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Charity shops are loving awesome, I've got an Aquascutum suit from a charity shop, a Diesel jacket and some really good coats and jumpers so gently caress those focus groups.
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Private Speech posted:This was a newspaper leak, and we have not seen anything to indicate that the study wasn't done impartially. If there even was one, as by the same logic they could have just made it all up to tarnish, uhh, Rayner was it? No need to run an actual study. Again you seem to be thinking I'm actually saying focus groups are bad a priori or that the data these focus groups produce is devoid of any value, I am not. But studies have a hypothesis they're trying to test. Researchers write up results and get them peer reviewed. Deliberately targeting a sub-demographic you feel is likely to generate some convenient quotes supportive of the narrative you've been trying to push and selectively handing them over to friendly journalists to write attack pieces is not and never will be science. I've certainly never seen anyone writing about a focus group of Lib Dem or Green leaning Labour voters, have you? I wonder why.
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A new poll and an opportunity to see how well Labour's new pro Brexit strategy is working out https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/831093465136128000 Oh.
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JFairfax posted:Charity shops are loving awesome, I've got an Aquascutum suit from a charity shop, a Diesel jacket and some really good coats and jumpers so gently caress those focus groups. jabby posted:Asking people, especially women politicians, to change their appearance in order to better appeal to the electorate might be trivial to you, but that doesn't make it right to do so. But then at a logical level this is a problematic prejudgement, because some ethnic groups and most women can't grow one, so it's an unfair expectation in a leader. Also mustaches patterned after early movie stars are often a bad sign. When you have value systems operating at the examined and unexamined levels that can create a conflict, and leader selection is as deeply rooted in group social psychology and culturally informed values as is partner selection. otoh there is no part of this of which I approve: 
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Facial hair is a secondary sexual characteristic in a species that forms strong dominance hierarchies; you'd expect it to be correlated with leaderiness. I think all PMs should have to have the full-on Macho Man 'tache as Article 1 of our unwritten constitution. Women can buy a fake stage moustache and have it glued on.
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the secret to having a moustache is to also have a beard
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WeAreTheRomans posted:the secret to having a moustache is to also have a beard and then remove the moustache
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https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/831115333243174913 Labour is failing to appeal to the working class.
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Pissflaps posted:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/831115333243174913 I'm sure they would be doing much better amongst C2DEs if they had followed the Pissflaps strategy of voting against Article 50.
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dex_sda posted:and then remove the moustache And then join a late 90s numetal band
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Ah poo poo, I just removed my beard and left the moustache!
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I'm sure they would be doing much better amongst C2DEs if they had followed the Pissflaps strategy of voting against Article 50. That's also a poll from the start of last week that was released at the end of last week. It's not even new lol.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I'm sure they would be doing much better amongst C2DEs if they had followed the Pissflaps strategy of voting against Article 50. We'll never know - but we can see what happens when they follow the path of supporting it and the results are loving terrible. Tesseraction posted:That's also a poll from the start of last week that was released at the end of last week. It's not even new lol. Do you anticipate a big upswing in the polls following the latest article 50 bill vote?
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Guavanaut posted:They used to be really good for appliances that are just missing a fuse for great prices, but I don't think they can do that anymore. second hand electricals need to be safety tested. so most shops charity don't do them. but there's enough around that do that you should be able to find one. no missing fuses though. it's not the 90s anymore edit: ask me about spending Saturday morning's wiping layers of grease of old wii controllers. it's fun & rewarding Cerv fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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Pissflaps posted:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/831115333243174913 if the working class are racist obese fuckwads they should get in the loving sea
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jabby posted:Asking people, especially women politicians, to change their appearance in order to better appeal to the electorate might be trivial to you, but that doesn't make it right to do so. Your argument seems to rest on the idea that while it isn't 'right, reasonable or fair' to judge someone on characteristics they can't change (including ethnicity and gender) political parties should still choose potential leaders/candidates based on those things because the electorate is going to judge them anyway. That's just not right, and it leads back to my basic point which is gently caress focus groups if they are telling you things that you can't (or shouldn't) do anything about. jabby posted:Try and think of it this way. Would you be comfortable with Labour commissioning a survey asking random pedestrians whether they preferred a leader to be black or white,
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Zephro posted:Women can buy a fake stage moustache and have it glued on. There's even historical precedent! 
