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The truly hosed up part about Goodkind's political ideology is that it's still probably less harmful than most fantasy genre writers who put zero thought into the ideological implications of the stories that they're writing. Though as I believe has been pointed out in the Sword of Truth readthrough elsewhere, Goodkind often fails spectacularly at being an Objectivist and goes off on insane moral digressions that don't even make sense in the context of his own value system. It's a bit like how mediocrity is worse than being bad. Not thinking about what your work means risks impressing something phenomenally awful in the minds of your readers without even understanding that you're going to be doing it. At least people shooting for indoctrination exercise the vague sense of responsibility to convert readers to a specific set of beliefs.
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It's not hard to see how Rothfuss is considered "good" if you go grab some random no-name books on iTunes/kindle/whatever. Sorcerer's Ring has a main character just up and mind control a dragon who is full blown godzilla sized, maybe bigger. I forget why I tried that series, I think it's because the first book(or trio) was free, but for people who enjoy that kind of story I can easily see how Kingkiller would be considered a Tolkien-grade masterpiece by some. Terry Goodkind is Fantasy Ayn Rand. BravestOfTheLamps posted:Speculating about what a bad person and liar Rothfuss must be is kind of creepy, to be honest. OTOH, it's not speculation.
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Torrannor posted:ChickenWing is right, Rothfuss is merely mediocre. Look to Terry Goodkind, who actually writes books that hammer you over your head with how evil communists, pacifists and especially the Clintons are, and where the sex content actually mostly consists of rape. Compared to that, a Mary Sue sex ninja and his relatively slight misogyny is just mediocre. The Goodkind thread is fun but frustrating since everyone focuses on the things you mentioned (which are hilarious and bad) but glosses over the terrible clunky prose
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Evil Fluffy posted:OTOH, it's not speculation. Okay. Talking over and over about what a bad person and liar Rothfuss totally is is kind of creepy. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jan 22, 2017 |
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Jan 22, 2017 18:52
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The pizza guy recognizing the boardgame is sacred, but if it also means we have to accept making fun of a guy for re-writing a story for his kid then I'm willing to give it up
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T-T-T-Turbo FART: https://www.reddit.com/r/PatrickRothfuss/comments/5rsr7s/patrick_rothfuss_live_streaming_book_3_qa_friday/
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I think what Rothfuss really needs are ADD meds.
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BananaNutkins posted:T-T-T-Turbo FART: https://www.reddit.com/r/PatrickRothfuss/comments/5rsr7s/patrick_rothfuss_live_streaming_book_3_qa_friday/ Oh cool, it's been a few years I wonder if we'll finally get a release date or ballpark estimate for Rothfuss posted:There is no release date yet.
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There will never be a release date because it will never be finished.
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Solice Kirsk posted:There will never be a release date because it will never be finished. wrong, there will never be a release date because of quote:Lastly, every creative person I know is behind on every project right now, because the politics in the US are a dumpster fire and we are all terrified and we are trying hard to fix it. How can I tell beautiful stories when I'm scared about the world my children will grow up in. Help me impeach trump. Donald Drumpf
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ekeog posted:wrong, there will never be a release date because of 
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drat son you can be bummed about Trump and still get work done. Your production rights just got picked up by Lin-Manuel Miranda and he may be sad about politics but is also putting out content all the time.
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The last thing Rothfuss needs is encouragement to write more Kingkiller.
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ekeog posted:wrong, there will never be a release date because of I don't know how people can call Pat uncreative when he has shown an ability to draw from a bottomless well of excuses as to why he can't write. He's getting more pre-emptive about it now - we're not getting the next book for a good decade.
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Tomorrow I'm gonna tell my boss there's no possible way I can work on the company server overhaul, because politics in the US is a dumpster fire and we're all trying to fix it. I'm sorry, until Trump is impeached, expecting any of us to work for a living is simply unrealistic and people should feel bad for expecting otherwise. (I would say "drat, writing is the only job where people can say stupid poo poo like that," but it's not writers, it's just him. The writers I dig are still pumping out the prose. Aren't artists supposed to get more active in bad times? So they can reach people with their art and suchlike?)
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The last thing Rothfuss needs is encouragement to write more Kingkiller. If anything this makes me more likely to vote for Trump in 2020.
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StonecutterJoe posted:Tomorrow I'm gonna tell my boss there's no possible way I can work on the company server overhaul, because politics in the US is a dumpster fire and we're all trying to fix it. I'm sorry, until Trump is impeached, expecting any of us to work for a living is simply unrealistic and people should feel bad for expecting otherwise. Even better, just exactly what is he doing to try and fix it? Is he volunteering his time to proof read and edit legal briefs being filed? Is he drafting letters to send to members of congress? Is he engaging in grassroots movements, attending rallies and trying to drum up support? No, he's sitting around playing video games, blogging, and whining about how hard life is. Sans his successful books he's the literal stereotype of the whiny, entitled millennial that people love to mock. "No Dad, I can't just go out there and get a job, GOD! Have you seen the news lately? I have to do something to make a difference! This blog is read by thousands, THOUSANDS of people and my voice must be heard to change hearts and minds!"
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StonecutterJoe posted:Aren't artists supposed to get more active in bad times? So they can reach people with their art and suchlike? He's not an artist. He's a retired fantasy writer.
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pentyne posted:No, he's sitting around playing video games, blogging, and whining about how hard life is. Sans his successful books he's the literal stereotype of the whiny, entitled millennial that people love to mock. Just to be clear he's a whiny entitled Gen Xer though. He's 43 almost 44. Let that sink in a bit.
