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King Doom
Dec 1, 2004
I am on the Internet.
Has there been any sort of indication that the non psychic ascension paths get their own variation of the veil, or is it something unique?

From the video that got posted on paradox extra earlier it seems like it functions as a 'spend energy, get random encounter' button and a version where your now synthetic species can send 'expeditions' into the giant planet/system/galaxy spanning networks to investigate all the random server worlds created by people who gave up on physical forms entirely or try to communicate with the giant godlike AI's who were created by the random interactions of countless billions of different programs would be pretty incredible.

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Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Libluini posted:

It is. Arguably from my view point, though. So let's drop this or do you want us to exchange ten posts of "Yes" and "No" until we just report each others posts and give up in disgust?

I mean if you don't want that kind of exchange you could just, like, not do that

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Nuclearmonkee posted:

Space spergs are the worst.

Psychotic Weasel
Jun 24, 2004

Bang! You're dead.

Darkrenown posted:

So far in playing Utopia my favourite thing has been playing as space nazi humans, but accepting refugees from events. Then we eat them.

I don't think even the real Nazis went that far, man. Unless you are capturing delicious schnitzel people or something.

Kinetica
Aug 16, 2011
Can we have a war goal to sacrifice planets to the shroud? Either for more favors or prolonging the time for the empire to get eaten by the new eye of terror.

GodFish
Oct 10, 2012

We're your first, last, and only line of defense. We live in secret. We exist in shadow.

And we dress in black.
Imo they should replace "continental" planets with "temperate" or something, and then add in continental planets as planets where each tile is a ranfom/semi random environment type with that level of habitability. So your starting species could only use a few of the tiles at 90 and 60%, but you could get migrations to fill the rest.

Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)
I've got a feeling Wiz is accounting for the fact that refugees should not run to you to be eaten unless they're literally being murdered on their side of the border.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Sky Shadowing posted:

I've got a feeling Wiz is accounting for the fact that refugees should not run to you to be eaten unless they're literally being murdered on their side of the border.

in fact there was a comment made about this in the last thread that if government policy can end in refugees being ate they will not go to that place unless all the other choices involve active purging

Wiz
May 16, 2004

Nap Ghost

Nuclearmonkee posted:

Space spergs are the worst.

But enough about Star Citizen.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Coolguye posted:

in fact there was a comment made about this in the last thread that if government policy can end in refugees being ate they will not go to that place unless all the other choices involve active purging

drat, that's loving grim, when the only place you can flee to will use you as livestock but at least it's better than going extinct.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

GunnerJ posted:

drat, that's loving grim, when the only place you can flee to will use you as livestock but at least it's better than going extinct.

That happens in watership down!

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Also, Cow Quest in King of Dragon Pass.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

GunnerJ posted:

Also, Cow Quest in King of Dragon Pass.

man you saw how many biting things there were uralda just did what was right

Anticheese
Feb 13, 2008

$60,000,000 sexbot
:rodimus:

GunnerJ posted:

Also, Cow Quest in King of Dragon Pass.

CowLARP is amazing and makes an awful lot of sense as a myth.

...Now I kinda want to see if I can mod heroquests into the Shroud.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


GunnerJ posted:

drat, that's loving grim, when the only place you can flee to will use you as livestock but at least it's better than going extinct.

there's some campaign going on right now to keep a certain breed of pig from going extinct by promoting it as a food choice
can't remember what the breed was called though

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ
Pigs are the saddest livestock as unlike every other food animal they have no real use when alive (except for that most niche of niche activities, truffle hunting).

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013

Anticheese posted:

CowLARP is amazing and makes an awful lot of sense as a myth.

...Now I kinda want to see if I can mod heroquests into the Shroud.

Acting out the myths and ancient legends of your people's collective memory in the shroud would be absolutely amazing.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
that reminds me that I once googled why pigs aren't milked. turns out the main reason is that it is just too much trouble to milk a pig. they won't hold still.

dreaming about a tall glass of creamy pigsmilk rn.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

AriadneThread posted:

there's some campaign going on right now to keep a certain breed of pig from going extinct by promoting it as a food choice
can't remember what the breed was called though

Reminds me of people wanting to domesticate rare cat species to preserve them from extinction. As if people owning pit bulls wasn't bad enough.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Uplift pigs to full sapience so they can consent to be eaten and thus become vegan.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ
Okay so I've finally got the time to sit down and start playing this game, and oh god where do I begin?

