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There are only like 7 ballots for the MMA awards, get some votes in, please? Thread
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Feb 10, 2017 00:00
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I became a Bisping fan when he avenged the untimely death of one of my favorite fighters R.I.P Chris Weidman, who at this point unfortunately may stay dead
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Feb 10, 2017 00:54
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I genuinely thought at one point that Weidman had a shot at retiring undefeated. I thought the same about Ronda. Proving beyond any doubt that I don't know what I'm talking about
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Feb 10, 2017 01:04
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Work Friend Keven posted:Conor pre aldo fight: not that good actually Thank you for finally acknowledging that you cant tell who the better of 2 fighters is by having them fight each other and one easily beating the other
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Feb 10, 2017 01:13
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Conversely I'm saying you can't tell how good they are in relation to each other by what they've done since fighting each other.
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Feb 10, 2017 01:19
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Idk but at this stage I just tend to assume every vaguely successful English athlete is juicing. They're the new Spain.
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Feb 10, 2017 01:20
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Work Friend Keven posted:Conversely I'm saying you can't tell how good they are in relation to each other by what they've done since fighting each other. Well... in that case the only piece of evidence we have, suggests, that Conor mcgregor is much better than Aldo 
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Feb 10, 2017 01:30
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Todd Duffee must also be one of the best fighters in the UFC
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Feb 10, 2017 01:31
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manyak posted:Well... in that case the only piece of evidence we have, suggests, that Conor mcgregor is much better than Aldo Even if Conor beats Aldo 10/10 times that doesn't mean he is a better fighter than Aldo imo. Aldo's run at the top was amazing and Conor has a long way to go before he does something like that. Though I don't agree that Conor is some transcendent being since the Aldo fight now or whatev that dude was saying
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Feb 10, 2017 01:34
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BQTztjDhkkM/
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Feb 10, 2017 01:39
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EmmyOk posted:Even if Conor beats Aldo 10/10 times that doesn't mean he is a better fighter than Aldo imo. Aldo's run at the top was amazing and Conor has a long way to go before he does something like that. I agree im just giving the man Keven a hard time because he usually insists that if 2 guys fight, whoever wins is the better fighter overall, an idea which is very easily disproven
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Feb 10, 2017 01:40
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EmmyOk posted:Aldo's run at the top was amazing and Conor has a long way to go before he does something like that. Does he though?
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Feb 10, 2017 01:41
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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EmmyOk posted:Even if Conor beats Aldo 10/10 times that doesn't mean he is a better fighter than Aldo imo. Aldo's run at the top was amazing and Conor has a long way to go before he does something like that. The alvarez win was really impressive, he managed to lose to Nate Diaz and then beat him less convincingly that non-transcendental beings like Ben Henderson and Joe Stevenson, who I just realised have identically structured names. Dangersim posted:Does he though? Yes
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Feb 10, 2017 01:42
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQmBSh8aRE
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Feb 10, 2017 01:43
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manyak posted:I agree im just giving the man Keven a hard time because he usually insists that if 2 guys fight, whoever wins is the better fighter overall, an idea which is very easily disproven My mistake! Dangersim posted:Does he though? I think so and I bet anything that you wouldn't call Weidman better than Andy!
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Feb 10, 2017 01:47
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EmmyOk posted:My mistake! Certainly not, but other then an all time great finally getting beat I don't think those situations are really all that similar
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Feb 10, 2017 01:49
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I'm not really trying to argue if one is better then the other, just that I don't know if Aldo's reign of dominance is really way more impressive then what conor has done. And I was there for the whole thing.
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Feb 10, 2017 01:52
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LobsterMobster posted:There are only like 7 ballots for the MMA awards, get some votes in, please? nah
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Feb 10, 2017 01:55
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Dangersim posted:I'm not really trying to argue if one is better then the other, just that I don't know if Aldo's reign of dominance is really way more impressive then what conor has done. And I was there for the whole thing. You don't know if going undefeated against the top tier of a division for between 5 and 7 years is really more impressive than two legitimately impressive wins and a whole bunch of 'meh' and extremely qualified wins? (The Aldo knockout and the Alvarez knockout were both amazing, waiting for Mendes' body to shut down and having to wrestle a 12 year old max holloway, less so) Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 01:59
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manyak posted:Well... in that case the only piece of evidence we have, suggests, that Conor mcgregor is much better than Aldo I will admit that Aldo badly mismanaged his energy in assuming that the fight would be over in seconds, resulting in a serious gas out. However, I think given time to adjust and gameplan, he won't make that mistake again.
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Feb 10, 2017 02:01
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Snowman_McK posted:You don't know if going undefeated against the top tier of a division for between 5 and 7 years is really more impressive than two legitimately impressive wins and a whole bunch of 'meh' and extremely qualified wins? (The Aldo knockout and the Alvarez knockout were both amazing) What is an "extremely qualified" win?
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Feb 10, 2017 02:03
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LobsterMobster posted:There are only like 7 ballots for the MMA awards, get some votes in, please? I'm too ill informed. I'm doing you a favor by not filling in a ballot.
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Feb 10, 2017 02:03
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Work Friend Keven posted:I will admit that Aldo badly mismanaged his energy in assuming that the fight would be over in seconds, resulting in a serious gas out. However, I think given time to adjust and gameplan, he won't make that mistake again. I think that if Aldo really put his mind to it and transcended, like Conor, he could go on to win an unconvincing decision over the man that soundly beat him the first time.
