here, having a game or two to stew about it can be a pretty effective motivator. If the issue is a developmental one however that's a different story. Sitting out for a week isn't going to fix serious behavioural issues. Having a season where your totals suck is much more likely to get you working hard in the summer. I have real doubts that this accomplishes anything other than creating a distraction.
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Benching the ghost is stupid, work ethic be damned. Anyways, Montreal sent down De La Rose and called up Carr and McCarron. It's mostly arranging deck chairs, whatever.
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Matt Zerella posted:https://twitter.com/jcutroni/status/829176108713127937 Someone get this lady on set with Don Cherry
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I mean he's like, what, 22 or 23? It wouldn't surprise me if he feels like he doesn't have to work any harder because of how well he played last year. Not that I'm much older than him, but young people are stupid. I'm actually pretty stupid too. Yeah it's common enough to have earned a name, the "sophomore slump", for when a young player has a real good 1st season and seems to think "well I'm awesome now I don't need to work any harder than I was before obviously I have this poo poo figured out" and then they struggle next season. It's probably really annoying for teams though because they're for sure saying "no really you need to work on these things it doesn't get easier from here it gets harder" and then the players don't do that. ThinkTank posted:Is there a lazier cliche in sports than "bad work ethic" for a young player? It's thrown about constantly, but I can count on one hand the number of times it has been true. In the vast majority of cases the answer is "players improve at different rates and can stagnate for a bit after having some initial success." Assuming that a drop in performance is suddenly the result of too much partying/not being a team guy instead of a natural part of the ups and downs of a pro career is just lazy. Not everyone is a Sidney Crosby beep boop never stop working machine. I think the term "bad work ethic" is overused because most of the guys probably work harder at their job than the vast majority of regular people, but I do believe that like I said you have some guys who need to improve on things but don't for whatever reason (they think that since they did well the year before they don't need to improve their weak points, etc). That doesn't mean they're slacking though, they're still working out and in NHL hockey shape, it's just that they didn't spend the time to improve their weaknesses if they could. But that all said yeah just straight benching him is pretty dumb. Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I'm not sure how "didn't add muscle" = "poor work ethic" That was probably DiPietro being dumb but it's also a bit different when you're talking about goalies.
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People also hit physical and psychological limits that they have to learn to work around/through. This can create unfair perceptions where others see a problem with work-ethic that is actually more about unlocking your mind to reach new limits or finding out how to deal with your body as things change. I know all too well how injuries can throw someone off track when they are used to a particular workout routine that they have to to change and then find the results aren't the same. It can take a long time to figure that stuff out.
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What exactly happened with DiPietro, anyways? He really seemed like he'd be very successful. Was bulking up the only thing? Although, looking at his numbers in school/U.S. National team, they're not that great. I suppose I just fell for the hype but maybe there's something I'm missing.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:What exactly happened with DiPietro, anyways? He really seemed like he'd be very successful. Was bulking up the only thing?
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There are currently only two teams in the Atlantic division that have positive goal differentials. And one of them has 9 rookies. Atlantic real bad.
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The NHL is a joke league, look at this poo poo https://www.nhl.com/video/situation-room-sjs-vs-buf/t-277781830/c-49201303
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Stretch Marx posted:There are currently only two teams in the Atlantic division that have positive goal differentials. And one of them has 9 rookies. Atlantic real bad. 3 of them will make the playoffs because reasons
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Teemu Pokemon posted:3 of them will make the playoffs because reasons Good. The Metro doesn't deserve to get extra teams just because they get to play the Atlantic so often.
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Matt Zerella posted:https://twitter.com/jcutroni/status/829176108713127937 Anze Kopidor and Brad Doty
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DiPietro had a lot of talent I think but yeah injuries screwed his career. I think what amounted to his career ending hip injury occurred while he was at the all-star game
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Levitate posted:DiPietro had a lot of talent I think but yeah injuries screwed his career. I think what amounted to his career ending hip injury occurred while he was at the all-star game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHlHOBZLN5E yup
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e:f,b. But yes. Hype, unrealistic expectations, playing behind a real bad Islanders team, and injuries riggitywrecked DiPi. Also, DiPietro was hurt by the Brodeur rule. It's wild that the Isles traded away Luongo and Olli Jokinen for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha. To make room for DiPietro. What the gently caress, man. Rotten Cookies fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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