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The headphones work because she can't lip read. Kilgrave needs to communicate his commands. And that's why Jessica should have just got someone who doesn't speak English to go after him. On the subject of Daredevil fights, generally agreeing with those who say they have declined. One thing Daredevil season 1 did well was that kingpin having his fingers in every pie meant there was a good variety of henchmen for Daredevil to beat up, with different fighting styles. Let's have more of that going forward. Not interchangeable ninjas.
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SonicRulez posted:The Black Sky was the enhanced kid, I thought. But what does that mean? What does the kid do?
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Feb 11, 2017 18:27
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Guy Goodbody posted:But what does that mean? What does the kid do? Well...he's asian. And he's enhanced. An Enhanced Asian. Those are pretty powerful - you don't want to get on its bad side.
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Feb 11, 2017 20:43
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SonicRulez posted:The hallway was definitely street thugs. Drifter posted:Well...he's asian. I just realized that this must be why Elektra is a Black Sky. Because she's an Enhanced Asian. There is literally no other reason. If you're Asian and you can kick hella high than you're ~magical.~ Ahahahahahahaha oh god the longer I think about season 2 of Daredevil the worst it loving becomes! And I bet season 3 will be even worse. 
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Feb 12, 2017 02:05
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HIJK posted:I just realized that this must be why Elektra is a Black Sky. when you think about it Iron Fist is actually subverting the trope that Daredevil set up by having a magical white guy martial artist instead of a magical asian martial artist. Pretty clever, if you ask me.
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Feb 12, 2017 02:53
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Drifter posted:when you think about it Iron Fist is actually subverting the trope that Daredevil set up by having a magical white guy martial artist instead of a magical asian martial artist. 
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Feb 12, 2017 03:17
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Guy Goodbody posted:But what does that mean? What does the kid do? That's the beauty of it!
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Feb 12, 2017 03:24
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When I first watched Season 2 of DD I was immensely entertained to the point where I actually suggested a friend who had never watched the first season to pick it up just to get to the second season. We were both big Punisher fans in highschool. Now you Negative Nancy's are making me wonder if I just have bad taste in comic book shows.
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Feb 12, 2017 04:03
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People are kind of overstating things I think.
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Feb 12, 2017 04:17
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I think Daredevil Season 2 is two halves of separate seasons that are probably good and thematically consistent exploring different ideas, that for some reason were jammed together instead of with the other half of their proper season.
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Feb 12, 2017 04:25
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I didn't even mind that division in stories and themes. It felt like a very comic book thing to do and after Castle got sent to the slammer I welcomed more focus being placed on The Hand and Murdock's relationship with Elektra. Then again I straight up binge watched both seasons and whenever there was a drastic shift in the story it served as a helpful bookmarking of events.
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Feb 12, 2017 04:47
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AndyElusive posted:I didn't even mind that division in stories and themes. It felt like a very comic book thing to do and after Castle got sent to the slammer I welcomed more focus being placed on The Hand and Murdock's relationship with Elektra. Something that works in comic books doesn't necessarily work in another format though. Live action entertainment needs more natural flow in order to be good. If a tv show is "just like a comic book" than that isn't a good thing because it's not being good tv, it's just aping the comic book format and trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. It wasn't any one thing. It was how several different bad things piled up. Like Matt and Elektra's horrible written dialogue ("Do you still want me  ") + severely lacking fight scenes + an Asian waifu tsundere character that needed Matt to do all the work for her when she wasn't getting stabbed + the total lack of character motivation on Matt's part (like how a previous poster pointed out that Matt went from "mellow" to "I hate my best friend and I'm going to blow up my business for no reason" in the space of a few episodes with no good justification for it.) + a Punisher plot that started out promising but ended in a wet shart.Basically if you like season two that's fine, but there are plenty of reasons not to and they are a lot more prominent than the flaws of season one.
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Feb 12, 2017 06:25
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And the Punsiher + DD/Elektra/Hand stories are so separated for most of the season until they really push them together in a completely inorganic way as if they need to set up a reason for them to all team up in Defenders. I also understand they don't want to do an endless amount of origin stories but I'm kind of pissed they pretty much did Punsiher's origin already so they really can't expand on it in the solo series.
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Feb 12, 2017 06:34
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I liked season two, but I didn't really like Matt in season two because he essentially left his friends hanging. However, I could understand why he neglected friends and work. He wanted to go on adventures with Elektra. His hormones just overcame his rational self.