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Polls asking the public whether they'd be comfortable with a black/female/atheist/asian/immigrant/muslim etc leader get run fairly regularly, so I'm not sure why we are up in arms about that. The question is not whether the party dares acknowledge such opinions exist, but how the party processes stuff like that, whether they surrender to stupid public opinions in some desperate grab at momentary electoral advantage (perhaps to forestall negative coverage in the press), or cling on to some sort of principle and try to fight their case. I'm sure the thread knows what the right choice is on this.
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Charity Shop as an insult is incredibly classist and basically shows a disdain for the poor.
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Pissflaps why do you hate the poor?
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JFairfax posted:Charity Shop as an insult is incredibly classist and basically shows a disdain for the poor. Do we know that the person/people that said it aren't themselves poor?
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JFairfax posted:Pissflaps why do you hate the poor? You just categorised the poor as JFairfax posted:racist obese fuckwads who should JFairfax posted:get in the loving sea So maybe a moment of introspection would be more valuable to you than asking unwarranted questions of others.
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Tangentially, I always thought charity shops were kinda a middle class thing? Maybe that's a function of the places I volunteered in, though.
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I hate the racist obese idiot working classes Pissflaps, just because you're working class doesn't mean you have to be racist or fat. Why do you hate them?
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JFairfax posted:I hate the racist obese idiot working classes Pissflaps, just because you're working class doesn't mean you have to be racist or fat. Why would you ask if I hate the poor? Have I said anything to suggest I do? Also you might want to tone down the anti working class rhetoric.
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JFairfax posted:stop apologising for racists I don't know what you're talking about. Again: what have I said to make you think I hate poor people? Why are you asking me why I do?
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Would you like to explain a bit why being fat is comparable to racism if you are working class, JFairfax, since we are having this other conversation about judging people by their appearance.
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Fangz posted:Would you like to explain a bit why being fat is comparable to racism if you are working class, JFairfax, since we are having this other conversation about judging people by their appearance. they're both poor life choices
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JFairfax posted:they're both poor life choices cool
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JFairfax posted:Charity Shop as an insult is incredibly classist and basically shows a disdain for the poor. more an insult for a certain overeducated middle class anxiety imo shop volunteers are sometimes the noble poor or the bohemian intellectual, but they're often those who don't need the income quote:We also know that the great bulk of volunteering, charitable giving and civic participation is accounted for by a relatively small subset of the population – termed the "civic core" (those who collectively contribute two-thirds of unpaid help, participation in civic groups and charitable donations). New analysis in the Third Sector Research Centre shows that: 1% of the population account for 9% of the volume of unpaid help recorded in the Citizenship Survey; two-thirds of unpaid help is given by around 7% of the population; 87% is given by 31%. The core groups are largely composed of well educated, middle-aged professionals; 57% have higher education qualifications; 33% have degrees and are aged 40-64; over 40% of females with degrees are in these "core" groups. With these groups approaching saturation, a wider range of people will need to be drawn into voluntary action; we can't just trawl for the usual suspects.
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Not all the working classes are racist and obese, but the ones that are shouldn't be defended as salt of the earth types. Clearly there are a lot of racist poor people and Labour should not be thinking "oh we need to be more racist to appeal to them".
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Parliament Petition to request reasoning for why there was no threshold on the referendum. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/164999 quote:TU strike ballots and countries voting on constitutional matters set a 2/3 majority for change. It's inconceivable this didn't have one.Was it because it was advisory, a purely consultative exercise not binding on this or any other government or was it just a careless,omission?
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JFairfax posted:Clearly there are a lot of racist poor people and Labour should not be thinking "oh we need to be more racist to appeal to them". Weird I don't remember you complaining about their Brexit vote strategy.
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mehall posted:Parliament Petition to request reasoning for why there was no threshold on the referendum.
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Pissflaps posted:Weird I don't remember you complaining about their Brexit vote strategy. are you saying people who voted Brexit are racists?
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JFairfax posted:I hate the racist obese idiot working classes Pissflaps, just because you're working class doesn't mean you have to be racist or fat. Some fat people have eating disorders but the NHS is really really crap at dealing with them and the waiting lists are huge. Please don't compare fat people to racists.
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