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Greatbacon posted:Update: My boss rejected 3 weeks of PTO for a biking trip in Spain, so I put in my two weeks Updatex2: Apparently my managers were concerned I might talk poo poo about them to the new hire that starts next Monday, so they told me to go home today and not come in for the rest of my two weeks  Jokes on them though. The only developer left on the team knows exactly how poo poo management is, where the skeletons are buried, and has the blessing/curse of always speaking his mind.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:22
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Volmarias posted:Tell them "Hey, time for standup" unless you feel like making it a management problem. This does work better if you imitate your avatar irl when you do so. "Hey, time for standup" \ 
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Feb 2, 2017 05:51
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Either you join or you don't join, nobody really cares. We assume that someone who is behind a screen typing away has valuable flow going on that no standup is worth interrupting. Because we treat each other like grownups this actually works.
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Feb 2, 2017 06:33
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smackfu posted:How do you deal with people being late to standup? make it a meeting actually worth going to that only lasts ten minutes? don't do it at 9am? have a t-con number so people can call in if they can't physically be there for some reason?
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Feb 2, 2017 12:38
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Keetron posted:Either you join or you don't join, nobody really cares. We assume that someone who is behind a screen typing away has valuable flow going on that no standup is worth interrupting. Because we treat each other like grownups this actually works. This is what we do. If someone finds a rhythm, don't disturb. Keep your kanban board up to date and everything is fine. Don't overthink it.
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Feb 2, 2017 13:46
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Dirk Pitt posted:This is what we do. If someone finds a rhythm, don't disturb. Keep your kanban board up to date and everything is fine. Don't overthink it. But the Agile Coach told the team standup is absolutely critical to the Agile Process and enabling an Agile Team to work like Agile is supposed to work!
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Feb 2, 2017 13:52
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Cuntpunch posted:But the Agile Coach told the team standup is absolutely critical to the Agile Process and enabling an Agile Team to work like Agile is supposed to work! We must honor the ceremonies of Ag'Ile or we will become a cursed people.
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Feb 2, 2017 14:11
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If everyone doesn't attend the standup then how are they supposed to know what the guy that sits next all day to them is doing on their joint project?!?! Daily agile standups are the stupidest goddamn invention on earth. If there's information that needs to be shared with the whole team put it in Slack. Why would you withold information till the next day? It's either important or it's not. Plus there is nothing more irritating than standing in a circle while 2/3 your coworkers stare at their shoes and mumble and 1/3 (sales) is already on their third key bump of the day by 8am.
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Feb 2, 2017 16:40
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revmoo posted:Daily agile standups are the stupidest goddamn invention on earth. If there's information that needs to be shared with the whole team put it in Slack. Why would you withold information till the next day? It's either important or it's not. In my experience, information routinely surfaces that no one thought was important, but it turns out is important. Or little things like someone saying "Still working on X, having trouble with the Frobulator integration.", and someone else says, "I have some experience with the Frobulator, I'll take a look with you later". Some people won't admit when they're stuck and need help.
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Feb 2, 2017 17:18
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Gildiss posted:Working in Development: We must honor the ceremonies of Ag'Ile
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Feb 2, 2017 17:21
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I have been doing my PM's job for him writing up stories and figuring out what needs to get done for our stupid app that shouldn't be more complicated than a couple React components yet has been mismanaged to hell and back and now no one knows what the gently caress is going on. gently caress this. I do not want to do this. I am both bad at and uninterested in project management and what I want to do is program, motherfucker. I am not spending my time completing or getting better at my job and if I have to get yelled at for failing to complete two sprints' worth of misguided, badly specced dev work within a week again I will genuinely poo poo a brick. Whyyy does this poo poo happen. 
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Feb 2, 2017 18:06
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Pollyanna posted:I have been doing my PM's job for him writing up stories and figuring out what needs to get done for our stupid app that shouldn't be more complicated than a couple React components yet has been mismanaged to hell and back and now no one knows what the gently caress is going on. Congratulations on your Business Analysis experience - consider putting that on your resume. lol if you've been doing software development for more than a few months and haven't done any BA work
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Feb 2, 2017 18:13
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Munkeymon posted:lol if you've been doing software development for more than a few months and haven't done any BA work
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Feb 2, 2017 18:28
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Pollyanna posted:I have been doing my PM's job for him writing up stories and figuring out what needs to get done for our stupid app that shouldn't be more complicated than a couple React components yet has been mismanaged to hell and back and now no one knows what the gently caress is going on. If developers don't have to climb up through Inferno and Purgatorio, you won't appreciate or know Paradiso when you see it.