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Feb 12, 2017 06:41
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nelson posted:I liked season two, but I didn't really like Matt in season two because he essentially left his friends hanging. However, I could understand why he neglected friends and work. He wanted to go on adventures with Elektra. His hormones just overcame his rational self. I just wish they had made it more consistent with season one where Matt is more of an adult. I never get the hormones argument. Elektra isn't that pretty and she's so annoying. Her only good point is that she can kick over her head. She really isn't worth it so it's really inexplicable why Matt likes her so much.
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Feb 12, 2017 06:42
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HIJK posted:I just wish they had made it more consistent with season one where Matt is more of an adult. I agree that it seems weird that Matt decides to destroy his career and personal relationships just to get laid and fight ninjas. That doesn't fit his established character bUt by any human standards of attractiveness, Elektra is very pretty.
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Feb 12, 2017 07:07
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HIJK posted:I just wish they had made it more consistent with season one where Matt is more of an adult. Wow. You normally expect an anime avatar on a post like that.
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Feb 12, 2017 07:09
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Also while we're bitching about DD Season 2, I really think it did a lot of character assassination on Karen. It pretty much destroys her relationship with Matt, they have no chemistry as a romantic couple, she pretty much just gets handed a journalism job, and rather than have her discover his identity (which is an iconic scene from the comics when Urich deduces the identity and tells Matt of it) since she is essentially fulfilling the Urich role, he has to up and tell her while holding the drat mask in his hand.
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Feb 12, 2017 07:48
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Guy Goodbody posted:I agree that it seems weird that Matt decides to destroy his career and personal relationships just to get laid and fight ninjas. That doesn't fit his established character I guess. I'm only attracted to some girls and Elektra doesn't appeal to me, so I don't really get it. Aphrodite posted:Wow. You normally expect an anime avatar on a post like that. Then you had better pony up some cash and get me one! notthegoatseguy posted:Also while we're bitching about DD Season 2, I really think it did a lot of character assassination on Karen. It pretty much destroys her relationship with Matt, they have no chemistry as a romantic couple, she pretty much just gets handed a journalism job, and rather than have her discover his identity (which is an iconic scene from the comics when Urich deduces the identity and tells Matt of it) since she is essentially fulfilling the Urich role, he has to up and tell her while holding the drat mask in his hand. Everything Karen and Matt did was disappointing forced garbage. On the other hand she had really great scenes with Frank! So I'm really happy she'll be in the Punisher series 
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Feb 12, 2017 07:55
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HIJK posted:I just wish they had made it more consistent with season one where Matt is more of an adult. plus she's probably got cooties
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Soothing Vapors posted:plus she's probably got cooties Elektra is a lot of things but she wouldn't put up with lice, she'd get them blasted off her head and then go about her daily life.
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Feb 12, 2017 08:54
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I hope they never explain the weird holes.
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AndyElusive posted:When I first watched Season 2 of DD I was immensely entertained to the point where I actually suggested a friend who had never watched the first season to pick it up just to get to the second season. We were both big Punisher fans in highschool.
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AndyElusive posted:When I first watched Season 2 of DD I was immensely entertained to the point where I actually suggested a friend who had never watched the first season to pick it up just to get to the second season. We were both big Punisher fans in highschool. Eh, you have to remember that it aired an age ago (in internet time) so most people still posting about it are the people who had really strong feelings about the season. Most people I know seem to have thought it was at least a decent season of TV, but few people are going to post just to reiterate "Yeah, that was good, maybe not as good as S1" or "Season 2 had problems but overall still enjoyable". I liked it well enough personally, but its not my favourite Netflix marvel show/season. HIJK posted:I guess. I'm only attracted to some girls and Elektra doesn't appeal to me, so I don't really get it. Wait... This cant be a real thing, right? You dont understand how someone can be attracted to a person you arent personally attracted to? Because I can assure you its definately a thing that happens.
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SiKboy posted:Eh, you have to remember that it aired an age ago (in internet time) so most people still posting about it are the people who had really strong feelings about the season. Most people I know seem to have thought it was at least a decent season of TV, but few people are going to post just to reiterate "Yeah, that was good, maybe not as good as S1" or "Season 2 had problems but overall still enjoyable". I liked it well enough personally, but its not my favourite Netflix marvel show/season. Some people will think your lying if you say you don't like the taste of a certain food, even though they see people eating food they themselves don't like.
