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“Time zones!” —The FBI, probably e: If only the FBI had snipers this good.
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Feb 8, 2017 01:05
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so do you think the bundys are screwed this time or will they escape justice again I don't think they're going to make it: the judge is REALLY really smart, cool and good. http://www.nvd.uscourts.gov/bio/gloriamnavarro.aspx
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because if they do, they will do this poo poo again and people(who arnt treasons sacks of poo poo) might die.
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GlyphGryph posted:The FBI seems really bad at their jobs
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TotalLossBrain posted:Looks like the FBI has some explaining to do, seeing how they arrested Ehmer on 1/27 and showed the court a warrant dated 1/28. What's your source for all of this?
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I'm pretty sure I saw in on oregonlive. One of the regular Bundy reporter types tweeted a link to it a week or two ago. The fact that Ehmer was busted with 'Friends of the Malheur NWR' checks and credit cards has been known for a while. Edit: There's this, for starters. Double edit: Here's the other piece TotalLossBrain has issued a correction as of 04:33 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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2 of the first trial's jurors spoke with OPB, it's airing now: http://www.opb.org/radio/programs/thinkoutloud/segment/portland-landlords-profiling-bills-malheur-refuge-trial-jurors// i'm sure there will be a recording up by the time it ends bellows lugosi has issued a correction as of 22:58 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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ansel autisms posted:2 of the first trial's jurors spoke with OPB, it's airing now: http://www.opb.org/radio/programs/thinkoutloud/segment/portland-landlords-profiling-bills-malheur-refuge-trial-juror/ Your link isn't working, unfortunately.
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Discendo Vox posted:Your link isn't working, unfortunately. http://www.opb.org/radio/programs/thinkoutloud/segment/portland-landlords-profiling-bills-malheur-refuge-trial-jurors/
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Thanks! Yeah, this is going to be interesting. Painful, but interesting.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:04
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whoops! I caught a few minutes with one juror who was convinced that Medenbach truly believed in adverse possession so he wasn't guilty of stealing the truck because he truly believed he did no wrong
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ansel autisms posted:whoops! Does that count as an insanity plea?
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Hitler believed that what he was doing was right.
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Actual interview up https://soundcloud.com/thinkoutloudopb/malheur-refuge-trial-jurors
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ansel autisms posted:Actual interview up Realtalk, ansel autisms. I'm having a pretty good day so far. Do I want to listen to this?
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Discendo Vox posted:Realtalk, ansel autisms. I'm having a pretty good day so far. Do I want to listen to this? I listened to it. I stopped after one interview and that was of the juror who got kicked. if I listened to the chuckleduck who got him kicked I would have broke something.
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Feb 15, 2017 00:30
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Agean90 posted:I listened to it. I stopped after one interview and that was of the juror who got kicked. if I listened to the chuckleduck who got him kicked I would have broke something. Quoting mostly to preserve "chuckleduck" due to my own ties to the University of Oregon.
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Discendo Vox posted:Realtalk, ansel autisms. I'm having a pretty good day so far. Do I want to listen to this? I could only take about 5 minutes, jumping in halfway through during the broadcast
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Apparently it's 4 (the moron) and 11 (the one guilty vote who got booted)
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ansel autisms posted:Apparently it's 4 (the moron) and 11 (the one guilty vote who got booted) Agean90 posted:I listened to it. I stopped after one interview and that was of the juror who got kicked. if I listened to the chuckleduck who got him kicked I would have broke something. Juror 4's interview/argument was that the prosecutors blew the charges, and that they would have convicted any lesser charges.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Quoting mostly to preserve "chuckleduck" due to my own ties to the University of Oregon. why is that word in autocorrect why
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Agean90 posted:why is that word in autocorrect Apple always corrects "gently caress" to "duck"
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CrazyLittle posted:Juror 4's interview/argument was that the prosecutors blew the charges, and that they would have convicted any lesser charges. What was his actual argument? Why would "lesser" charges have been valid?
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Discendo Vox posted:What was his actual argument? Why would "lesser" charges have been valid? that "true believers" don't run afoul of the laws as instructed by the court
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CrazyLittle posted:that "true believers" don't run afoul of the laws as instructed by the court Ah yes, I do recall the doctrine of "ignorance of the law means you are right".
