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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:It wouldn't make sense to me for a warcaster to get a warlock model. And there's so way a non Merc minion is getting partisan. She is confirmed to have once been a part of the circle in the fluff. She can do warlock stuff. She can probably do whatever she wants.
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mp5 posted:I'm pretty sure the damage roll was 6-6-5-4-3-1, I'm confused. Where's the sixth die from? Two normal, one for charging, one for weapon master, one for hand of fate. Edit: Minifeat, duh.
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I'll never understand why people get upset over stuff that doesn't affect them negatively at all. An hour ago Old Witch 2 was not even a thing. Now that the word is out and that she is going to another faction, people are getting upset that she isn't in their faction. Your faction isn't worse off for not having her.
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ShowTime posted:I'll never understand why people get upset over stuff that doesn't affect them negatively at all. An hour ago Old Witch 2 was not even a thing. Now that the word is out and that she is going to another faction, people are getting upset that she isn't in their faction. Your faction isn't worse off for not having her. All factions are worse off for not having her.
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Feb 13, 2017 19:47
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ShowTime posted:I'll never understand why people get upset over stuff that doesn't affect them negatively at all. An hour ago Old Witch 2 was not even a thing. Now that the word is out and that she is going to another faction, people are getting upset that she isn't in their faction. Your faction isn't worse off for not having her. I never said khador was worse off. I like old witch and don't want to have to buy yet another faction to play old witch 2. Could you specifically quote anyone saying khador is worse because of this?
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ShowTime posted:I'll never understand why people get upset over stuff that doesn't affect them negatively at all. An hour ago Old Witch 2 was not even a thing. Now that the word is out and that she is going to another faction, people are getting upset that she isn't in their faction. Your faction isn't worse off for not having her. If a Khador player was earnestly hoping for an Old Witch 2, it's understandable for them to be disappointed if they can no longer have the option without buying into a different faction entirely. The only other time that's happened is with Sturgis, and we knew from the get-go that he was going to be faction hopping.
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S.J. posted:My objection is that I just bought all these trolls and I'm gonna be even poorer than normal But you bought Trolls so you are richer in spirit as well as coolness and goodness.
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Feb 13, 2017 19:58
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rydiafan posted:I'm confused. Where's the sixth die from? Two normal, one for charging, one for weapon master, one for hand of fate. Yeah so four dice to attack, six on damage, each dropping the two lowest. Assuming the resurrection I did was even legal (see previous questions) 
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mp5 posted:1. If an Officer UA comes back, can it still be placed anywhere on the board since it becomes the new Unit Commander as soon as it lands, or does it have to be placed within 3 inches of the existing leader? 1. UA still has to be within 3" of the existing commander. Models placed after that can be within 3" of the new commander. 2. No. You can't satisfying being within 3" of the commander with no models on the table. Anatomy of a Unit (pg. 62) Shows unit components and details promoting models to unit commander as they die. It's important with HC to properly field promote so both players can be sure of the feat's threat range. If you're forgetting to field promote in a tournament, a judge could choose a new commander unfavorably for you and ruin your feat turn.
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mp5 posted:Dropped High Reclaimer again into a friend playing Minions using the below list. I feated back an Exemplar UA and three buddies, put Hand of Fate on them, and they used Battle-Driven to charge to Carver on 0 Fury. The Officer one-shot him.
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Feb 13, 2017 20:09
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S.J. posted:My objection is that I just bought all these trolls and I'm gonna be even poorer than normal Get out of my teeth you bastard!
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Feb 13, 2017 20:20
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albany academy posted:Seems like it'd be pretty easy. Something like if she's used in khador she's a warcaster instead and has focus not fury. Idk. I'd be miffed if there's no way for her to be in khador. That sounds like a collosal balancing clusterfuck Kithkar posted:She is confirmed to have once been a part of the circle in the fluff. She can do warlock stuff. She can probably do whatever she wants. Okay. I don't know fluff details like that
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Pyrolocutus posted:If a Khador player was earnestly hoping for an Old Witch 2, it's understandable for them to be disappointed if they can no longer have the option without buying into a different faction entirely. The only other time that's happened is with Sturgis, and we knew from the get-go that he was going to be faction hopping. Also no one wants to play Sturgis Khador can still get witch 3
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Feb 13, 2017 20:37
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waah posted:I am gonna be mad if all the "dead" casters end up in this new faction. And by dead I really just mean i worried that they will get a Mordikaar2 instead of Skorne. Cryx losing its faction identity again!!!!
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Okay. I don't know fluff details like that Same. Can someone expound on this, preferably at great length?
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omnibobb posted:Same. Can someone expound on this, preferably at great length? She's Baba loving Yaga. She is the land. It does what she wants for the reasons she wants. e: Has there been an insider Gavyn Files on Old Witch?
