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How is this "inconclusive" and they took their drat sweet time in getting it wrong. Great job refs/NHL. Hawks won eventually, but still. https://www.nhl.com/video/situation-room-chi-vs-min/t-277781830/c-49239303
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I have a feeling something really dumb is going to happen, like Dallas is going to trade for Pavelec.
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ehnus posted:I miss Lou Unforgivable of this stupid franchise to have traded him
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JawKnee posted:Unforgivable of this stupid franchise to have traded him Considering his contract, no not really.
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Feb 9, 2017 08:09
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Considering his contract, no not really. you have terrible opinions
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Furnaceface posted:I have a feeling something really dumb is going to happen, like Dallas is going to trade for Pavelec. Won't happen because, you see, they are happy with the goaltending situation. Though I hear Rask is a bum now. Maybe a goalie swap, Sweeney? Hell, why don't we take the guy from king of the hill and you can have the sabres guy while we're at it.
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Emetic Hustler posted:How is this "inconclusive" and they took their drat sweet time in getting it wrong. Great job refs/NHL. Hawks won eventually, but still. The biggest argument against reviews is how goddamn bad the league is at reviewing anything.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Considering his contract, no not really. Yeah if they still had that it would really be holding them back right now.
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grack posted:Adam Oates NOT. loving. FUNNY.
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Suspicious posted:Also way to have no memory, thread. Remember last season? "lol you're undefeated and you're complaining!!" and then the Habs didn't make the playoff because without a .935+ Carey Price, this team is nothing. Hey at least you have the other team in the Atlantic with a positive goal differential. That's good, right?
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iospace posted:Random thought: the NHL should ban back to back games where the travel time is > 4 hours via /car/, maybe 5. No US/Canada back to backs either. When I used to gamble on hockey, back-to-backs were one of the things I always kept an eye on. Especially when you're looking at 3 games in 4 nights or maybe 4 games in 6. Double especially when one or both is one the road.
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Hakstol says Ghost is in the lineup tonight, no word on who gets scratched I will be at the Tower Theater seeing an NXT show so I won't see it, but progress nonetheless
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Feb 9, 2017 18:47
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Apparently Price, Weber and MaxPac had a meeting with Bergevin since last game, at the GM's request. Coaching staff was not invited. Please please please please please please please please please please please please
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Feb 9, 2017 18:59
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They're planning a surprise party to celebrate how good he has been for them.
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The GM wanted to talk to them about how bad their work ethic is, and how they need to start looking to Emelin as a role model.
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Duke Chin posted:NOT. Really? I don't think so, because every time I even consider the idea of Oates as the Bruins' coach I start giggling a little bit. Like, right now. Right now I'm just giggling a little bit.
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I realize I'm opening a can of worms here, but what exactly is the problem with Therrien? Aside from last year (which Price missed most of) his point percentage in his 2nd stint with the Habs hasn't been below .610 for the season. Is there some major malfunction that I'm missing? Sure he seems to play favourites, sideline youngsters and harbour grudges, but what coach doesn't do that? Who would be a better replacement than him? I feel like he's a decent to good coach that has perhaps had the benefit of coaching the Habs through a positive period in their history, but overall hasn't done anything to actively harm the team in a significant way. I get that Emelin sucks, but Babcock still gives Polak a regular shift and AV can't get enough of Dan Girardi and they're widely regarded as the best there is. Every coach has their big tough crap defencemen they can't stop salivating over.
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ThinkTank posted:I realize I'm opening a can of worms here, but what exactly is the problem with Therrien? Aside from last year (which Price missed most of) his point percentage in his 2nd stint with the Habs hasn't been below .610 for the season. Is there some major malfunction that I'm missing? Sure he seems to play favourites, sideline youngsters and harbour grudges, but what coach doesn't do that? Who would be a better replacement than him? His weird treatment of Subban was a big knock against him, but now that isn't a problem!
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ThinkTank posted:I realize I'm opening a can of worms here, but what exactly is the problem with Therrien? Aside from last year (which Price missed most of) his point percentage in his 2nd stint with the Habs hasn't been below .610 for the season. Is there some major malfunction that I'm missing? Sure he seems to play favourites, sideline youngsters and harbour grudges, but what coach doesn't do that? Who would be a better replacement than him? PK Subban
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His game plan entirely relies on Carey Price (the team is regularly outshot by 50% even when winning). He only stopped doing dump and chase last season then started doing it again. He chased Subban out of town. He's not Willie D bad but he's bad.