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Feb 2, 2017 18:31
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Vulture Culture posted:There are non-BA parts of software development? The part where you create bugs. You know, 'coding'
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Feb 2, 2017 18:49
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If I was doing the BA work for this we wouldn't have gotten anywhere near where we are now without first identifying a clear user and establishing a relationship with said user, getting down a clear set of requirements with a single source of truth, defining an Agile system that works well for the developers and has total team buy-in, properly vetting our tech stack options for a framework that actually makes sense for our use case, and not hiring on developers with almost no front-end experience whatsoever. If this counted as BA experience, I'd leave it off my resume out of embarrassment. I know that hubris is always one's downfall but I loving STG I could do better if everyone else hosed off and I did it all myself.  of course I wouldn't
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Feb 2, 2017 19:10
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Then why are you doing it ? I mean, from what I can gather from your post, you don't seem to have lot of support in doing thing "the right way". If you really are alone in this, maybe you ought to stop ? What have you got to gain personally ? Is there anything specific you want to achieve or is it by professional duties ?
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Feb 2, 2017 21:30
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Pollyanna posted:I have been doing my PM's job for him writing up stories and figuring out what needs to get done for our stupid app that shouldn't be more complicated than a couple React components yet has been mismanaged to hell and back and now no one knows what the gently caress is going on. My current gig doesn't understand what a PM is and has hired 3 fresh out of college non technical people thus far to perform scheduling / office manager tasks with a PM title. Either the devs do all the PM / BA work or you end up with a goddam mess on your hands. Asking to talk to a PM at some point during the interview process probably isn't a terrible idea.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:47
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Despite having 2 BAs at the time I still ended up being responsible for taking meeting minutes for client meetings a few months into my first dev job out of college.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:52
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Vulture Culture posted:There are non-BA parts of software development? Those parts are BS.
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Feb 3, 2017 08:19
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Technically I'm a consultant not a developer by title so I'm going to have to do full-time BA/QA at some point and let me tell you how much I goddamn dread the day. I mean, it'll be good for me and make me into a more well rounded and empathetic dev but it's gonna hurt in the process.
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Feb 3, 2017 14:28
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AskYourself posted:Then why are you doing it ? Because if I don't contribute to that process or say that it doesn't interest me/frustrates me the response is "you are an employee of this company and therefore you are expected to contribute in whatever manner is expected of you, or do you not care about what we're doing here?". They'll bitch.
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Feb 3, 2017 16:03
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The secret is to see a massive failure point but never ever speak up about it until maybe the post project autopsy. If you speak up it will be your fault for bringing it up. Let the thing fail, because no amount of deck swabbing is going to keep the Titanic from sinking. It will be wasted effort and stress on your part.
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Feb 3, 2017 16:06
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Gildiss posted:The secret is to see a massive failure point but never ever speak up about it until maybe the post project autopsy. If you speak up it will be your fault for bringing it up. Yes that, especially important is the stress part. If you keep bringing stuff up and it just add into your own pile then you are over doing it. Just like a living being, an organisation will learn/change when it hurt, if you keep patching stuff before it hurts the company, you are taking on your shoulder the weight of problem that should be addressed by someone with more power. Also, it just stress you out in the long term as you will consider yourself the only savior of the "right way" while not getting the recognition.
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Feb 3, 2017 19:12
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Today was "agile".txt Meeting (with people around the globe, so it started... early...) Meeting Meeting (wait when was I supposed to write code again?) Product owner passive-aggressively whining at me about features we're "having trouble" getting done:
For the first complainer, being very generous, 20% of that list qualifies for "things we've been having trouble" getting done, and I don't really feel very generous about this. For the rest, you're the goddamn product owner, you have complete control over the feature priority. If you want us to work on a feature, put it in the backlog somewhere near the top. I haven't even seen some of this poo poo it's been so buried and all of a sudden we're having trouble getting it done? gently caress off. This person is incapable of tact, this is not the first time he's said poo poo that made me start my reply over several times so I didn't put my proverbial foot in my mouth. Second employee's complaining now, the last day of the sprint, when the features we've been working on have been on the wall and in our feature tracking software for two weeks. They had the opportunity to participate/negotiate when we finalized the sprint work, you had the opportunity to look at the work we've been doing every single day since the sprint started and you even come to most of the stand-ups so you maybe should have noticed that nobody was giving status on your pet project. The hell of it is, it is legitimately important and urgent. Only problem is everything else we're working on is important and urgent too, and I don't like being complained to when the inevitable happens and something doesn't make it in. The only upside was that my boss is fully aware of the situation, the reality of our capacity, and is advocating to the complainers on the team's behalf. Also not blaming or holding us to account for poo poo like this, because we're not doing anything wrong. Still pisses me off.