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Nighttheii posted:1. UA still has to be within 3" of the existing commander. Models placed after that can be within 3" of the new commander. Thank you dudes
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I'm going to call it now as working similar to Cephalyx. Special warbeasts, but can take some khador infantry and solos. Old Bitch herself will probably be partisan Khador and focus/fury depending on which faction shes in. PP will tout this as "something that we've never done before, totally unique in the game world" as if this is the pinnacle of game design innovation, and they've been planning something like this for years. She'll be a middle of the road caster who isn't great in either faction because she's balanced for both. They're going to have to prove to me that the Halloween Town theme is unique and interesting still. Warmachine has filled the world with 3 undead or abberation factions already (Cryx, Cephalyx, and Legion) and while it looks cool, I don't think it is terribly special, compared to the previous ones: farrow, gators, cyriss, and ret are all awesome designs imo. I'd unironically prefer merpandas so far.
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Fyrbrand posted:But you bought Trolls so you are richer in spirit as well as coolness and goodness. This times a kerjillion
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Alpha Phoenix posted:I'm going to call it now as working similar to Cephalyx. Special warbeasts, but can take some khador infantry and solos. Old Bitch herself will probably be partisan Khador and focus/fury depending on which faction shes in. PP will tout this as "something that we've never done before, totally unique in the game world" as if this is the pinnacle of game design innovation, and they've been planning something like this for years. She'll be a middle of the road caster who isn't great in either faction because she's balanced for both. 
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S.J. posted:She's Baba loving Yaga. She is the land. It does what she wants for the reasons she wants. I'm not sure, but even if there was all he could say is "We know gently caress all" Run down of Old Witch in the fluff: Zehvanna Agga, as she is calling herself to Khador, is a force of the land itself, an immortal being of god-like powers, possibly even older than Menoth. She wanders the land, subtly influencing the developments of the world. At the moment she is kind of allied with Khador, having assisted Vlad on a few occasions, including saving his life when he was nearly killed. She used to be part of the Circle of Orboros ages ago, but left them. Notable things we know she has done are that she was the one who trapped the Athanc of the dragon only known as the Champion, the one who fought Toruk one on one to try and get his siblings off their asses, using a combination of her own powers and the mechanical knowledge of the dwarves to create a machine to keep the Athanc imprisoned eternally. She is the one who sent Krueger on his quest that resulted in the forming of the Dragon Alliance and all that entailed.
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Nighttheii posted:1. UA still has to be within 3" of the existing commander. Models placed after that can be within 3" of the new commander. Actually one other question on this. Are the models revived simultaneously? And if so, wouldn't that mean that all models, including the UA, have to be placed within 3 inches of the currently-alive Unit Commander, before the UA replaces it?
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mp5 posted:Actually one other question on this. Are the models revived simultaneously? And if so, wouldn't that mean that all models, including the UA, have to be placed within 3 inches of the currently-alive Unit Commander, before the UA replaces it? Nope, they're placed one at a time. You can bring back the UA first and then place within 3" of the UA.
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Is this not normally the time we find out about the upcoming models for 3 months away? I wonder if they're keeping them under wraps until the faction is revealed.
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Local TOs are running an Unlikely Heroes event soon and the Khador list includes Malakov2. They're letting us proxy M1 as him!!  I love my stupid Malakov list http://conflictchamber.com/#b31bgy8f0d0d7w8p8p8t8y8c7Y86 Khador Army - 75 / 75 points (Malakov 2) Kommander Andrei Malakov [+28] - War Dog [3] - Juggernaut [12] - Juggernaut [12] - Behemoth [25] Man-O-War Drakhun [9] Man-O-War Drakhun [9] Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich [4] Yuri the Axe [6] Kossite Woodsmen (min) [7] Winter Guard Rifle Corps (max) [13] Battle Mechaniks (min) [3] Drakhuns are the best Sucker target ever
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Jimmy Hats posted:Local TOs are running an Unlikely Heroes event soon and the Khador list includes Malakov2. They're letting us proxy M1 as him!! Why bother having Joe without rockets? Just make him into a manhunter or a marksman.
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Jimmy Hats posted:Local TOs are running an Unlikely Heroes event soon How's this format work?
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How has nobody posted the new Skorne spoilers yet? After a lifetime spent bloodying his hands on behalf of others, Morghoul has emerged from the world of shadows to command a house like no other—the paingivers. In battle, Dominar Morghoul is attended by two paingiver escorts who aid him in crippling his foes so that his blade may find purchase, and he empowers his army with mortitheurgical might so that they may shift like the sands of the desert to swiftly fell their foes. TRADE POINTS: The lethal master assassin of the Skorne Empire has returned, ready to lead his warriors to quick and bloody victory. With a feat that grants Acrobatics, Overtake, and Parry Dominar Morghoul pairs best with fast moving melee troops like Praetorian Swordmen with the Praetorian Swordsmen Officer and Standard Bearer (PIP 74078 and PIP 74031), Praetorian Keltarii (PIP 74078), and Praetorian Ferox (PIP 74025).  Chiron is one of the greatest basilisks ever broken to the skorne lash, and his subjugation attests to Beast Master Xekaar’s perfection of the art of physical conditioning through pain. The beast’s physical might is matched only by the power of his destructive gaze. Entire ranks of foes wither to dust as Chiron sweeps his cold eyes across them, and enemy warbeasts tear apart their own flesh in agony at his barest glance. TRADE POINTS: As Beast Master Xekaar’s personal warbeast, Chiron makes a perfect purchase for players who have also picked up the Skorne Battlegroup Box (PIP 74095) as he gains boosted attack rolls on his SP 10, POW 15 Annihilating Gaze ranged attack. In addition his Leadership [Basilisks] ability means that this hulking basilisk works great in tandem with other Basilisk Drakes (PIP 74005)  Not super-happy with the dumb dragon lady eye candy for morghoul, but I like the idea of him getting an assassin unit. I'm also down on a heavy character to lead a bunch of basilisks.
