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Decus
Feb 24, 2013

Len posted:

How do I exploit the baccarat casino for fun and profit?

With quick saves. It's a soft-reset too if you go no, no, yes (a, up a, up a IIRC). Once you get 15.5k coins or thereabouts you can fill up an entire 1/3rd of the board and then just save/load if you don't win 55k+.

On PS2 you wanted to do a similar method but without the convenience of quick saves you were banking on probability rewarding you over time after you had a big enough pool. Basically, you win at least 55k maybe more from 15.5k and you have about 1/3 odds of winning. Over time you'd expect to come out on top. You can still do this instead of save/load if you want, but it'll take longer actually and isn't any less mindless/easy to do while doing something else, given you're saving in front of the table and loading back in in front of the table versus having to navigate from the church.

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Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Okay I've got 270,000 coins more than enough to get the slime king armors and the falcon blade. How can I turn coins into enough gold I never have to think about it again.

ZZT the Fifth
Dec 6, 2006
I shot the invisible swordsman.

Len posted:

Okay I've got 270,000 coins more than enough to get the slime king armors and the falcon blade. How can I turn coins into enough gold I never have to think about it again.

You can get prayer rings at 1000 tokens apiece. They sell for 1500 gold each and the sell price never goes down.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich
What the best machine to gamble with at Baccarat? Also any armor or weapons I must make before I fight the final boss? My party uses spears, swords, staves, and a bow. My final party is going to be Hero, Angelo, Jessica, and Red.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Rirse posted:

What the best machine to gamble with at Baccarat? Also any armor or weapons I must make before I fight the final boss? My party uses spears, swords, staves, and a bow. My final party is going to be Hero, Angelo, Jessica, and Red.

Roulette, without a doubt. You should have more than enough for everything you need (including prayer ringsto sell) within maybe an hour.

Best spear (before postgame) is hero spear, which you get from rank a in the monster arena.

Bow is Odin's Bow, which is Ero's Bow + Cheiron's Bow + Great Bow

Sword is liquid metal sword which is Rusty Sword + Slime Crown + Orichalcum

Staff doesn't matter to be quite honest, as long as you have one equipped. Staff of Ressurection if you don't have 100 points in staves yet. If you do, then Rune Staff, for free kabuff.

Armor is more your preference, whether you want evasion or magic defense more.

Look up timbrel of tension if you don't know what it is.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Avalerion posted:

Also of note, best spear and best boomerang seem to be exclusive, as in you need one to make the other.

The remake added second copies of the best spear and best axe, so now you can make the best boomerang and best hammer without any sacrifice.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich

ROFL Octopus posted:

Roulette, without a doubt. You should have more than enough for everything you need (including prayer ringsto sell) within maybe an hour.

Best spear (before postgame) is hero spear, which you get from rank a in the monster arena.

Bow is Odin's Bow, which is Ero's Bow + Cheiron's Bow + Great Bow

Sword is liquid metal sword which is Rusty Sword + Slime Crown + Orichalcum

Staff doesn't matter to be quite honest, as long as you have one equipped. Staff of Ressurection if you don't have 100 points in staves yet. If you do, then Rune Staff, for free kabuff.

Armor is more your preference, whether you want evasion or magic defense more.

Look up timbrel of tension if you don't know what it is.

Oh nice, I had all the parts for the Odin Bow sitting in my inventory the entire time.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

I just got the option to get the Jessica ending and lmao is it loving awful

Maybe the advanced version of it is better but what were they thinking?

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

I just got the option to get the Jessica ending and lmao is it loving awful

Maybe the advanced version of it is better but what were they thinking?

They were thinking "Uh, how do we satisfy all those people that obsess over Jessica? Oh they just give her a dress and she's like "hell yeah lets get hitched"."

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Crabtree posted:

They were thinking "Uh, how do we satisfy all those people that obsess over Jessica? Oh they just give her a dress and she's like "hell yeah lets get hitched"."

Lmao it wasn't even that.