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Feb 9, 2017 19:27
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Therrien is good at coaching trap and counter hockey which given the Habs' lackluster roster is probably what they should be playing. Their depth is poo poo. Not sure anything magical would happen with a new coach. They should be a shell up kind of team since their only real advantage is Price. Compared to other elite teams their forwards/d are quite lacking.
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:Apparently Price, Weber and MaxPac had a meeting with Bergevin since last game, at the GM's request. Bergevin probably just wanted to make sure they were on board with him giving Therrien a 5 year, $5 mil per year extension. ThinkTank posted:Who would be a better replacement than him? Well, Boston did just fire Stanley Cup winner Claude Julien, and Julien can speak French, so... 
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Therrein ran divine victim Jiri Sekac out of town, a player who played the right way, who busted out of the NHL at age 23 after being unable to make the cut on the Arizona Coyotes.
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ThinkTank posted:I realize I'm opening a can of worms here, but what exactly is the problem with Therrien? Aside from last year (which Price missed most of) his point percentage in his 2nd stint with the Habs hasn't been below .610 for the season. Is there some major malfunction that I'm missing? Sure he seems to play favourites, sideline youngsters and harbour grudges, but what coach doesn't do that? Who would be a better replacement than him? You're coming at this from the wrong way. AV and Babcock also suck.
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AV is annoying sometimes but I still am happy he's the coach of the team I root for.
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Aphrodite posted:You're coming at this from the wrong way. ACAB, All Coaches Are Bad
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ThinkTank posted:I realize I'm opening a can of worms here, but what exactly is the problem with Therrien? Aside from last year (which Price missed most of) his point percentage in his 2nd stint with the Habs hasn't been below .610 for the season. Is there some major malfunction that I'm missing? Sure he seems to play favourites, sideline youngsters and harbour grudges, but what coach doesn't do that? Who would be a better replacement than him? His primary offensive strategies seem to either be dump puck at blue line or stretch pass from their own zone to offensive blue line. No exceptions. His only zone clearing strategy is bouncing the puck off the glass, and doesn't even have a backup if the other team gets wise. The possession numbers are north of 50 in 5v5 all situations, but they drop like a rock once you adjust for leading by at least one. It's really irritating to see them lay off the pressure in the third, and even Capuano got a ton of poo poo for that. It's not just Emelin that signifies bad personnel decisions. Beaulieu was contributing plenty on the 1st power play with Weber, and the 2nd penalty kill with Petry. That didn't stop Therrien from kicking him off and replacing him with Markov the moment he came back. Then there's Andrew Shaw, who hasn't had a healthy scratch despite having an ill timed period every other game and causes the Habs to blow it. Also, I got to see Weber, Emelin, and Nesterov take the ice for a 5 on 3 in the Colorado game. It went about as well as you could expect.
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Matt Zerella posted:AV is annoying sometimes but I still am happy he's the coach of the team I root for. I worry AV's evaluation of defensemen is bad and his system might not be the best for the defense he's enamored with but he gets a lot out of his forwards even if he seems to also purposefully refuse to play the advanced stats game
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Pornographic Memory posted:ACAB, All Coaches Are Bad Im pretty drat happy with Q, even with his weird line blender tendencies. 
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Furnaceface posted:Im pretty drat happy with Q, even with his weird line blender tendencies. i didnt literally mean all coaches were bad, only to give a name to the mindset
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I liked Paul MacLean. He coached a fun style of play. I think the issue was having a garbage team. Really that's what it comes down to for most teams. You can have a coach who extracts every ounce of win out of a garbage or mediocre team by relying entirely on defense, or you can have a coach who powers forward trying to get them to play in a manner that is fun to watch. Then you have coaches like Capuano who manage to extract every ounce of loss out of good teams. Or Hitchcock who always coached like his team was nothing but garbage pail grinders.
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Therrien had a puck moving Norris winner and he had him dump the puck in or clear it off the glass. He bad. Habs are no contenders but they're better than boring lovely way he has them playing.
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I generally liked Peter Laviolette and I think he was more done in by the absolute mess of contracts that the Flyers roster was at the time than anything.
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The Guy Carbonneau Habs were entertaining though whether that was because of him or their roster I don't know. But that 07-08 team did a lot of pretty passing plays and their powerplay was always amusing to watch.
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Ban all coaches, instead players show up an 30 minutes before puck drop (except that one guy who always shows up late and doesn't hit the ice until after the game starts) to get dressed then go out and play some hockey. Not like coaches do anything except yell at people when they mess up, who needs that stress?