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There is now video of Mumford getting tazed at the end of the first trial.
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Discendo Vox posted:What was his actual argument? Why would "lesser" charges have been valid? His claim was that the court instructed the jury that one of the elements of the conspiracy charges was that people must be taking deliberate action with the stated intention of disrupting the federal officials. The conspiracy between yokel haram was only about "adverse possession" and they all claimed they never actually intended to disrupt or interfere with the federal officers. This means they couldn't be guilty of conspiracy to impede a federal officer.
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TotalLossBrain posted:There is now video of Mumford getting tazed at the end of the first trial. This looks like he was causing a scene and one of the officers tried to pull him away and he tried to yank his arms back from him. So he was physically resisting from the start. After a few of them grab him, he's still fighting with them.
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^^^^ A trial attorney causing a scene? Well I never. What I cannot tell is what caused the guy in the white to walk in front of him and what caused him to put hads on the attorney. TotalLossBrain posted:There is now video of Mumford getting tazed at the end of the first trial. I hope that has better resolutiin somewhere. I don't see anything that justifies the officer's (? Dude in the white) use of force, but without audio or clearer video that doesn't show poo poo.
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We live in a time of inexpensive, small 4k 60fps cameras. And yet, whenever the local PD post any kind of security camera photo of someone they're after, it's inevitably 320x200 and grainy as gently caress.
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Feb 16, 2017 01:32
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Mr. Nice! posted:His claim was that the court instructed the jury that one of the elements of the conspiracy charges was that people must be taking deliberate action with the stated intention of disrupting the federal officials. The conspiracy between yokel haram was only about "adverse possession" and they all claimed they never actually intended to disrupt or interfere with the federal officers. This means they couldn't be guilty of conspiracy to impede a federal officer. That would make sense if "adverse posession" were a thing that weren't defined as "disrupt and prevent the use of a location by others". But for them it's a magic word that lets them get what they want. They've drank the kool-aid.
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TotalLossBrain posted:We live in a time of inexpensive, small 4k 60fps cameras. And yet, whenever the local PD post any kind of security camera photo of someone they're after, it's inevitably 320x200 and grainy as gently caress. Ever tried to store all of that video?
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hobbesmaster posted:Ever tried to store all of that video? True, but hard drives are getting cheaper. It might take 375MB to store a one minute 4K video or 3.75GB for 10 minutes, but that comes out to be 540GB for 24 hours. 1080p at 30fps gives you 216GB at 24 hours. Of course, the thing is, even with falling costs, upgrading security cams is probably still very expensive.
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hobbesmaster posted:Ever tried to store all of that video? Especially if it has to be streamed to a remote location since having bodycams store footage directly/only on the officer is a great way to ensure every bit of footage that shows cops in a negative light ends up missing or damaged and unrecoverable so I guess we just have to believe the cop because cops would never lie. 
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Discendo Vox posted:That would make sense if "adverse posession" were a thing that weren't defined as "disrupt and prevent the use of a location by others". But for them it's a magic word that lets them get what they want. They've drank the kool-aid. I never said that #4's reasoning was sound, but rather was just presenting his thoughts.
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hobbesmaster posted:Ever tried to store all of that video? lets just put it all on a giant cloud-server data farm hosted by Google's parent company where the NSA can review it whenever they need to
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Laphroaig posted:lets just put it all on a giant cloud-server data farm hosted by Google's parent company where the NSA can review it whenever they need to Change NSA to FBI, and I would be 100% on-board since I think of police oversight as one of the FBI's duties.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I never said that #4's reasoning was sound, but rather was just presenting his thoughts. Sorry, I'm just having a bad day.
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Discendo Vox posted:Sorry, I'm just having a bad day. - America for the last 26 days.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Especially if it has to be streamed to a remote location since having bodycams store footage directly/only on the officer is a great way to ensure every bit of footage that shows cops in a negative light ends up missing or damaged and unrecoverable so I guess we just have to believe the cop because cops would never lie. Pretty much this, if you want interactions with the authorities to be recorded in a manner where the recording will be accessible after the fact you'd better make your own and save it to the cloud on the fly.  at anyone who thought body cams would make a drat bit of difference with police misconduct.
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