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So, if you only eat shroom people and plantoids, does that mean you are a vegetarian? Or is that just healthy living?
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Feb 9, 2017 17:33
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Tarquinn posted:So, if you only eat shroom people and plantoids, does that mean you are a vegetarian? Eating plantoids is canonically vegan in Stellaris.
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Feb 9, 2017 17:42
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GunnerJ posted:Apparently Observation Stations have a new "Indoctrinate" button... Ahahahahayessss...  Now this is proper uplifting!Wiz posted:Eating plantoids is canonically vegan in Stellaris. Even better! Man, this update's going to be so good for playing Space Hitler.
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Wiz posted:Eating plantoids is canonically vegan in Stellaris.
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Wiz posted:Eating plantoids is canonically vegan in Stellaris. You've gone mad with (creative) power
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Feb 9, 2017 18:12
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Also this dev diary was dope as poo poo. I'm going to be buying this bad rear end DLC the moment it comes out.
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Wiz posted:Eating plantoids is canonically vegan in Stellaris. Technically it's all about the ability to suffer without consent, not their type of biology. A consenting human could make cannibalism vegan, breast milk would be vegan. Honey isn't vegan because the bees didn't consent to have the fruits of their labour stolen by MEN WITH (smoke) GUNS. Honey is theft, and slavery. Intelligent plant people, not vegan unless they give their express consent. They'd certainly be vegetarian though because that only concerns its self with plant vs vegetable matter , nothing about intelligence or consent. Kitchner posted:Also this dev diary was dope as poo poo. I'm going to be buying this bad rear end DLC the moment it comes out. gently caress you I'm going to buy it BEFORE it comes out!!
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Feb 9, 2017 18:18
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Not if I buy it first.
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Baronjutter posted:Technically it's all about the ability to suffer without consent, not their type of biology. A consenting human could make cannibalism vegan, breast milk would be vegan. Honey isn't vegan because the bees didn't consent to have the fruits of their labour stolen by MEN WITH (smoke) GUNS. Honey is theft, and slavery. Intelligent plant people, not vegan unless they give their express consent. if that doesn't sound like consent to you then i'll need to refer you to a re-education retreat, FRIEND.
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Feb 9, 2017 18:25
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Kitchner posted:Not if I buy it first. my uncle works at stellaris and he let me play the game before it comes out and there's a race of pikablu
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https://twitter.com/dmoregard/status/829745856689610753 Well, how about that.
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I forget, since it's been a while since I've played the game (because the bank update got announced so early), but can you terraform tomb worlds?
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Nuke from orbit sounds like my kind of thing. Hopefully you can scour all of the foul aliens from the surface without having to touch their unclean soil.Back Hack posted:I forget, since it's been a while since I've played the game (because the bank update got announced so early), but can you terraform tomb worlds? Yes, though it's endgame kind of tech.
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Feb 9, 2017 19:02
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Assume it's called that because Exterminatus was taken. Also, tomb world habitability just got a buff. My HyperRoaches will live in irradiated remains of the homeworlds of Fallen Empires.
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/dmoregard/status/829745856689610753 Yesssssss
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Baronjutter posted:Technically it's all about the ability to suffer without consent, not their type of biology. A consenting human could make cannibalism vegan, breast milk would be vegan. Honey isn't vegan because the bees didn't consent to have the fruits of their labour stolen by MEN WITH (smoke) GUNS. Honey is theft, and slavery. Intelligent plant people, not vegan unless they give their express consent. Vegetarians are concerned about animals in the common language sense, not the formal scientific definition. So plantoids would count imo. (and if you did define it in the formal scientific sense, no alien would be an animal, since none of them are members of the kingdom Animalia)
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worth noting that tomb world terraforming requires 10k energy normally, which is to say that it requires 5k in practice because if you're at all interested in terraforming you're going to place a very high priority on acquiring both strategic resources. so, even though the tech for it is somewhat end game, the economy for it is very end game. you will quite reasonably be wanting to run a multiple hundred a month energy profit to be able to afford 5k like that. that said, again, the primary problem with terraforming as a whole is the time it takes. mechanically i've been very impressed by it in my latest kill everyone run. if i were a xenophobe that was behind the development curve, i could use it to catch up by populating very densely. if i were a pacifist, i could grab territory early and worry about sculpting it to my needs later - again, giving me a good way to become more powerful while not needing to engage in an eternal hell-war. even for a xenophile, it honestly makes most sense to have one overriding atmospheric preference and one overriding atmosphere because that is the only way your lovefest is going to work for everyone. i could easily see gene-modding xeno immigrants to work with your preferred type. the problem is simply how much god drat time it takes. i wish having the strategic resources halved time to complete in addition to energy expenditure. even that is a bit on the high side considering the mechanical precedent. considering that a warmonger can get about 3 planets in 10 years from cede demands i really don't think it's much of a request to have the current soil terraform (tropical -> continental, desert -> savannah, etc) take ~3.3-3.5 years instead of the current 10; if that reduction were applied to the others, that would mean ~7 years to change atmospheres, ~14 years to change tomb to nongaia, and ~28 years to change to gaia. that said even at 5 years for a soil terraform i'd consider the extra year or so of time to be the cost of not pissing off the neighbors. obviously taking planets in a war has some diplomatic ramifications - terraforming has no such problems. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/dmoregard/status/829745856689610753  This is the best update to the best game  Any ideas on how much the DLC will be?
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Feb 9, 2017 19:20
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some punk across the galaxy just suffered a slave rebellion and the rebels' first move was insulting me rude, man, i'm not even involved in this poo poo.