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So we had a dumb thing happen over the past few months. I'll preface this with I'm out of there very soon! A rough timeline:
holy poo poo am I glad I'm off somewhere that knows how to CI.
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Feb 8, 2017 10:51
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Dred_furst posted:A rough timeline: "stop doing this thing that makes us look dumb, it's bad for our morale"
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Feb 8, 2017 14:19
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Dred_furst posted:So we had a dumb thing happen over the past few months. I'll preface this with I'm out of there very soon! You should tell management that you need at least one, and there aren't any others. Better to do this in person, immediately prior to giving notice.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:23
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leper khan posted:You should tell management that you need at least one, and there aren't any others. I've told them multiple times over the past few years that they need a CI server. the pushback from upper management has been strong every time that even my manager has given up hope of it. I've already handed my notice in, I'm off to a nicer company.
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Feb 8, 2017 15:07
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So does the build server just sit there idling the rest of the week?
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Feb 8, 2017 17:11
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Eggnogium posted:So does the build server just sit there idling the rest of the week? nah, it runs
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Feb 8, 2017 17:14
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I've seen situations like that explained by the executives wanting to use a tool they were incentivized to do so and are trying to build up their cred to hop to another company claiming they chose some product and that helped them solve so many problems.
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Feb 8, 2017 17:43
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Resume driven development
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taqueso posted:nah, it runs nah, it runs
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sunaurus posted:How exactly does paid time off work in US based software companies? I mean, I have a general understanding that US labor laws don't really aim to protect/help average citizens, but surely software companies need to step up and offer good conditions in order to keep their devs happy? Seeing how there's always a shortage of developers. My company does 20 paid vacation days, 5 paid sick days, 6 paid holidays, and unpaid days off whenever (as long as you don't vanish without warning during project crunch time). This is pretty great time off compared to most US companies. We also do strict hourly everything because 99% of our stuff gets billed externally, which is great for preventing undesired overtime like I've heard horror stories of at other companies, but also makes me feel real dumb when I look at the timesheet and realize I've spent for-fuckin'-ever trying to make some minor web API work properly on Chrome OS for that one bug people will only see 1% of the time. B-Nasty posted:Sounds good to me. That's 6 days that you can spend watching youtube videos and playing SNES emulator games at work. Play TIS-100 and if anyone asks say you're optimizing the compiler. BabyFur Denny posted:Resume driven development I wonder how long until we start seeing business apps coded in Unity because of this.
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Feb 8, 2017 21:52
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Eggnogium posted:So does the build server just sit there idling the rest of the week? Yep! No word of a lie there, literally no idea what the rational behind that was. They still haven't understood that teamcity can queue builds. They migrated from cc.net late last year where builds would start executing regardless of any other builds that were executing, causing all sorts of problems.
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Che Delilas posted:I've found a problem that most people, devs and management alike, is not taking into account everything that isn't "designing the feature and writing code for the feature." Documentation, testing (and I mean writing unit tests, not dumb testing), communication with stakeholders, deployment tasks, meetings, emergencies, and just general everyday interruptions. "This will take me about a day" usually has an implied "uninterrupted" tacked on, but people don't consciously realize it. Skeleton crew perfectly describes my current situation. Months long hiring freeze with no end in sight while we hemorrhage talent. My team's down to me, the project lead, the devops guy, and the former-intern-now-employee. You'd think that the team responsible for the company's cash cow would get more attention, but no, the focus is on more and more features instead of the decade+ of tech debt. We have other teams who don't know our platform issuing pull requests for features, which goes about as well as you'd expect. And yes,  is the plan.
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Roadie posted:I wonder how long until we start seeing business apps coded in Unity because of this. *tugs collar*
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HardDiskD posted:*tugs collar* Please no
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