What's the easiest way for a complete beginner at 4x to get started? I'd go with the UN but I've heard that missiles suck rear end, and if I'm going to edit that then it's really tempting to fiddle with all the other settings too.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

GotLag posted:

What's the easiest way for a complete beginner at 4x to get started? I'd go with the UN but I've heard that missiles suck rear end, and if I'm going to edit that then it's really tempting to fiddle with all the other settings too.

Space UN is fine. Missiles work well early game and the difference is literally one tech in a tree that goes about 7 deep for each weapon flavor.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
Here's what I want to know: where are the drat mecha, Paradox? We have godzillas and jedis and space marines in power armor but no giant missile shooting robots?

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Wiz posted:

But enough about Star Citizen.
:perfect:

LordSaturn
Aug 12, 2007

sadly unfunny

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

Here's what I want to know: where are the drat mecha, Paradox? We have godzillas and jedis and space marines in power armor but no giant missile shooting robots?

Someone told me you could build synth troopers on a planet with megafauna, but I've never done it myself.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Baronjutter posted:

Uplift pigs to full sapience so they can consent to be eaten and thus become vegan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCG7o5VCX4A

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



Hey Wiz, I noticed on the intermission stream, your avian ships had red glowing areas. Do glowy parts on ship models now match your empire's primary color?

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

GlyphGryph posted:

You were specifically advocating we should lose the ability to build robots even if you've already built a bunch, even if your civ is mostly robots and we've been building them for centuries, if we drift away from Materialist.

I'd be fine with limiting the research for synths to materialists, but not with suddenly magically banning what has become a societal norm.

That wouldn't feel good or fun or contribute to good stories at all, imo.
Not robots, Synths and ships with the top tier AI. Losing materialist causing you to automatically reconsider the ethical ramifications of building strong AIs is no weirder than losing materialist causing your society to suddenly automatically decide they're not people anymore.

And I think it would feel better and make better stories!

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

Here's what I want to know: where are the drat mecha, Paradox? We have godzillas and jedis and space marines in power armor but no giant missile shooting robots?

Strike craft that are actually mobile suits would be a good tech.

Bliss Authority
Jul 6, 2011

I'm not saying it was witches

but it was witches

GunnerJ posted:

Strike craft that are actually mobile suits would be a good tech.

Strike craft that are actually mobile suits and help with ground invasions?

Pros: They help with ground invasions and are also lovely fighters

Cons: Notice "lovely" modifying "fighters"

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer
All this talk about eating people made me realize there aren't any nice-looking portraits of spiders and centipede-like beings in Stellaris' standard arthropod portraits. After some searching I finally found a really neat black-and-red nightmare of a centipede on deviant art and are trying to work it in as a portrait, but I had no luck with spiders so far.

If we ever get to start as machines, I'm set though: I found two pictures of robot-spiders while searching for nice-looking real spider artwork.

Does anyone know some nice pictures of spiders (webspiders mostly, but hunters would do in a cinch)? And when I say "real", I mean artwork of something that looks like a spider. My image search turned up enough pictures of actual IRL spiders to last my nightmares a lifetime (shudder).

My plan so far is putting those new people-eater portraits into my Weird Portrait mod on the Steam-workshop, including some custom name lists.

Korgan
Feb 14, 2012


Libluini posted:

All this talk about eating people made me realize there aren't any nice-looking portraits of spiders and centipede-like beings in Stellaris' standard arthropod portraits. After some searching I finally found a really neat black-and-red nightmare of a centipede on deviant art and are trying to work it in as a portrait, but I had no luck with spiders so far.

If we ever get to start as machines, I'm set though: I found two pictures of robot-spiders while searching for nice-looking real spider artwork.

Does anyone know some nice pictures of spiders (webspiders mostly, but hunters would do in a cinch)? And when I say "real", I mean artwork of something that looks like a spider. My image search turned up enough pictures of actual IRL spiders to last my nightmares a lifetime (shudder).

My plan so far is putting those new people-eater portraits into my Weird Portrait mod on the Steam-workshop, including some custom name lists.



This happy little fella is getting ready to consume some ethically sourced vegan protein matter made from genuine intelligent creatures through that feeding tube. :3:

edit wait you wanted artwork, poo poo

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Libluini posted:

All this talk about eating people made me realize there aren't any nice-looking portraits of spiders and centipede-like beings in Stellaris' standard arthropod portraits. After some searching I finally found a really neat black-and-red nightmare of a centipede on deviant art and are trying to work it in as a portrait, but I had no luck with spiders so far.

If we ever get to start as machines, I'm set though: I found two pictures of robot-spiders while searching for nice-looking real spider artwork.