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xzzy posted:Ban all coaches, instead players show up an 30 minutes before puck drop (except that one guy who always shows up late and doesn't hit the ice until after the game starts) to get dressed then go out and play some hockey. I would 100% watch a week of NHL played like a beer league
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DJExile posted:I would 100% watch a week of NHL played like a beer league
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Pornographic Memory posted:ACAB, All Coaches Are Bad My team went from Adam gOatse.cx to Barry Trotz. Barry Trotz is good and not bad.
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Adam Oates is firmly in the Capuano mold of "guy who has no business being in the job he's in". Some of the coaches Murray hired are also in that mold. Dave Cameron was one, but my favorite Ottawa example was probably Craig Hartsburg. gently caress he was terrible.
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ThinkTank posted:I realize I'm opening a can of worms here, but what exactly is the problem with Therrien? Aside from last year (which Price missed most of) his point percentage in his 2nd stint with the Habs hasn't been below .610 for the season. Is there some major malfunction that I'm missing? Sure he seems to play favourites, sideline youngsters and harbour grudges, but what coach doesn't do that? Who would be a better replacement than him? There is a view among Habs fans that the team is poorly coached for what it is and more specifically for what it has been. Carey's prime is being wasted on a team that either isn't good enough, or isn't being used to it's potential. Therrien: - Has historically been a very "defensive" coach where the aim of his game was to make it so that the players were never too far away to defend properly and also to make it so that the Habs defence was focusing on bad angle and distance shots. This stymied a lot of offence, led to dump & chase and a poo poo load of shots at Carey (often from bad angles and distance, but better teams could get in under the defence and when they started scrambling it all started to come apart a bit). - Only just started getting decent possession numbers (it started last year but Carey got injured and the team decided to take a massive dump on the ice in unison) - Only just started to get his "I can't believe it's not dump and chase!" gameplan running (this may be because Danault and Galchenyuk are better puck moving top 6 centers than the Habs have previously relied on - the start of last year where Galchenyuk was at center also featured this) - Still reverts to bad parts of the game plan when under pressure (example: the team has a tendency to enter what I call "icing cycle" where they don't even try a controlled exit - this has been less bad of late) - Often has bad or at least sub-optimal lines, and his D-pairings are frequently disgusting - When under pressure often resorts to line blendering meaning that the first line center could end up between Shaw and De La Rose on the third line for uncomfortably long stretches. - Doesn't seem to know how to use the best talent Montreal has right now in Alex Galchenyuk Ginette Reno posted:Therrien is good at coaching trap and counter hockey which given the Habs' lackluster roster is probably what they should be playing. Their depth is poo poo. Not sure anything magical would happen with a new coach. They should be a shell up kind of team since their only real advantage is Price. Compared to other elite teams their forwards/d are quite lacking. The team is not as bad as it's made out to be. Galchenyuk and Danault look like decent top 6 centers, Gallagher, Radulov and Pachioretty are definitely top-6 wingers. The third line is pretty good for a third line, even if Shaw does like taking poorly timed penalties. The fourth line is massively underrated (even if it is very streaky). The individual D-men are good although their pairings leave a lot to be desired (especially Weber-Emelin, my god that pylon fest is sickening). It's no the Pens team he failed with, but it's not as bad as it's often made out to be. TL;DR: He's bad with personnel, he's been bad tactically (but seems to be getting better) and most importantly he's spent years making a bad impression coaching a boring team to play their absolute most boringest and relying on his goaltender to be super human. He's far from the worst coach, but that .610 w/l is more on the skill of the middle-6, the Subban/Markov pairing (which was disgustingly good for a disgustingly long time) and Carey Price. This is the result of the attempt I made at that stupid essay. Which turned out to be the most boring, lifeless thing anyone ever could have written since I am a science person and I don't know how to write essays properly, only reports. Kilza posted:Well, Boston did just fire Stanley Cup winner Claude Julien, and Julien can speak French, so... Fun fact, he's already been in Montreal. And I don't think he's ever coming back. Who knows, maybe we'll do a weird thing where we'll go Therrien, Julien, a bunch of people, Therrien, Julien. On the report that the Team Leaders had a meeting with Bergevin: This is apparently year 5 of Bergevin's 5 year plan and Molson has told him to go all-in. He met with Therrien privately before he met with the team leaders so I highly doubt he wants to fire Therrien. It's almost certainly a "okay, I need a voice from inside the dressing room, what do you think I need to get?" Schlesische fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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