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Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

thatfatkid posted:

Not acting like a child and name calling the leader of one of the most powerful nations in the world?

She was civil, not sensible.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:20

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# ? May 15, 2024 04:51

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

So what exactly is the issue with what Hanson said about Putin? Or is it just Hanson said something therefore we must be outraged?

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:21

hiddenmovement: Sep 29, 2011; "Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

thatfatkid posted:

Thatfatkid has now been successfully added to your ignore list.

If you could all refrain from quoting him I'd be much obliged

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:21

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

hiddenmovement posted:

If you could all refrain from quoting him I'd be much obliged

I'm sorry that you are so triggered by differing opinions or points of view.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:25

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

thatfatkid posted:

So what exactly is the issue with what Hanson said about Putin? Or is it just Hanson said something therefore we must be outraged?

"Let he who has not invaded a country and shot down a passenger plane cast the first stone" is kinda dumb.

E: As is saying "sure Putin's done some things I disagree with but he's standing up for his country".

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:25

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

So Putin is personally responsible for a passenger jet being shot down?

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:29

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

thatfatkid posted:

I'm sorry that you are so triggered by differing opinions or points of view.

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

calm_rational_hitler_comic.jpg

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:35

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

So it's not the content of what was said, but who said it. You people really just go out of your way to be offended.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:37

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

The leader of a country is generally held responsible for the consequences of the actions that country takes.. yes.

EDIT: No it was literally the content of what she said. Her tone was fine, the content was poo poo.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:37

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

So how exactly is Hanson wrong in saying that Putin is a strong leader that stands up for and does what's in the best interest of his nation?

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:40

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

thatfatkid posted:

So it's not the content of what was said, but who said it.

No, it was the content, specifically downplaying and handwaving away Putin's crimes.

thatfatkid posted:

So how exactly is Hanson wrong in saying that Putin is a strong leader that stands up for and does what's in the best interest of his nation?

Well he doesn't, for one.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:40

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Doctor Spaceman posted:

No, it was the content, specifically downplaying and handwaving away Putin's crimes.

Well he doesn't, for one.

gay people are an existential threat to the russian federation

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:43

Gentleman Baller: Oct 13, 2013

thatfatkid posted:

Wow One Nation actually expressing a sensible opinion while the ALP guy acts like a child. What a time to be alive...

It is really strange how all these ultra nationalist right wingers around the world keep saying things that you agree with and progressives keep saying things you don't agree with. Really interesting and strange. It's really something nobody could expect, haha, right comrades?

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:43

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

Solemn Sloth posted:

gay people are an existential threat to the russian federation

So Putin personally shot down a passenger jet because Russia discriminates against homosexuals?

Gentleman Baller posted:

It is really strange how all these ultra nationalist right wingers around the world keep saying things that you agree with and progressives keep saying things you don't agree with. Really interesting and strange. It's really something nobody could expect, haha, right comrades?

What?

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:45

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

thatfatkid posted:

So Putin personally shot down a passenger jet because Russia discriminates against homosexuals?

quote:

What?

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:46

Gentleman Baller: Oct 13, 2013

thatfatkid posted:

What?

Your phrasing just made it seem like you didn't expect you'd agree with One Nation over Labor. I'll bet nobody else is surprised.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:52

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

Gentleman Baller posted:

Your phrasing just made it seem like you didn't expect you'd agree with One Nation over Labor. I'll bet nobody else is surprised.

I'm not sure where this fascist impression of me is coming from. It's genuinely quite perplexing how the supposedly left-wing "liberal" types that populate this thread so readily assume one is a fascist because they don't totally comply with the groupthink of the thread.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 08:59

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

I'm just going to be super clear here, this is my problem with Hanson's statements.

Russia oppresses gays, women, members of the opposition, journalists, meddles in foreign elections, funds and supplies separatists in Ukraine and recently annexed Crimea and as a result of this foreign adventurism has had massive sanctions put on Russia seriously damaging their economy which were Putin not a shithead, he could have entirely avoided.

When Pauline Hanson says she likes him "as a person who stands up for his country and he fights for his country�as a strong leader for his country." she's a wrong idiot because he routinely oppresses Russians, doesn't stand up for them, and his adventurism has seriously damaged their economy.

When she says on MH17 "You are picking out something, do you think that everything that our prime ministers have done has been in the best interests? " She is again wrong because it was clearly a bad thing, done by all accounts by Russian separatists, who are supplied and supported by Russia and that Russia has blocked the investigation of. Our leaders have done things so we can never be critical of things other leaders do is a lovely dumb policy and exactly the thoughts behind appeasement and turning a blind eye to genocides.