Does anyone know some nice pictures of spiders (webspiders mostly, but hunters would do in a cinch)? And when I say "real", I mean artwork of something that looks like a spider. My image search turned up enough pictures of actual IRL spiders to last my nightmares a lifetime (shudder).

My plan so far is putting those new people-eater portraits into my Weird Portrait mod on the Steam-workshop, including some custom name lists.
The Nova and Galaxy edition have a neat spider dude, but if you've already bought the base version it seems to be impossible to obtain Nova on steam. I really want that spider dude, but not enough to buy a seperate copy of the game which may-or-may-not load into steam :smith:

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Korgan posted:



This happy little fella is getting ready to consume some ethically sourced vegan protein matter made from genuine intelligent creatures through that feeding tube. :3:

edit wait you wanted artwork, poo poo

Yeah, IRL spiders I have seen about a thousand by now. Did you know the Portia-spider is almost as smart as a mammal? She uses some kind of staggered neuronal processing to imitate the decision-making a higher lifeform can do. The drawback is, she is by necessity a very slow thinker. For example, her main eyes have a visual range of about 75 cm and if you want her to notice you, you would need to stand insider her range and wait for a while, so her brain can very slowly assemble a picture of you in her brain.

Spider facts! :v:

(Still an awesome pic though)

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

LordMune posted:

No. To differentiate ourselves from Crusader Kings II (where the AI gets to enjoy miles and miles of intricate triggers and weights scripted for it specifically) we've always made a conscious effort to make the game more fun for the player than the computer. :)

Rude.

Coolguye posted:

in fact there was a comment made about this in the last thread that if government policy can end in refugees being ate they will not go to that place unless all the other choices involve active purging

This is correct for pops who live on a planets or something and have to flee dynamically, but there's a few events where you can receive generated refugees, or you rescue them from something. Then you set them to Livestock and chow down. It's a nice early game growth boost.

Oh man, there's an event chain where you find a race who downloaded themselves into data storage because their planet was doomed or something, right? I think you can just put them in Synth bodies or something, but how great would it be to bio-engineer them new bodies, download them back into their new flesh, and then eat them? :getin:

Darkrenown fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Feb 11, 2017

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Darkrenown posted:

Rude.


This is correct for pops who live on a planets or something and have to flee dynamically, but there's a few events where you can receive generated refugees, or you rescue them from something. Then you set them to Livestock and chow down. It's a nice early game growth boost.

Oh man, there's an event chain where you find a race who downloaded themselves into data storage because their planet was doomed or something, right? I think you can just put them in Synth bodies or something, but how great would it be to bio-engineer them new bodies, download them back into their new flesh, and then eat them? :getin:


I mean if you can bioengineer the bodies anyway, you're essentially implying the meat is only tasty if you actually had to kill someone to eat it.


If Paradox has a staff psychologist you should probably book a visit just to be on the safe side.

Does CKII have cannibalism yet? I feel as if it does.

SkySteak
Sep 9, 2010

Kitchner posted:

Does CKII have cannibalism yet? I feel as if it does.

Yes it does. When your keep is holed up during a major disease outbreak, you can catch someone eating your supplies at night, giving you the option to eat them.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Kitchner posted:

I mean if you can bioengineer the bodies anyway, you're essentially implying the meat is only tasty if you actually had to kill someone to eat it.


If Paradox has a staff psychologist you should probably book a visit just to be on the safe side.

Does CKII have cannibalism yet? I feel as if it does.
Suffering improves flavor.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Libluini posted:

Did you know the Portia-spider is almost as smart as a mammal? She uses some kind of staggered neuronal processing to imitate the decision-making a higher lifeform can do. The drawback is, she is by necessity a very slow thinker. For example, her main eyes have a visual range of about 75 cm and if you want her to notice you, you would need to stand insider her range and wait for a while, so her brain can very slowly assemble a picture of you in her brain.

Spider facts! :v:

(Still an awesome pic though)

Adrian Tchaikovsky has got you covered for smart Portia spiders.

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Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Darkrenown posted:

Rude.


This is correct for pops who live on a planets or something and have to flee dynamically, but there's a few events where you can receive generated refugees, or you rescue them from something. Then you set them to Livestock and chow down. It's a nice early game growth boost.

Oh man, there's an event chain where you find a race who downloaded themselves into data storage because their planet was doomed or something, right? I think you can just put them in Synth bodies or something, but how great would it be to bio-engineer them new bodies, download them back into their new flesh, and then eat them? :getin:

Except you cant actually put them in bodies lol

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