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An example of a full map, wrapped: e: The sharper the angle, the better the ground looks... but I worry for playability/readability once tall terrain sprites get added. e2: The more I think about this, the less I want to do it. There are technical complications. Perhaps as a luxury feature, later on, but not for v1. e3: I mean I could always say "gently caress it" and do a full 3d map and just render to a texture. That'd solve the angle problem handily. It'd be a very different program though. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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Though of course now I just had to figure out how to export from a camera... because it'll actually be useful.  Mmmm, crisp. This looks like all the other pics I've been posting, except this time I'm not cropping a screenshot of my screen in the editor - this is exported to a .png file (Unity doesn't even do .tga exporting by default because .tga is SO OLD). This is actually going to be super useful, since it's easier to spawn Unity sprites for scatter terrain and render the whole thing to a texture than it is to manually paste sprites over the underlying ground texture. Would also allow some incredibly easy modifications for "tilting" the camera. Of course, it's always possible that some other horrible issue will rear it's ugly head and I'll have to do it the hard way anyway. 
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Corbeau posted:Experimenting with perspective. This isn't an actual texture change, more a mock-up, but this sort of thing is what I think of for a kinda isometric view: I think it doesn't really need to have a perfect vanishing point so long as you create a kind of orthogonal projection for it, similar to SimCity 4 style graphics:  As a point of comparison, you can look at one of the fully hand-drawn maps from Dom 4:  Where it doesn't really have a consistent perspective at all, but it FEELS like an isometric projection because the mountains and trees are drawn in side view, seemingly covering up things behind them.
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Straight export from the program to imgur: I think this is going to work. Will need the right sprites for trees and mountains, but...
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Does anyone know the mechanics for vampire freespawn for the Vampie Queen chassis? I just finished a disastrous game with LA Ulm and never saw any freespawn.
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you get a tiny chance per candle to summon a troop vampire every turn
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I gotta say, the isometric-based map looks way more dominions-y than the original one. Make that a high priority for v2.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:53
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this looks good and the game does not need any more dumb art in it. provinces being fully flat and colour coded is better than some artsy garbage with drawn in trees or wahtever
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violent sex idiot posted:this looks good and the game does not need any more dumb art in it. provinces being fully flat and colour coded is better than some artsy garbage with drawn in trees or wahtever Your opinion is Bad and Wrong, but I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to have an option that generates a map and never applies art.
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Warning: programmer art ahead! Placed by hand in the Unity editor rather than procedurally, and only in a single forest province, and with a dash-off sprite, and with only a single sprite, but I think it proves the technical concept.
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And now with algorithmic placement and wrapping, albeit quite primitive (and still with eye-searing neon trees): Definitely proves the concept imo. It's not particularly slow, either. e: Still have to put border lines on another layer so they're drawn over the trees. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Feb 9, 2017 00:06
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Maybe thin them out a bit.
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Really? Well, perhaps. I'm playing around quite a bit with size, color, and density. Plus it'd look better with a decent sprite. 
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They're going to have unit sprites in front of them. Less busy would make sense to me.
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This more like what you're thinking? I'm kinda trying to keep Peliwyr in mind. e: Higher resolution:  e2: Even less density: 
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Actually, I think that's more distracting and harder to parse. The dense style looks good to me and feels very readable, except for forests bordering each other needing to be clearly delineated, but then the way they flow into each other suits the naturalistic look of the province borders.
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Feb 9, 2017 01:30
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Yeah, looking at those options, reducing the numbers doesn't help. It loses distinction. Do the whole thing as little wooden statuettes like a classy eurogame.
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The darker colored trees were good.
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Still feeling my way around the numbers.  e: I definitely like the darker ground in forests. Will keep that in mind when it comes to generating the ground texture. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Feb 9, 2017 02:04
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Corbeau posted:Still feeling my way around the numbers. This is starting to look like it has the potential to look seriously good! Darker ground in forests is good, so are the more dense trees compared to sparse trees.
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Corbeau posted:Still feeling my way around the numbers. Can you redraw the borders after the trees are populated? That should fix the issue with borders disappearing.
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Corbeau posted:
this is the one
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Sloppy Milkshake posted:this is the one yeah, it's really coming together
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that looks really really bad and instead you should just use flat colours
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violent sex idiot posted:that looks really really bad and instead you should just use flat colours It's exploring the concept at the most basic level with placeholder programmer art you insufferable twitwad. Like, jesus, the default mapgen is pixel vomit, why are you making GBS threads on someone for attempting to do better than that? I will say that a straight 2-D map trying to ape an isometric view makes for a somewhat jarring perspective. It mostly works, but sometimes you look at it and can't help noticing that the 'background' isn't actually receding anywhere.
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people don't ever take jsoh seriously for any reason whatsoever
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Voyager I posted:It's exploring the concept at the most basic level with placeholder programmer art you insufferable twitwad. every part of the thing other than the trees is very good. adding the terrain pictures is unnecessary i think and everything looks better and cleaner with there just being a colour code for each terrain
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Actually putting some sprites there really does make it look isometric rather than just squished. If users can edit the sprites there could be all sorts of styles. (including no art at all for that one weirdo) Dark ground - dense forest definitely looks the best so far. A dense forest like that looks more like a background rather than separate objects. High contrast, distinct separate objects should be reserved for stuff the eye needs to actually pick out. Elukka fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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I vote neon trees, highly artifacted and densely populated.
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I vote always do the opposite of what jsoh says to do (unless he catches on and starts trying reverse psychology)
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Nuclearmonkee posted:I vote neon trees, highly artifacted and densely populated.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:I vote neon trees, highly artifacted and densely populated.
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Border layer implemented:
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Corbeau posted:Border layer implemented: looks like it's having trouble with rivers behind trees
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ChickenWing posted:looks like it's having trouble with rivers behind trees Nah, that's by design; the actual rivers will be wider, preventing trees from obscuring them. All of the terrain type transition borders will also be different enough to not require an explicit border line. Which is why I'm drawing borders only between identical province types atm: 
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violent sex idiot posted:every part of the thing other than the trees is very good. adding the terrain pictures is unnecessary i think and everything looks better and cleaner with there just being a colour code for each terrain I have a tool someone made that takes in a dominions map, and outputs a graph of circles connected by lines, representing the provinces and their connections. You can replace the map tga with it and play dominions as the purely abstract strategy game it was always meant to be. You might like it.
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Scale test: I believe this is what the map would look like under ingame scale, using fort sprites for comparison. (Also, forts as start locations - I had to manually figure it out, but it's amusingly not that hard if you know the exact code.) Scale looks roughly correct imo. Can't do much smaller, don't think I'd want any larger.
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corbeau what you are doing is insanely good and cool
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Ok so I wanted to a high astral pretender and someone suggested Sceleria. How do I play them? Reanimate with priests, communion up for skellispam in battles? The elite human fighters look good but uh, old age is really lovely.
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Millions and millions of skeletons, though with priest reanimation you often hardly need combat skelespam. Their sacreds aren't bad for early expansion, either, and if you take a blood bless then you might get extra mileage out of them later when someone evo-spams your undead horde.
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