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SiKboy posted:Wait... This cant be a real thing, right? You dont understand how someone can be attracted to a person you arent personally attracted to? Because I can assure you its definately a thing that happens. Yup you nailed it buddy u got it!!!! Good job!!!!! I understand people are attracted to Elektra, that's fine. What I don't understand is why the Matt Murdock character threw away his entire career because he wanted to get his dick wet, particularly since the lady that he's doing it all for is such a drag. Her physical appearance is only a part of that since she's supposed to be attractice in universe and that's one of the reasons Matt likes her. (See the season 1 dialogue where Foggy accuses him of seeking out beautiful women.) So when I try to understand why Matt blows up all his friendships and destroys his career because of his boner...I completely fail. Because none of it adds up and it's majorly out of sync with the characterization we got in season 1. Typical goons.
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I thought Elektra was supposed to represent the dark side of Matt's psyche, that a large part of him really does love beating the poo poo out of people and regularly thinks about killing people.
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Cythereal posted:I thought Elektra was supposed to represent the dark side of Matt's psyche, that a large part of him really does love beating the poo poo out of people and regularly thinks about killing people. I know that's what they wanted to portray and it's a good idea. But, 1) Frank did a better job of voicing that part of Matt. He had more of a meaty personal arc and he related to Matt better. 2) Elektra's weak personal arc tied up into the badly written love triangle (these triangles are always garbage) really reduced her to Matt's two dimensional love interest that just makes ominous pronouncements when she isn't making bleary cow eyes at Matt and whining variations of "do you still want me?" It wouldn't bother me so much except Elektra in the mainstream comics was such a different character. I re read them a few weeks ago and I was struck at how she's really a career woman who has chosen her assassination career over Matt, and while she's sad about their separation she never deviates from her chosen path. She only returns to Matt when she's almost dead. And even when she comes back she doesn't give up being an assassin and she accepts that this means she and Matt can't be together because Matt has such a firm moral compass about killing. Whereas Netflix Elektra spends at least one episode arguing with Stick because "I love him Daddy you just don't understand!!!!" Because she's more concerned about whether Matt will stay with her because I guess she has nothing else going on in her life and she needs Matt and only Matt to fill that. That's such an empty way to live and it baffles me that the writers decided to reduce her to that. Anyway sorry for the tl;dr.
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Elektra as the literal sexy violent devil is so damned fun - the flashback episode is a hoot. But yeah, as soon as they introduce The Hand and start talking about "The Chosen One" I mentally tuned out. Well that and Matt Murdock fighting ninjas in sewers. Oy.
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Feb 13, 2017 04:27
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Finally getting around to finishing Luke Cage and every time Stryker compares himself and Luke to Cain and Abel I keep thinking that the better analogy is Isaac and Ishmael, the situation is pretty much the same. Was it maybe their original intent but thought that the current climate maybe isn't the best time to compare the father of Islam to a psychopathic killer?
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HIJK posted:Her physical appearance is only a part of that since she's supposed to be attractice in universe and that's one of the reasons Matt likes her. Matt's blind how does he know she's physically attractive?
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Feb 13, 2017 05:30
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Matt can basically see unless it's relevant for the story to be blind.
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Yeah but not to a degree to know if someone's good looking or not.
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Aphrodite posted:Yeah but not to a degree to know if someone's good looking or not. There's more to attractiveness than outward appearance. But that being said, Matt can probably tell who is beautiful and healthy based on heartbeat and smell.
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nelson posted:There's more to attractiveness than outward appearance. But that being said, Matt can probably tell who is beautiful and healthy based on heartbeat and smell. i love this post
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Sir Nose posted:Matt's blind how does he know she's physically attractive? Aphrodite posted:Yeah but not to a degree to know if someone's good looking or not. Into the Ring posted:Foggy: You don't necessarily show the best judgment when beautiful women are involved, Matt. Matt goes for the babes. It is known and nelson is correct.
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The worst part of the finale is there was a potentially amazing scene where Frank Castle picks up that Gatling Gun in the shed and just murders a whole bunch of Ninjas, it absolutely should have been in the show, and it isn't. I could've forgiven a lot of the ending if the literal army of Ninjas just got mowed down by a Gatling Gun.
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