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am i right in thinking all the amendments have been knocked down so far? edit: 1952 - Princess Elizabeth formally proclaimed herself Queen and Head of the Commonwealth and Defender of the Faith. Lords of the Council, numbering 150, representatives from the Commonwealth and officials from the City of London, including the Lord Mayor and other dignitaries witnessed the accession of the deceased king's eldest daughter
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Looke posted:am i right in thinking all the amendments have been knocked down so far? Yup. Kind of annoying that there are a bunch of Labour MP's (Frank Field, Kelvin Hopkins, Graham Stringer, Gisela Stuart, John Mann and a few others) who are voting against every amendment too, including Labour front bench amendments. So far it hasn't been the deciding factor, but with each vote relying on a relatively small number of rebellious Tories it would be infuriating if Labour rebels prevented an amendment from going through. Real questions of the night: Will Clive Lewis resign? Will Diane Abbott vote for Article 50?
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What is their justification for that, exactly?
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jabby posted:it would be infuriating if Labour rebels prevented an amendment from going through. No, infuriating would be Labour running a three line whip on the final vote. Your scenario can be filed under 'unlikely'.
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OwlFancier posted:What is their justification for that, exactly? He's mean and stupid and ugly and I dont like him and its not fair  (((((((((((((((((((((((((((
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OwlFancier posted:What is their justification for that, exactly? They are largely Labour's 'pro-Brexit' contingent and must have bought into the Tory mantra that this bill must not be amended in any way. Plus I recognise a few names, like Frank Field, as being notorious jackasses who oppose Corbyn in everything. Weirdly the Graun is saying the bill has moved to the final part of committee stage so there won't be a vote on the amendment concerning EU nationals? Considering that was one of the ones most likely to pass that's drat strange. EDIT: Forget it, they're just doing things in a weird order.
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Feb 8, 2017 20:37
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No vote on the protection of EU nationals ammendment, looks like it got cut for time
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Feb 8, 2017 20:39
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Did that idiot who spammed all the lovely amendments end up taking up a bunch of time?
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Feb 8, 2017 20:39
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Oh wait its up now
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It's a shame the Tories weren't challenged on how long this act would be put before parliament. Oh well.
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Feb 8, 2017 20:44
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Defeated 290 to 332.
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Feb 8, 2017 20:45
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For all the talk it looks like very few Tories had the guts to rebel.
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jabby posted:For all the talk it looks like very few Tories had the guts to rebel. I think the most that was mustered was 7 for Chris Leslie's ammendment on a final vote in parliament which where nearly counteracted by the usual Brexiter Labour MPs opposing it kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Can somebody provide me with a comprehensive list of all those amendments Labour won as a result of their Article 50 bill strategy?
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I suppose the next course of action is to paint the tories as not being willing to commit to ensuring the best for british workers in their negotiations.
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Pissflaps posted:Can somebody provide me with a comprehensive list of all those amendments Labour won as a result of their Article 50 bill strategy? Oh gently caress off. You've been told a million times that Labour has absolutely zero leverage to force Tory MP's to vote for their amendments, and your pathetic counter that they could have done so via 'public pressure' is wilfully ignorant.
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What are the chances of the Lords causing a bit of trouble? I'm guessing they won't throw themselves to the wolves by actually blocking it, but are there any rumours of any spoilers going down?
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jabby posted:Oh gently caress off. You've been told a million times that Labour has absolutely zero leverage to force Tory MP's to vote for their amendments, and your pathetic counter that they could have done so via 'public pressure' is wilfully ignorant. I told you people that there would be no amendments. Guess what? There are no amendments. When you throw away your leverage you don't get concessions. Corbyn is a moron.
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baka kaba posted:What are the chances of the Lords causing a bit of trouble? I'm guessing they won't throw themselves to the wolves by actually blocking it, but are there any rumours of any spoilers going down? Also... https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/829419578358915077 Remains to be seen what mystery condition will tragically strike Diane Abbott down before she can cast her vote. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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OwlFancier posted:I suppose the next course of action is to paint the tories as not being willing to commit to ensuring the best for british workers in their negotiations. Actually the next course of action is for Corbyn to take tomorrow off because he had a late night.
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Yes, what Lemondrizzle said - seen comments about concerns about being UNELECTED ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE if they delay it. E: And yes, 7 was the most Tory rebels that I know of. Clarke was the main consistent one, as he was in December.
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Pissflaps posted:When you throw away your leverage you don't get concessions. Corbyn is a moron. "You had BETTER vote for our amendements or we'll..." Do what exactly? Vote against Article 50? The Tories have a majority you complete muppet. Labour had no leverage whatsoever.
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It was impossible for Labour to be proper opposition in regards to this bill in practice, but it wasn't impossible to be a collective opposition in principle.
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jabby posted:"You had BETTER vote for our amendements or we'll..." Labour's about to three line whip an unamended Brexit bill, with your full approval, and you have the temerity to describe somebody else as a muppet. You are what's wrong with labour.
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Rakosi posted:It was impossible for Labour to be proper opposition in regards to this bill in practice.
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Feb 8, 2017 21:11
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'Twas nice knowing you, Britain.
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Pissflaps posted:Labour's about to three line whip an unamended Brexit bill, with your full approval, and you have the temerity to describe somebody else as a muppet. It was a complete the sentence exercise, and I'm not detecting an answer anywhere here. You're literally Teresa May at PMQs responding to a question with 'No, YOU suck!' EDIT: Also Diane Abbott votes for Article 50 as she said she would on Question Time, confirming that everyone who questioned her illness was just being a dick.
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jabby posted:It was a complete the sentence exercise, and I'm not detecting an answer anywhere here. You're literally Teresa May at PMQs responding to a question with 'No, YOU suck!' She faked being ill. She pretended to have a migraine.
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Feb 8, 2017 21:17
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The Green voter surveys the burnt out circus big top that is Corbyn's labour: "there was literally nothing else he could have done". loving idiots.
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Thanks for the input Dr Flaps
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https://twitter.com/ParlyApp/status/829424043174526976 Pitiful.
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https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/829424668511764482 "Tory Brexit"
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It's not a loving Tory Brexit if you loving voted for it you loving idiot.
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Have I read correctly that we didn't even have time to debate EU worker protections? What a farce.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/829424668511764482
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spectralent posted:Quite a statement. Who's going to be the party of not-brexit, then? It turns out you just surrender half the country on marginal votes if you're the opposition, so I'm wondering who gives a gently caress about me I can offer my support to. e: oh Sinn Fein I guess also.
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LemonDrizzle posted:According to the Guardian, none - there have been so many "we want hard brexit and we want it now" votes in Parliament that the Lords would be unable to justify presenting any meaningful impediment to the bill's passage. Unable according to procedure, or more "they wouldn't!!!"? Given the gravity of this whole thing and the lasting impact they might feel this is a unique situation. And the Tories don't have a majority so there's potential for a meaningful resistance, to force amendments etc. Aside from the Mail and Express having all their heads on pikes by tomorrow evening of course COMMEMORATIVE PULLOUT FOR YOU TO TREASURE FOREVER
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I was being a bit sarcastic but christ that's a pretty sorry lineup if you're in england and didn't vote leave.
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