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dphi posted:He was gone in the off season anyway though right? Is capitalizing now and getting another first not a good move? He's legitimately the only thing that I fear when the Clippers play the Blazers because he has so much loving energy on the court that he can make the little plays to tip the scales in the Blazers favor.
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Feb 12, 2017 21:41
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Please give in to your choking urges Spre!
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Feb 12, 2017 21:43
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Ishin posted:Please give in to your choking urges Spre! https://twitter.com/Al_Iannazzone/status/830879894615818241 heh
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Feb 12, 2017 21:45
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I'm really confused because some Blazers fans are defending the Crabbe signing as "we are small market so gotta pay to keep talent" and then immediately say "well Plumlee was gone at the end of the year anyway" And then they also say that Turner isn't that bad. He's an asset and if you have a collection of picks you can trade any contract. So, instead of just not signing Turner and maybe keeping Plumlee, they can trade Plumlee for a first round pick which they can throw in to get someone to take Turner's deal????
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Feb 12, 2017 21:45
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One blazers fan here defended the evan turner signing , homerism is a strong drug
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Feb 12, 2017 21:46
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every 90s knick should start showing up at games.
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Feb 12, 2017 21:48
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https://twitter.com/danecarbaugh/status/830864126331101185
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Feb 12, 2017 21:49
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WhyteRyce posted:I'm really confused because some Blazers fans are defending the Crabbe signing as "we are small market so gotta pay to keep talent" and then immediately say "well Plumlee was gone at the end of the year anyway" For what it's worth, I definitely wasn't one of those fans defending that Crabbe match. And I'd love for us to have not overpaid Turner but that ship has sailed and options are pretty limited now.
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Feb 12, 2017 21:52
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BWV posted:every 90s knick should start showing up at games. https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/830881295534215168
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Feb 12, 2017 21:52
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oh lord wonder how much they were paid de curry GOAT fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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Feb 12, 2017 21:52
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inx posted:oh lord
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Feb 12, 2017 22:01
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Holy poo poo the Knicks are a clown show
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Feb 12, 2017 22:07
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I wonder what other moves Portland is gonna make. two of their three picks are likely mid round picks, and Portland's will probably land in the lottery. I can see them trying to move Crabbe for a player who isn't as cost prohibitive, or maybe Aminu?
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Feb 12, 2017 22:07
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It does feel like a bit of a tank by Portland now, especially since Denver is the biggest competition for the 8 seed and they clearly became better with Plumlee. The 3 first rounders is fine if they want to pair them with players and make a trade for someone that will actually help the team now. If the plan is to use the draft picks and build for the future you probably won't be competitive for 3-4 years and by that time Lillard will be 30 and McCollum will be 29. Not over the top by any means but the window for competing will be small. It just feels like it's a story us Blazers fans have heard a lot over the last decade or so. A lot of young talent on the team that never really goes anywhere.
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Feb 12, 2017 22:08
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If they're bad enough Portland could wind up with like Isaac and Rabb which would help them immensely
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Feb 12, 2017 22:10
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WhyteRyce posted:I'm really confused because some Blazers fans are defending the Crabbe signing as "we are small market so gotta pay to keep talent" and then immediately say "well Plumlee was gone at the end of the year anyway" The Blazers fanbase (not all of the Blazers fans here of course) is known for overrating all of their players. Even more than the Knicks. Travis Outlaw is going to be amazing. Rudy Fernandez is a future all star etc. Plumlee is off the team so he immediately loses that shine. edit: Hey Durant got to eat at the restaurant his agent pretended he didn't want to go to. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18668072/oklahoma-city-restaurant-says-no-kevin-durant-request Spacebump fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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Feb 12, 2017 22:14
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The Blazers are such a weird team right now. I have zero read on how any of their guys would be with a change of scenery.