It was Medea and Hero in a carriage after they escape. She fired me and told me to go to Jessica and protect her. I said yes and they sat awkwardly in the carriage for like a good minute before it cuts to Hero dumped on the side of the road. Jessica in her normal outfit is just like "Hey stop sitting on the road" and it smashes to credits.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


I just randomly decided to stay at the waterfront abbey while doing the Ascantha quest, and a cutscene with Angelo's background and Trode started playing, it was really good. I didn't have to stay there so I assume it's missable. Any other scenes like that in the game that I have to look out for?

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010

Kikkoman posted:

In DQVII I liberated Alltrades Abbey and some bandits kicked my rear end. Is beating these guys really the only way to advance the story? They keep beating me and not stealing my money wtf

You're getting your rear end handed to you because basic vocations utterly destroys a lot of your stats, reclass into more durable ones or go back to normal for that fight.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Hakkesshu posted:

I just randomly decided to stay at the waterfront abbey while doing the Ascantha quest, and a cutscene with Angelo's background and Trode started playing, it was really good. I didn't have to stay there so I assume it's missable. Any other scenes like that in the game that I have to look out for?

There is a cutscene after you beat Dhoulmagus back in Alexander if you talk to Jessica's mom and stay at the end. There also a long cutscene about Dhoulmagus' background if you visit the fortune teller in the first town later in the game.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Hakkesshu posted:

I just randomly decided to stay at the waterfront abbey while doing the Ascantha quest, and a cutscene with Angelo's background and Trode started playing, it was really good. I didn't have to stay there so I assume it's missable. Any other scenes like that in the game that I have to look out for?

I think you can miss the new Dhoulmagus scene. I finished the story and never saw it.

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

Do i need to do anything to unlock backarat casino, or just advance story?

Also any tips on who to beat monster arena rank b and up with? I'm up to argonia.

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

Avalerion posted:


Also any tips on who to beat monster arena rank b and up with? I'm up to argonia.

Seconding this, most of the advice I see is get the Golem team unlocked but I can't do that yet. I nabbed Talos but I can't find any good support for him.

E: Most people just say progress the story a bit more, and you can get a really good Healer called Curer after the dark ruins.

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010

Avalerion posted:

Do i need to do anything to unlock backarat casino, or just advance story?

Also any tips on who to beat monster arena rank b and up with? I'm up to argonia.

Baccarat has a side quest if you hit it up like, right before Dholmagus or a bit after him I think? To get it opened early, but you can just wait if you hate the idea of cool swag.

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

Cheers to both. I like swag, guessing before Dhoulmagus means when he's in the dark ruins?

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl
It's actually after you clear the area after Dark Ruins.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Lmao it wasn't even that.

It was Medea and Hero in a carriage after they escape. She fired me and told me to go to Jessica and protect her. I said yes and they sat awkwardly in the carriage for like a good minute before it cuts to Hero dumped on the side of the road. Jessica in her normal outfit is just like "Hey stop sitting on the road" and it smashes to credits.

it's even dumber then i could have hoped for

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Also you can still do the casino sidequest after getting Red and Morrie. I do suggest getting them before doing it, as not only they are very helpful against the dungeon, but you might go up a lot of levels there since that area is where you first see King Metal Slimes.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Yeah the casino side quest can be done until right before the final boss

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Rank B I had Capers, Talos and Hackzilla just blow through it.

After that Steropes, Curer and Skeledoid as suggested by this thread

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


How/when do I get Red and Morrie? I just finished the Dark Ruins and I think I managed to get a dog possessed by a demon.

Reco
Feb 26, 2011

enemy one body to the proximity Zan attack discard the power slap hit.
Chase the dog around for a while and you'll get Red soon enough (like after the next two areas or so), I don't know exactly when the window for Morrie is

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Len posted:

How/when do I get Red and Morrie? I just finished the Dark Ruins and I think I managed to get a dog possessed by a demon.

Red is two dungeons away from where you are at, she automatic due to the plot. You can actually get Morrie now, but you need to beat him at in his arena. He is Rank S, but suggested monsters are listed on this page.