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Feb 9, 2017 19:27
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I wish you could support a galactic slave revolt movement. Fund and arm slaves, offer safe haven, go to war just to liberate worlds. Make every slave using empire in the galaxy hate and fear you.
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Feb 9, 2017 19:29
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/dmoregard/status/829745856689610753 
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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ChickenWing posted:my uncle works at stellaris and he let me play the game before it comes out and there's a race of pikablu I told you that in confidence!!
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One other thing confirmed in the stream was the final number for Dyson sphere energy (1000/mo iirc).
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GunnerJ posted:One other thing confirmed in the stream was the final number for Dyson sphere energy (1000/mo iirc). that's brilliant. energy is the driving force behind expansion in my last handful of games; by comparison, minerals are relatively easy to acquire because you can freaking hang onto them pretty easy. there's always some worthless system with no redeeming factors so that's gorgeous. one thought, though - we know what happens to the surrounding system as a dyson sphere is completed (planets go Frozen) but do we know what happens if it is later removed or destroyed somehow? or is that not a thing that can happen after installation? it would be hysterical to use a dyson sphere as an offensive weapon and then come back later to terraform/recolonize the now sterilized worlds.
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Coolguye posted:one thought, though - we know what happens to the surrounding system as a dyson sphere is completed (planets go Frozen) but do we know what happens if it is later removed or destroyed somehow? or is that not a thing that can happen after installation? it would be hysterical to use a dyson sphere as an offensive weapon and then come back later to terraform/recolonize the now sterilized worlds. Don't think that would work because you need to have a system in your territory to build megastructures. Also I may have been joking about "final number."  But the number shown on stream (which is supposedly "not" final) was 200 per month.
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Contested territories still count as your system!
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GunnerJ posted:Don't think that would work because you need to have a system in your territory to build megastructures. it would goddamn well work to make my current sectors purge the xenos, and they're offensive to me by their mere existence. also 200 a month is still brilliant for a smaller/denser empire so still liking that a lot.
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Coolguye posted:it would goddamn well work to make my current sectors purge the xenos, and they're offensive to me by their mere existence. Well, fair enough, but then it's not so much a weapon as a housekeeping appliance.
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my roomba shuts off the sun
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A roomba that shuts off the sun is a black hole, surely.
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My take on terraforming is pretty much you're required to have at least 1 resource if you want to do more than basic terraforming. In fact, my preference is to really just either get 1 species for each wet/hot/cold biome, or gene mod my race out to go there. If you're gene modding though, terraforming is nearly obsolete, since you can just have every biome. The only time you'd want to terraform is to get a really good placement for your colony lander.
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Baronjutter posted:Technically it's all about the ability to suffer without consent, not their type of biology. A consenting human could make cannibalism vegan, breast milk would be vegan. Honey isn't vegan because the bees didn't consent to have the fruits of their labour stolen by MEN WITH (smoke) GUNS. Honey is theft, and slavery. Intelligent plant people, not vegan unless they give their express consent. Yes but on the other hand eating plantoids is canonically vegan in Stellaris.
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terraforming makes sense from an economic point of view regardless because it removes all blockers on the planet. many planets spawn with at least 6 blockers and larger planets can have as many as 15. at ~100 days apiece you are frequently looking at between 2 and 4 years just to clear off the planet - and since construction can't happen while clearing is going on, that time is simply lost to your pops planet side. not to mention the minerals you also expend clearing blockers. certainly, you will likely end up paying a bit of an energy premium, but that's at least a fair trade. 10 years however is really difficult to justify. 5 years would be pretty simple to justify, especially on large, high-blocker planets, because you can immediately get to work on what's actually important once you get the colony ship there and spend your minerals on building up your current planets in the mean time.
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Wiz posted:Yes but on the other hand eating plantoids is canonically vegan in Stellaris. This is really weird to me, like honestly. I can't tell the joke if it's a joke. Since I haven't played the expansion, do different species types really treat this stuff differently or not? These constant jokes about stuff that hasn't been explained (and GunnerJ straight up making things up to get a response) get tiresome when trying to understand the upcoming features.
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Rakthar posted:This is really weird to me, like honestly. I can't tell the joke if it's a joke. it is a joke when tf has veganism or diet at all mattered in any of the dev diaries or at any point in the game's development like seriously you can be all 'hey that isn't funny' (and you'd be wrong because it's good for a chuckle) but questioning whether or not it's even a joke is just  if you want to get real information just go read the dev diaries yourself, they are not long at all among other things you'd learn that the expansion isn't even out yet so nobody has played it yet.
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Rakthar posted:This is really weird to me, like honestly. I can't tell the joke if it's a joke. Okay, let me phrase your question for you properly: Is there in fact mechanics for determining whether the consumption of a particular alien race is or is not vegan in the next Stellaris update? What do you *think* is the correct answer to that?
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Rakthar posted:This is really weird to me, like honestly. I can't tell the joke if it's a joke. Wiz is the Game Director for Stellaris. This is like posting about Game of Thrones and GRRM piping up and saying "Canonically speaking, Daenyrs is hotter than the sand snake with the nice tits". You know this isn't actually true, but you can hardly argue with the author can you?
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lol this is unbelievable. Human life is astounding.
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Wiz posted:Okay, let me phrase your question for you: Is there in fact mechanics for the consumption of what alien races are and are not vegan in the next Stellaris update? I have no idea if you guys included "Races eating races" as one of the mechanics in the expansion, as one of the evil things you can do, with some simple checks that similar races don't like eating similar food, similar to religion. So that a plantoid neighbor would be upset if you turned on the cannibalism policy and started eating plantoid pops that you have vs a fungoid, that may not care as much, because you are going cross species.
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