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Hughlander posted:Just to be clear he's a whiny entitled Gen Xer though. He's 43 almost 44. Let that sink in a bit. this fits way better tbh
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Once again veering into I HATE HIM territory. I guess I really do need to write that epilogue in order to clear up the miasma. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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Rothfuss struck a Faustian bargain to get the first novel published and become a bestseller. When he went back to the devil for book two, the devil was like, "Nah man, you gotta do two and three on your own. You have nothing of value left." And here we are. Rothfuss is trying to build a charity he can barter for the ability to write. He's willing to shackle the souls of every child that's part of Worldbuilders to eternal servitude, but he doesn't get that his thaumaturgical prose source is just not interested anymore. It's really the only explanation.
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I'm really confused about what everyone thinks Trump should be impeached for? What law did he break that congress can force him into court for? Do they just mean "throw him out of office"? Because then we'd be stuck with Pence, and I'm not convinced that would be any better. It may even be worse.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm really confused about what everyone thinks Trump should be impeached for? What law did he break that congress can force him into court for? Do they just mean "throw him out of office"? Because then we'd be stuck with Pence, and I'm not convinced that would be any better. It may even be worse. You could probably make a case for the Emoluments Clause seeing as he owns businesses that do business with foreign governments. Just him still owning his business is a big problem. They made Jimmy Carter sell his peanut farm (literally) and then still investigated him for 6th months to see if anything wrong went on (turned out Jimmy Carter's brother was stealing from the business so I guess they caught something?)...
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Stupid question: around the time the first book came out, didn't the publisher say that everything was already written and they were splitting it into thirds and releasing one book per year? I swear I remember reading that somewhere.
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If he came out and said quote:I haven't been able to write lately because I'm depressed about the Trump win. I see so many artists out there creating beautiful work in protest and I find writing a fantasy story in such times to be a daunting task. For the immediate future I'm going to focus on improvements to whatever my charity is called in order to make a better world. Looking forward to picking the figurative pen again in the near future, but for now there are simply more important things for me to focus on. I hope you, my readers, my fans, understand that this is something I not only want to do but feel needs to be done. I'd be impressed. As it is that note of his is shameless.
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PSXer posted:Stupid question: around the time the first book came out, didn't the publisher say that everything was already written and they were splitting it into thirds and releasing one book per year? I swear I remember reading that somewhere. I don't know about the publisher, but Rothfuss repeatedly stated that the whole series was written when the first book was published. Of course, his definition of "already written" has changed a lot in the decade since the first book was published.
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Having "already written" all of something is a far cry from actually having three finished publishable books. The sum total of what he might've had written at the time he pitched The Name of the Wind may well have been less text than the first book had once finished. Drafts change and expand (and contract), editors and agents get involved, new ideas are invented. There'd still probably be years of work, if one were actually working on it.
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Nakar posted:Having "already written" all of something is a far cry from actually having three finished publishable books. The sum total of what he might've had written at the time he pitched The Name of the Wind may well have been less text than the first book had once finished. Drafts change and expand (and contract), editors and agents get involved, new ideas are invented. There'd still probably be years of work, if one were actually working on it. The only person that disagrees with what you just posted is circa 2007 Patrick Rothfuss. It's been argued in this thread several times, and the general consensus is that Pat had a solid draft that was written while he was in school, however it was only good as an outline and he needed to rewrite a whole bunch of stuff. The issue most people have is that is not the story Pat told everyone in 2007 when his first book came out - he was adamant that the whole series was complete and there would be no delays. You can actually chart his process of walking back this claim through the years.
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I think he's gonna finish the book, but probably not until his son is in college. You gotta have priorities, and what's more important than raising your child?
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In the greatest possible fairness to 2007 Patrick Rothfuss, maybe at the time he didn't realize how much more he had to do.
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Nakar posted:In the greatest possible fairness to 2007 Patrick Rothfuss, maybe at the time he didn't realize how much more he had to do. This is probably true, but, again, the story of just how much was completed by 2007 has changed substantially through the years, so no matter what, he's a liar. The question then becomes whether he's a well-intentioned liar that got in over his head, or a huckster.
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Ornamented Death posted:I don't know about the publisher, but Rothfuss repeatedly stated that the whole series was written when the first book was published. Of course, his definition of "already written" has changed a lot in the decade since the first book was published. Yup. quote:April 18, 2007 So 2007 Rothfuss' estimate was that Book 2 would come out in 2009 and Book 3 in 2010. Book 2 was eventually published in 2011 (so doubling the original estimate) and Book 3 is currently 7 years late and counting.
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To recap, Rothfuss is blaming the delays of a book that, a decade ago, he claimed was already written, on Trump being elected, conveniently ignoring that, even in the absence of his prior claims, he had five non-Trump years to write the drat thing. So circling back to my previous comment, Ornamented Death posted:The question then becomes whether he's a well-intentioned liar that got in over his head, or a huckster. , my vote is huckster.
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If Rothfuss at any time expressed himself with humility and compassion, most of us would let up on him. He's just such an unrelenting rear end in a top hat, capable of digging excuses preformed out the surf like a new god for some ancient pantheon of irresponsibility that you can't help but want to see him fail.
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Best part about the whole thing is that his definition of completely written turned out to be something silly to the point where I read a blog post years back when Book 2 was delayed that he was stressing to get the book finished but still had entire chapters where the only thing written was "Ambrose does something."
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