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!
I'm about to sink my teeth into DQVIII with the restored orchestral soundtrack on the 3ds

:getin:

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Rank B I had Capers, Talos and Hackzilla just blow through it.

I tried these guys for a bit and couldn't get anywhere at all, they just get wrecked by the first dudes. What level were you? I think that matters.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Yay I beat Dragon Quest 8. Not done with it yet, as I am going to do the bonus content to get the true ending, but man the last boss was a jerk. I hate the attack he has where he slams the ground with his fist, as it crits way too often. Also got annoying since he was faster then the Hero at times, which means I have to accelerate a few times to make sure I can get Omni Heal going before he acts.

Vakal
May 11, 2008

Len posted:

How/when do I get Red and Morrie? I just finished the Dark Ruins and I think I managed to get a dog possessed by a demon.

That's one thing that I never understood about DQ8.

Both Dhoulmagus and Sir Leopold had the sweet-rear end blue skin with red bird wings design when they got possessed by the staff, yet Rapthorne, the one actually possessing them, is a fat purple genie who exhibits neither of those features.

Vakal fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Feb 9, 2017

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
Well, Red just managed to steal me a(n) Yggdrasil Leaf off a monster, I guess she's staying in the party.

Dr Snofeld
Apr 30, 2009
Do you get locked into the Jessica ending by doing something in the game, or do you always get the choice to go with the actually good original endings?

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Dr Snofeld posted:

Do you get locked into the Jessica ending by doing something in the game, or do you always get the choice to go with the actually good original endings?

You get a choice still, and the game has a sorta "are you sure?" option there I think. I went with the default ending in my playthrough but had the triggers for the Jessica ending.

Unmature
May 9, 2008
I went from every random battle being babytown follies to getting my rear end kicked in Castle Trodain. I shouldn't be underleveled because I've been grinding. Screw this place.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Unmature posted:

I went from every random battle being babytown follies to getting my rear end kicked in Castle Trodain. I shouldn't be underleveled because I've been grinding. Screw this place.

Castle Trodian is pretty rough. It also doesn't help there is a big gap between new towns so your armor and weapons are getting outdated at this point.

insanityv2
May 15, 2011

I'm gay
So the earliest you can do the Baccarat sidequest is after Dhoulmagus, specifically after getting Jessica back in the party. Was this always the case, because I remember the consult dialogue during that quest references getting back to chasing Dhoulmagus.

When I first saw it, I thought I accidentally sequence broke the game.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
So how limited is Orichalcum because there are a lot of things you can make with it, and between that and the other two dozen alchemy recipes I've unlocked I'm probably going to explode from choice paralysis.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

rumble in the bunghole posted:

I tried these guys for a bit and couldn't get anywhere at all, they just get wrecked by the first dudes. What level were you? I think that matters.

I think I was around 30-31 when I did it with that team.

Capers died in the second fight as it was winding down and in round 3 Talos just flexed everything off and and managed to put the other team down before they could kill him.It was close but I passed first try. After that though I went through Metal King Hell so my levels got jacked up so can't help you on A-S v:v:v

YggiDee posted:

So how limited is Orichalcum because there are a lot of things you can make with it, and between that and the other two dozen alchemy recipes I've unlocked I'm probably going to explode from choice paralysis.

You can get roughly 4-5 pieces before the credits roll if I recall right. The top of my head:

Godbirds Mountain has 1
Final Dungeon has 2
Princess Minnie has 1 as a reward

I think you get one from the arena? I can't recall.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
so is the 100% alchemy completion reward still a hilarious gently caress you?

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ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

YggiDee posted:

So how limited is Orichalcum because there are a lot of things you can make with it, and between that and the other two dozen alchemy recipes I've unlocked I'm probably going to explode from choice paralysis.

They put more in so you can pretty much go ham with it. Sage Stone has been nerfed to poo poo and you get a free one anyway so you can safely cross it off your list.

To wit, I was able to make:
-1 metal king armor
-1 metal king shield
-2 liquid metal swords
-2 megaton hammers

And I still have a couple left over because I can't really think of any other use for them.

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