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chutche2 posted:Why bother having Joe without rockets? Just make him into a manhunter or a marksman. Ever had your warjacks backstabbed by a bunch of bear's strength'd winter guard? xiw posted:How's this format work? It's p much steamroller but you get 5 playable wardudes per faction who are typically unloved, chosen by the TO. Khador's list is irusk1, Kozlov, butcher 2, malakov2, and old witch, for example.
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Jimmy Hats posted:Ever had your warjacks backstabbed by a bunch of bear's strength'd winter guard? I've never gotten winter guard into a warjack's rear arc, so no.
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chutche2 posted:I've never gotten winter guard into a warjack's rear arc, so no. Play more Malakov2 then IMO
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rkajdi posted:How has nobody posted the new Skorne spoilers yet? Agreed on the eye candy bit, but hot drat does Morghoul look cool. I really dig that look. Probably would not be too had to find some decent replacements / change up his assistants. Maybe use a tormentor and the Blood Runner's leader. I will have to think about it, but I really dig Morghoul's look. Chiron looks interesting and if he makes Xekaar more interesting, all the better.
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Jimmy Hats posted:Play more Malakov2 then IMO Unless you're somehow getting these 0.5 inch melee winter guard to charge into the rear arc of the warjack, all backstab is doing is giving you charge damage plus the +2 to attack from being in the rear arc. It is not easy to get rear arc charge lanes on things that have at least 1 inch of reach with speed 6 0.5 inch models.
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S.J. posted:Nope, they're placed one at a time. You can bring back the UA first and then place within 3" of the UA. Is there an infernal ruling or judge post I can reference for this? I believe you but people I'm relaying this to are asking And I'm also assuming a destroyed-then-revived UA cannot mini-feat a second time in one game.
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chutche2 posted:Unless you're somehow getting these 0.5 inch melee winter guard to charge into the rear arc of the warjack, all backstab is doing is giving you charge damage plus the +2 to attack from being in the rear arc. It is not easy to get rear arc charge lanes on things that have at least 1 inch of reach with speed 6 0.5 inch models. Backstab and charges is 3 dice for attack 4 dice for damage I do agree that it's super unlikely a wg will get into a jacks back arc against anyone who knows it can happen.
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chutche2 posted:Unless you're somehow getting these 0.5 inch melee winter guard to charge into the rear arc of the warjack, all backstab is doing is giving you charge damage plus the +2 to attack from being in the rear arc. It is not easy to get rear arc charge lanes on things that have at least 1 inch of reach with speed 6 0.5 inch models. Backstab is giving you boosted to-hit which is huge against warpwolves and other higher def lower arm poo poo. And getting a back arc charge on an enemy heavy after it just crashed into you isn't nearly as impossible as you make it sound. Aaaand backstab means you don't need to actually charge to still simulate the bonus, which lets the rest of the unit take shots and do other things. It adds a lot of versatility. And even in a world where I am going to absolutely never ever get any utility out of bear's strength I'll still take tough/+2 to hit and the handcannon over the marksman's rifle.
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albany academy posted:Backstab and charges is 3 dice for attack 4 dice for damage Yes. Like I said pretty clearly: quote:Unless you're somehow getting these 0.5 inch melee winter guard to charge into the rear arc of the warjack If you're not charging into the back arc, but only walking into the back arc, then a backstab has the same damage as a charge. But you're right, I forgot the backstab also adds an additional die to the melee. So relevant if you're somehow walking them behind a warpwolf, not that relevant if walking them into a crusader. If someone lets you get 3 or 4 str 12 backstabbing winter guard behind a feral, they deserve what they get. And anyway, a warpwolf that crashes into your line and then stays there is a dead warpwolf unless it just killed your army. Don't really need a backstab gimmick for that. Jimmy Hats posted:And even in a world where I am going to absolutely never ever get any utility out of bear's strength I'll still take tough/+2 to hit and the handcannon over the marksman's rifle. You're already trying to do a dumb thing with Yuri, which is why I said manhunter first. chutche2 fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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Jimmy Hats posted:Yuri exists only to give treewalker which is a good ability. Shame about the 6 points but W/E Yes. And yuri gives treewalker to manhunters as well.
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