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Feb 10, 2017 02:03
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Dangersim posted:What is an "extremely qualified" win? A man who took the fight on less than two weeks notice gassing out.
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Feb 10, 2017 02:03
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Snowman_McK posted:waiting for Mendes' body to shut down and having to wrestle a 12 year old max holloway, less so) Oh stop this nonsense
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Feb 10, 2017 02:04
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Dangersim posted:Oh stop this nonsense Mendes gassed really badly. You can tell by watching the fight, and noticing when he gasses really badly. It's in the first round. It goes downhill from there.
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Feb 10, 2017 02:05
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Snowman_McK posted:Mendes gassed really badly. You can tell by watching the fight, and noticing when he gasses really badly. It's in the first round. It goes downhill from there. Was his before or after he got hit in the body a million times? I thi k it was after.
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Feb 10, 2017 02:06
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Just to make sure, this is also the fight where he could never stop moving or he would get caught against the cage right?
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Feb 10, 2017 02:08
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I your in such poor shape you start gassing minutes in your doing a really lovely job of being a professional athlete.
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Feb 10, 2017 02:10
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Snowman_McK posted:I genuinely thought at one point that Weidman had a shot at retiring undefeated. You and I both. I'd rather believe he just made some bad strategic moves against two very tough opponents in a row rather than being a victim of the IV ban or USADA regulations. Hopefully it's not the latter but I don't know enough about that stuff and don't want to speculate.
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Feb 10, 2017 02:15
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Work Friend Keven posted:I will admit that Aldo badly mismanaged his energy in assuming that the fight would be over in seconds, resulting in a serious gas out. However, I think given time to adjust and gameplan, he won't make that mistake again. lol
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Feb 10, 2017 02:18
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god, you assholes defending a title 0 times is basically the same as defending it 7 times
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Feb 10, 2017 02:23
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LobsterMobster posted:There are only like 7 ballots for the MMA awards, get some votes in, please? Done, you'll never guess which ballot is mine.
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Feb 10, 2017 02:26
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You cant really compare Conor and Aldos accomplishments. Aldo only has 9 fights in the UFC whereas Conor has 10 in half the time. He fights more than twice as often and fights at all different weight classes, on short notice against bad matchups etc, whereas Aldo only fights when the circumstances favor him and constantly pulls out of fights due to injuries. Conors victories are also usually a lot more impressive -- hes finished 6 opponents in the UFC and Aldo has only finished 2. he has twice as many belts in different weightclasses also. Overall i think Aldo still has time to catch up with Conor's achievements if he works hard, hes only a few years older than him
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Feb 10, 2017 02:28
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Per Fight Matrix's historic MMA rankings: Aldo's UFC fights (ranked 1st, until Edgar fight) Mark Hominick, April '11 - 9th Ken Flo, Oct 11 - 2nd Chad Mendes, Jan 12 - 4th Frankie Edgar, Feb 13 - 2nd (LW) Zombie, Aug 13 - 14th Lamas, Feb 14 - 5th Mendes, Oct 14 - 3rd Conor, Dec 15 - 3rd (closest ranking was October '15) (Jan 16, Aldo 3rd, Conor 1st) Edgar, July 16 - 1st (Aldo ranked 4th) Conor's UFC fights 75th LW vs Brimage, April '13 - 32nd 18th vs Holloway, Aug 13 - 68th 19th vs Brandao, July 14 - 30th 19th vs Poirier, Sept 14 - 10th (Closest ranking was July '14) (October 14, Conor was 7th, Poirier 16th) 7th vs Siver, Jan 15 - 19th 5th vs Mendes, July 15th - 4th 3rd vs Aldo, Dec 15 - 1st (closest ranking Oct '15) (Jan 16, Conor 1st, Aldo 3rd) 1st vs Diaz, Mar 16 - 9th LW (Closest ranking Jan 16) (April 16, Conor 2nd, Nate 2nd) 2nd vs Diaz, Aug 16 - 2nd LW 6th WW vs Alvarez, Nov 16 - 1st
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Feb 10, 2017 02:46
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It's a delicate dance, fight promotion.
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Feb 10, 2017 02:47
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Aldo has also been the #1 Featherweight in the world before the UFC had the division, and fought (and beat) nearly every FW worth mentioning. Conor's rise has been nothing short of amazing, but barely going 1-1 with Nate Diaz in vanity fights while not defending your belts isn't nearly as impressive.
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Feb 10, 2017 02:49
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the only division which conor has looked invincible in was the one that his own coach said his size advantage was unfair. in the division he should probably be fighting in he's a great fighter who is not yet as accomplished as noted bantamweight frank the answer edgar
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Feb 10, 2017 02:49
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Marching Powder posted:the only division which conor has looked invincible in was the one that his own coach said his size advantage was unfair. Which divisions has aldo looked invincible in?
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Feb 10, 2017 02:59
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Mr. Carlisle posted:I became a Bisping fan when he avenged the untimely death of one of my favorite fighters The last I saw Chris Weidman he was sprawled on the ground bleeding profusely from a head wound, so it's most likely that he is actually dead.
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Feb 10, 2017 03:01
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