This isn't that complicated. They are dumb, lovely comments because their content is dumb and lovely, not because they were said by Pauline Hanson.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 09:00

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

She's obviously talking about Russia's interest's on the globabl geo-political scale, not domestically. Also lol @ trying to paint Putin as an aggressor re: Ukraine/Crimea when the US and NATO have been steadily chipping away at Russia's sphere of influence and isolating.

thatfatkid fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Feb 10, 2017

# ? Feb 10, 2017 09:03

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

thatfatkid posted:

She's obviously talking about Russia's interest's on the globabl geo-political scale, not domestically.

Hmm, yes, obviously.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 09:07

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on that one, but the MH17 bit? The bit where she thinks it's a good idea not to criticise any foreign power for being lovely? You don't think that might be a little bit of a dumb thing to say?

I mean look you're pretty attached to the idea of this thread being a big hive of uncritical groupthink but sometimes you get riled up at the wrong things.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 09:09

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

thatfatkid posted:

I'm not sure where this fascist impression of me is coming from. It's genuinely quite perplexing how the supposedly left-wing "liberal" types that populate this thread so readily assume one is a fascist because they don't totally comply with the groupthink of the thread.

thatfatkid posted:

lol @ trying to paint Putin as an aggressor re: Ukraine/Crimea

# ? Feb 10, 2017 09:14

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Apparently the Q society meeting is getting pretty heavily protested.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 09:38

Xerxes17: Feb 17, 2011

thatfatkid posted:

She's obviously talking about Russia's interest's on the globabl geo-political scale, not domestically. Also lol @ trying to paint Putin as an aggressor re: Ukraine/Crimea when the US and NATO have been steadily chipping away at Russia's sphere of influence and isolating.

Am I to understand that you're absolutely okay with the USA's actions in South America over the past few decades? After all its thier sphere of influence... Goddamn socialists had it coming!

# ? Feb 10, 2017 09:51

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

US special forces have carried out operations in something like 100 countries in the past few decades

It's fine

# ? Feb 10, 2017 10:03

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

poo poo happens

# ? Feb 10, 2017 10:05

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Those hiv researchers had it coming

# ? Feb 10, 2017 10:06

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

“I don’t mind that they are gay, I just wish, like Hadrian, they would build a wall,” Cameron told a meeting of the far-right Q society, Fairfax reported.

“Trigger warning for the Herald, there are heterosexuals in the room…I have to warn you there are some males who are attracted to females in this room.”

He said using the term “Sydney Morning Homosexual” was not anti-gay, but anti-Sydney Morning Herald.

He told Sky News he was sick of “state-sponsored political correctness”, describing the Sydney Morning Herald as a “bully”.

He offered an apology to anyone offended by the “reporting of these comments”.

Sky News presenter, Janine Perrett, responded:

“That was the worst apology I’ve ever heard.”

Lid fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Feb 10, 2017

# ? Feb 10, 2017 10:21

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Guess the author

quote:

Defenders of free speech have a special responsibility to drat cartoonist Larry Pickering for his despicable slurs of gays and Muslims.

And shame on all the conservatives and libertarians who did not howl him down when he said that while "I can't stand Muslims ... they are not all bad [because] they do chuck pillow-biters off buildings".

I am talking particularly about the Australian Liberty Alliance's Kiralee Smith, who was at the Q Society meeting last night where Pickering spoke after donating a picture of a woman in a niqab being raped by her son-law.

Why didn't Smith throw the foul picture in Pickering's face? Refuse to accept the money that was raised in auctioning it off for her legal expenses?

But, sadly, I am also distressed that my Sky News colleague Ross Cameron, the former Liberal MP, did not make a stand, either.

He spoke at the same Sydney meeting on the subject of free speech, and not only failed to condemn Pickering but said he admired him.

In his defence, though, Cameron spoke before Pickering did, and says he was out of the room when it was Pickerng's turn to comment. He has since criticised Pickering on Sky News.

But Cameron in his own speech cracked his own "jokes" about the "Sydney Morning Homosexual", adding: "The NSW division of the Liberal Party is basically a gay club. I don't mind that they are gay, I just wish, like Hadrian, they would build a wall."

He has apologised for those comments, insisting he meant nothing homophobic, although his crack about a wall struck me as very unpleasant indeed.

There will be some deeply misguided advocates of free speech - or confused told-you-so Leftists - who will say that condemning Pickering went exactly against what Cameron was there at the meeting to advocate and which I, too, also wish: free speech.

