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89 posted:i posted this in the PS4 thread, but this might be a better place to post it. Why are you having the system in a different room?
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Because he has another TV there.
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Feb 6, 2017 17:23
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I didn't consider how far the PS4 controller might extend out. So I think I'm just gonna move the PS4 in my bedroom since I have my Xbox One in the living room and try that out.
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So, uh, all the people who bought a Vizio smart tv? They were spying on you and selling off the data.quote:What did Vizio know about what was going on in the privacy of consumers’ homes? On a second-by-second basis, Vizio collected a selection of pixels on the screen that it matched to a database of TV, movie, and commercial content. What’s more, Vizio identified viewing data from cable or broadband service providers, set-top boxes, streaming devices, DVD players, and over-the-air broadcasts. Add it all up and Vizio captured as many as 100 billion data points each day from millions of TVs. Bolded the scary part. They were selling targeted data to third parties.
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sam16 posted:So, uh, all the people who bought a Vizio smart tv? They were spying on you and selling off the data. Well I was considering a vizio 4k but gently caress that I guess. Anyways for content I saw this Toshiba while perusing Best Buy today. Should I keep looking to see if there's a better 4K TV in the $300-400 range or should I go ahead and snatch this?
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Didn't LG and Samsung do similar things with viewing data? I am NOT saying it is fine for vizio because a bunch of companies do/did it, that is messed up. I could swear there was something where there was a samsung backdoor for their teleconference capable tvs and people were advised the camera could just be on whenever and they'd never know (also true for pretty much anything with a camera on it these days sadly).
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Feb 7, 2017 03:36
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I'm pretty sure the Smart Interactivity=TV spyware thing came up years ago now. Watching the uproar happen over it, I'm having a real deja vu moment.
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Feb 7, 2017 03:41
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The big difference in Vizio's case is that the data wasn't deidentified before handing it off to a third party. That's a gigantic no-no and the primary reason why they got fined as much as they did.
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Feb 7, 2017 03:44
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Do we even know if they made more money than they were fined?
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GreenNight posted:Do we even know if they made more money than they were fined? You know this answer in your heart.
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GreenNight posted:Do we even know if they made more money than they were fined? Uh, a $2.2 million fine is a drop in the bucket compared to money Vizo makes.
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I meant the money made from selling the data, not their gross profits.
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I'm thinking about an upgrade on my five year old 50" 1080p LED. I'm not au fait with what's current, except knowing that the PS4 Pro (which I don't have yet but am thinking about for Nioh, among others) does good work with TVs that support 4k and HDR. About HDR, is that a technology that's implicit to 4k TVs or do I have to specifically search for it? Also, is OLED somehow worth the massive markup over LED panels? I haven't actually gone and looked at any TVs yet, mind, I'm just thinking about it ATM.
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Ciaphas posted:I'm thinking about an upgrade on my five year old 50" 1080p LED. I'm not au fait with what's current, except knowing that the PS4 Pro (which I don't have yet but am thinking about for Nioh, among others) does good work with TVs that support 4k and HDR. About HDR, is that a technology that's implicit to 4k TVs or do I have to specifically search for it? Once you go true black, etc. You'll known pretty much instantaneously if it's worth it when you look at LCD and OLED side-by-side. The OLED black is perfect and the off-axis black and contrast is great compared to the other thread sweetheart, the KS8000. It's going to be a personal call based on the value of that difference. I own the KS8000 but wish I had an OLED. Being a cheap gently caress, I just suppress the disappointment whenever I see dark gray instead of black, or the contrast washes out near the sides when I'm not directly in front of the TV. Another way to put it is that I think the difference is worth it while my wife does not, and here we are.
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sam16 posted:So, uh, all the people who bought a Vizio smart tv? They were spying on you and selling off the data. The really scary part is all the dumbass comments on that post
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Ciaphas posted:
If you care about picture quality? Absolutely. If you don't care about picture quality? Absolutely.
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uwaeve posted:Once you go true black, etc. You'll known pretty much instantaneously if it's worth it when you look at LCD and OLED side-by-side. The OLED black is perfect and the off-axis black and contrast is great compared to the other thread sweetheart, the KS8000. It's going to be a personal call based on the value of that difference. I own the KS8000 but wish I had an OLED. Being a cheap gently caress, I just suppress the disappointment whenever I see dark gray instead of black, or the contrast washes out near the sides when I'm not directly in front of the TV. If the KS8000 series is the thread darling for non-OLEDs, what is it for OLEDs? I might stop at Fry's this weekend and do a side by side. I know they have the KS8000, at least.
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LG is the only OLED company currently so it's whether you want a curved or flat screen LG
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Short notes on the LG 2016 models. All are 4k. Widely considered to have the same picture quality and all support HDR. All 3 come in 55" and 65" B series: flat. C series: curved, 3d capable E series: flat, 3d capable, thinner. Part numbers are OLEDXXY6P where XX = size and Y = B,C,or E. There's also a G series but it's super pricey.