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Spacebump posted:The Blazers fanbase (not all of the Blazers fans here of course) is known for overrating all of their players. Even more than the Knicks. Travis Outlaw is going to be amazing. Rudy Fernandez is a future all star etc. Plumlee is off the team so he immediately loses that shine. When Rudy had it going he was awesome
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Feb 12, 2017 22:20
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Did people get too caught up in the memes and fail to recognize that the Plumlee and Zeller names are no longer the jokes that they used to be
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Spacebump posted:The Blazers fanbase (not all of the Blazers fans here of course) is known for overrating all of their players. Even more than the Knicks. Travis Outlaw is going to be amazing. Rudy Fernandez is a future all star etc. Plumlee is off the team so he immediately loses that shine Except Portland didn't like him while he was here? Brolic is massively overrating him. He is a good passer, except that skill is extremely hampered by the fact that he can't shoot *at all*, so the only time his passing is really valuable is in transition when the defense isn't set. He's a liability on offense, I don't see any way to sugar coat it. So while he's passable (not good, but passable) defensively and on the boards, he's not some valuable piece. If he could hit a midrange jumper then he would be like a solid starter ala Robin Lopez.
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Feb 12, 2017 22:23
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Papercut posted:Except Portland didn't like him while he was here? Brolic is massively overrating him. He is a good passer, except that skill is extremely hampered by the fact that he can't shoot *at all*, so the only time his passing is really valuable is in transition when the defense isn't set. He's a liability on offense, I don't see any way to sugar coat it. So while he's passable (not good, but passable) defensively and on the boards, he's not some valuable piece. Stats seem to smile a lot more on Plumlee on both ends vs Lopez. I'd rather have him.
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Feb 12, 2017 22:27
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Papercut posted:Except Portland didn't like him while he was here? Brolic is massively overrating him. He is a good passer, except that skill is extremely hampered by the fact that he can't shoot *at all*, so the only time his passing is really valuable is in transition when the defense isn't set. He's a liability on offense, I don't see any way to sugar coat it. So while he's passable (not good, but passable) defensively and on the boards, he's not some valuable piece. I've got some news for you about your new center. https://twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/830882399814758400 I guess the draft pick is probably the more valuable part of this trade for Portland. I really expect them to make another trade involving a pick or two before the deadline.
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Feb 12, 2017 22:29
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a plumlee by any other name would smell much sweeter e: Papercut posted:Except Portland didn't like him while he was here? Brolic is massively overrating him. He is a good passer, except that skill is extremely hampered by the fact that he can't shoot *at all*, so the only time his passing is really valuable is in transition when the defense isn't set. He's a liability on offense, I don't see any way to sugar coat it. So while he's passable (not good, but passable) defensively and on the boards, he's not some valuable piece. Ghetto SuperCzar posted:I see so much "BLAZER FANS SAY THIS ONE CRAZY THING(on this other site where almost all posters are idiots)." straight up brolic fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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Feb 12, 2017 22:29
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I see so much "BLAZER FANS SAY THIS ONE CRAZY THING(on this other site where almost all posters are idiots)." Blazer fans here are pretty chill. edit: okay, they were bad during the ROY/ODEN/ALDRIDGE era, but that was so long ago at this point.
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Feb 12, 2017 22:30
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honestly, I love every single minute of Thibs effortlessly and repeatedly owning the bulls with his Young and Athletic roster
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Feb 12, 2017 22:31
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Kinda bummed about losing the Memphis pick but Nurkic has been a sulking pile of trash on the bench so the front office was probably over a barrel somewhat. 48 minutes of point center SSOL? gently caress it, we have half a season left of Plumlee's contract and a tenuous grasp on the 8th seed. Let's get weird.