Didn't Cameron warn the crowd of exactly what I am doing now, telling them that too often debate is shut down by people who say "the person who doesn't agree with me is a bad, evil, bigoted, redneck, racist xenophobe".

Well, here is me saying Pickering's comments were indeed bad, bigoted, racist, xenophobic - and homophobic, too. And that any self-respecting audience should have booed him off the stage.

This is not at all a contradiction of my stand against laws limiting our free speech - laws that are absurdly restrictive and misused the shut down debate on the new racism.

No. The argument free speech crusaders make is that the public can be trusted to decide for themselves what may be said and what crosses the line.

Bad speech, we say, will be driven out by good speech, and there is no need to call the cops, the judges and the whole activist class, so keen to supress views they themselkves do not like. Trust the public. Trust their goodness.

But we conservatives especially must show how this works. When a Pickering speaks so fouly, we must say so. We must condemn. We must with our good speech drat the bad.

To fail in this is to give the cops-calling Left their excuse to say we've been exposed: that what we we really seek is not the freedom to speak but the freedom to vilify, free of even the restraint of any goodness.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 11:59

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

quote:

a picture of a woman in a niqab being raped by her son-law

what a hill to die on

# ? Feb 10, 2017 12:08

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

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# ? Feb 10, 2017 12:36

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

# ? Feb 10, 2017 12:41

Futuresight: Oct 11, 2012; IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

thatfatkid posted:

The problem is you think we're engaging in groupthink rather than coming to the same very very obvious conclusion. That you came to a different conclusion says a lot about you. That is all. I have a vague impression that you've done this sort of thing before too so I imagine it's even easier to jump to conclusions for anyone who pays more attention to the threads. It's not some conspiracy or "liberal" compliance tactic or whatever it is you thought was going on.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 12:42

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Guess the author

Andrew, I mostly love all you have to say, but you are being massively snowed here on this Q Society dinner story. You, possibly more than anyone, should understand that one needs to be in the room and hear the entirety of the night's discussions and speeches to be able to put them in a true context. You clearly weren't there, and you have fallen into a trap here set by someone who was there, but had an obvious agenda to skew the public's opinion of the general demeanour of the dinner, and what was said. Shame on you Andrew, you are much better than that.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech Andrew. If you don't like it too bad.

Pickering speaks in language that most Australians understand and support. Too bad if it offends those in polite circles (most of whom actually aren't polite but just hypocrites trying to restrict the rest of us).

A lot of Australians are not impressed with homosexuality as a lifestyle choice but are happy to tolerate it as the business of those who indulge in it BUT they are also fedup with the in-your-face propaganda about how wonderful it is, how we all must think it is normal, how we all must accept redefining institutions such as marriage to accommodate it.

A great many Australians are simply fedup with the self-indulgent, aggressive homosexual promotion agitators. The latter are the real targets of Pickering's humour about homosexuals and the reason so many other Australians agree with him.

Lid fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Feb 10, 2017

# ? Feb 10, 2017 12:51

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Zenithe posted:

Apparently the Q society meeting is getting pretty heavily protested.

which is cool and good, Q society are loving ultranationalists and its telling about how it's not being publicly derided as such because ~the people are somewhat respectable~.

Also thatfatkid please fellate Putin harder (it's basically illegal to do so in Russia though :shrug:

)

# ? Feb 10, 2017 13:07

Konomex: Oct 25, 2010; a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

You would think it would be inexcusable to defend a man whose country was implicated in the deaths of Australian families and children because we have all done terrible things.

Pauline Hanson equates the bad things regular people have done with murdering children.

Pauline Hanson defends child murder.

One Nation want to kill our kids.

If WA votes any of these fuckers in I'm going to be so cross with my great state.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 13:19

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Konomex posted:

You would think it would be inexcusable to defend a man whose country was implicated in the deaths of Australian families and children because we have all done terrible things.

Pauline Hanson equates the bad things regular people have done with murdering children.

Pauline Hanson defends child murder.

One Nation want to kill our kids.

If WA votes any of these fuckers in I'm going to be so cross with my great state.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 13:32

Ora Tzo: Feb 26, 2016; HEEEERES TONYYYY

Konomex posted:

If WA votes any of these fuckers in I'm going to be so cross with my great state.

Just wait till you find out how the federal election went in 2016. I hear the senate didn't turn out so good.

# ? Feb 10, 2017 13:35

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

The only great thing about WA is the smell

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hiddenmovement: Sep 29, 2011; "Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

The only thing great about wa is how far away it is

# ? Feb 10, 2017 13:41

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