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Anyone ever buy from this place? http://www.ebuyusa.com/prodinfo.phtml?id=2880& LG OLED65E6P - ~$1800 Edit: nevermind, people have had issues with them: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/197-lcd-flat-panel-great-found-deals/2196937-ebuyusa-2.html GreenNight fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Feb 9, 2017 01:30
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Thanks, Fry's has the LG OLED55B6P as well, so I can do a compare and contrast to see whether OLED is worth $700. I'm guessing not, frankly, because the only things I do on the TV are PS4, Wii U and the odd PC game over Steam Link. Barely ever watch movies or TV anymore.
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In that case, I think you might be better off waiting to see what some of the 1080p Sony TVs with HDR might bring. Might be further savings since you don't really need 4k.
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Endless Mike posted:LG is the only OLED company currently so it's whether you want a curved or flat screen LG LG Display (technically a sub / separate company from LG) also sells OLED panels to Panasonic and Sony now So you don't have a choice of panels but you do have a choice of what badge is on the front.
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To my knowledge there's no Sony or Panasonic OLED TVs you can purchase today.
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Panasonic launched the CZ950 / Viera CZ952 in mid 2015, but you're right that the Sony Bravia A1E isn't something you can drive home with until later this year.
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Feb 9, 2017 03:24
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There are, at best, a handful of posters in the this thread who are willing and able to pay for the Sony OLED when it comes out. Just so everyone is prepared.
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I don't think they've announced pricing yet. The Z9D is still their flagship though, so I think it will slot under that. I would consider the Sony for superior motion processing so I wouldn't have to worry that every loving streamer box outputs 60p for some reason. But the lack of 3d is a no go for me. The C6 3d is so.loving.good. Better than any theater experience. Gobsmacking good to the point where I've increased my 3d library by about 60% since I bought it. I will consider buying the 3d regular bluray over the UHD version at this point if the content warrants it. Watched Kubo and the Two Strings in 3d last Friday and it was just captivating.
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There will be no 3D TV's at all in the next few years.
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GreenNight posted:There will be no 3D TV's at all in the next few years. Likely, but I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts.
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bull3964 posted:I don't think they've announced pricing yet. The Z9D is still their flagship though, so I think it will slot under that. It hasn't been possible to get a straight answer out of Sony. Some of their representatives have said the Z9D is the flagship, others have painted a picture more like this:  I think there is some attempting to protect pride and sales of existing Z9D stock going on. It is true that the Z9D still comes in the largest sizes and delivers the highest brightness levels, but only OLED delivers OLED contrast/black levels.
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Yeah, I don't think Sony wants to give up crowing about peak brightness anytime soon, so the Z9D is going to feature prominently. I just think they had a sudden realization that they aren't going to be able to make the tech much cheaper soon, so they need OLED to fill the premium but not stratospheric price range.
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I'd guess they'll come out around $2500 street for the 55", $3500-4000 for the 65". Wouldn't shock me if it was more, though.
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$2500 is the price that Samsung just announced for their QLED 55" display. They're loving nuts. That's $500 more than the street on a 55" B6.
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QLED has some interesting characteristics; I don't dig the weird pentile subpixel arrangement they've gone for. Some of the people who have seen it reported a sparkling/aliasing sort of effect on moving objects. Maybe you'll never ever see it from couch distance though.
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No matter how they want to spin it, it's still just an LCD. It's also old tech. My 2013 model W900A used the same fundamental tech, just in an edge lit configuration. They just decided to give it a new name to confuse the market when people are comparison shopping OLED.
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bull3964 posted:No matter how they want to spin it, it's still just an LCD. It's also old tech. My 2013 model W900A used the same fundamental tech, just in an edge lit configuration.  QLED is better. Is two more!
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I might buy a OLED 65" B6P tonight... It is the right choice ... right? Edit: Ugggg. The Sony 930D eroded my confidence. Time to think some more. dexefiend fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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For what it's worth, I got the OLED 65" C6P, and have had it for a few weeks now. I'm still putting things together in terms of the entertainment center, so I haven't watched a ton on it, but it is an amazing TV. Got it from Cleveland Plasma, and the whole process with them was good. The thing that really swayed me to go with the C6 rather than the B6 is the fact that the chipset in the B6 isn't the same as the other models. So when the HDR Game update that came out a bit ago, the B6 didn't get that update at the same time. Like was said in this thread when I was looking into TVs a month and a half ago, the black is amazing on it, the curve is barely noticeable, and it's just such a great picture. I highly recommend it. Can't wait to get the entertainment center and surround sound set up and really enjoy it. I'm not much of a 3D fan, but I'm looking forward to at least giving it a try with this TV.
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Dumb questions I just thought of and haven't reflected on, can you save significantly by going for 1080p TVs or is their era coming to a close (and 4K common enough that there's no effective savings anymore)? Is it still possible for those to have HDR support? (ed: answer seems to be no) The more I think the more I realize I have almost no use for 4K, but I've seen the difference between non-HDR and HDR and that looks quite spiffy. Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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