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Feb 12, 2017 22:36
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https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/830891844674297857 not a stunt, nope
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Feb 12, 2017 22:36
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I'm sad to see Mason go. He's a solid starting center and I think the team is definitely going to be worse without him this season. I would've liked to have re-signed him too next summer if the price was reasonable. But the team wasn't winning and the center position is one big reason why and it also happens to be the easiest to try to fix right now. Edit: I'm not sure how Plumlee is going to work next to Jokic. It seems like a weird pairing Hashtag Banterzone fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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Feb 12, 2017 22:37
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with the amount of cap space and no one to spend it on that the bad teams in the league have, I think we're back to late first round picks being overvalued. Plumlee on 4 year big deal is literally better than any player that will be available. I think the idea of picks (flexibility, choice) is better than the outcome 90% of the time. Of course, teams that have invested in scouting infrastructure and an amazing front office can identify late-first, second round talent. The Nuggets, Spurs, Rockets, Warriors, and Thunder are all good examples, so they may have a bit of an asterisk on that, but for the rest of the teams are going to pick loving garbage. The seductive idea of the guy from the second round of each draft that's inevitably really loving good is only seductive because he's passed on by 30 teams on the first go round. Having another bullet in the chamber helps, but if you can't identify who will be good, it's a much better strategy to acquire currently good NBA players.
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Feb 12, 2017 22:41
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Those late first rounders are gold in Morey's hands
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Papercut posted:Except Portland didn't like him while he was here? Brolic is massively overrating him. He is a good passer, except that skill is extremely hampered by the fact that he can't shoot *at all*, so the only time his passing is really valuable is in transition when the defense isn't set. He's a liability on offense, I don't see any way to sugar coat it. So while he's passable (not good, but passable) defensively and on the boards, he's not some valuable piece. This is pretty much how I feel about Mason as well. He's a good player, and the type of player you want on your team because he plays with energy and is a team player, but he is not a good offensive player. His biggest issue is his inability to finish at the rim. Teams started trapping Lillard/McCollum hard whenever he was the screener and force him to beat them in space. He earned his rep as a good passer in these situations, but he never showed the ability to take one dribble and finish strong when given space. I'm sad to see him go, but given the hole the front office put themselves in with this past offseason I think this is a good move. Paying the tax with this team was never gonna fly, and it's clear we needed to gain some of our flexibility back. The roster is not in a good spot still, but I'm encouraged that this at least seems to be an admission of that fact instead of doubling down on the mistakes they've already made.
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Feb 12, 2017 22:54
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Ariza was +44 in the Rockets 31 point blowout of the Suns last night. That's the highest I've seen +/- go
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wonder what favors dolan did for spree to get him to the game today
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Feb 12, 2017 23:10
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Good trade for Denver IMO. Nurkic was obviously a malcontent, and he needed to go for his sake and the team's.
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straight up brolic posted:A center doesn't need to do anything more than pass, set screens, and dunk the loving ball. Tyson Chandler, Deandre Jordan etc... the list goes on. Plumlee's a bit worse at the rim rocking element, but he sets great screens and is a better passer. I think he's a net-neutral offensive player, but he's a fantastic defender and probably the only good guy on the Blazers other than Aminu. I think you all are underrating him tbh, despite how much I've made fun of him in the past. Rates out really well in WS/BPM too. He's multiple leagues removed from those guys defensively. A center doesn't need to be able to shoot if he can make up for it with defense, rebounding, and finishing around the rim. He doesn't, really, or at least not in a way that he's anything but a marginal starter on a marginal playoff team, at best. Blazers are trash this year anyway obviously so it doesn't really matter. Yeah you probably want him over those Crabbe or Turner contacts, but it's not like if you subtracted those guys from the team this year in order to save room for Plumlee in the future, it would make this team any better. Unless you expect a big development jump from him, he wasn't going to make the team significantly better in the next few years.
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Vertical Lime posted:https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/830891844674297857 man will stan for you dolan,, get me on the payroll blud!!!
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everyone needs to Relax demselves and recognize that under dolans Able Stewardship the New York knicks are the most valuable basketball club Period. Check the Forbes list don't take my word for it. Also charles is mashed Up and needs Help for his problems
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