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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Is there any good feminist theory on Starship Troopers and how even though the future is fascist as hell there's literally no men questioning women as commanding officers OR grunts, although women are objectively conquests for the dumber males like Rico who still struggle with the idea of blind unquestioning fascism? Women are given priority as pilots and naval commanders because of their quicker reaction times, according to the novel. Nothing stops them from serving in the mobile infantry but heinlein made it clear their talents were better suited to fleet services.
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yeah in the book when you sign up for military service there is something like 60 preferences for where you want to serve, and mobile infantry is right on the bottom end of the list. I'm pretty sure there's basically no women in MI in the book. The movie is cool that it is so egalitarian though.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:18
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I'm rewatching Starship Troopers now for the first time in like ten years and it's still great. It holds up insanely well.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:44
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geteven got taken down from Youtube and I never saved it. Can someone repost it? It's goddamn hilarious, I was in hysterics throughout the whole thing.
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Feb 14, 2017 03:09
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If you haven't heard Verhoeven's commentaries for Starship Troopers, you should - IIRC there's one with him and Ed Neumeier and one with Verhoeven and Casper van Dien, Dina Meyer and NPH. It's been years since I listened to them, but he basically spells out everything they were going for (fascism is bad! the movie is filled with hints that what you're seeing is actually BAD!) and goes on at length about how test audiences loving hated Carmen and (I'm paraphrasing) "wanted the bitch to die," or something like that. Again, I think it's been over a decade or more since I listened to them, but they're good if you like the movie.
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Feb 14, 2017 03:31
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reignofevil posted:Where do I have to go to get to say things like "actually this character is immoral and should be first to die" in Hollywood. Where did I hear - maybe it's bullshit - that American Big Brother sucked because Americans vote off people they felt deserved it; whereas other countries voted off the least entertaining people.
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Feb 14, 2017 03:32
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Bruteman posted:If you haven't heard Verhoeven's commentaries for Starship Troopers, you should - IIRC there's one with him and Ed Neumeier and one with Verhoeven and Casper van Dien, Dina Meyer and NPH. It's been years since I listened to them, but he basically spells out everything they were going for (fascism is bad! the movie is filled with hints that what you're seeing is actually BAD!) and goes on at length about how test audiences loving hated Carmen and (I'm paraphrasing) "wanted the bitch to die," or something like that. There's a part in the commentary where he suddenly screams really really loving LOUD.
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Feb 14, 2017 03:33
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the more i read about the book the more i kind of want to read the stupid thing, but based on my experience of heinlen, all the interesting stuff is probably like one sentence buried within 30 pages describing how a space pencil works
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Feb 14, 2017 03:37
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The military engagements are kind of interesting, as is the description of the power armour. But you have to wade through a lot of typical heinlein boy's power fantasy first plus all of his ideas on the perfect military.
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Feb 14, 2017 03:42
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Mulaney Power Move posted:the more i read about the book the more i kind of want to read the stupid thing, but based on my experience of heinlen, all the interesting stuff is probably like one sentence buried within 30 pages describing how a space pencil works It goes into ridiculous detail about their suits and military tech and why the old world was horrible and democracy doesn't work if the unwashed masses can participate. The whole bug war is only maybe half the book with the other half him showing you how great this society is and how cool their guns and robot suits are. It's still a scify classic of course though and it had a huge impact. Some authoritarian militarists in power suits fighting aliens isn't at all novel now, but that's just because everyone's ripped off starship troopers since.
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Feb 14, 2017 03:42
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Mulaney Power Move posted:the more i read about the book the more i kind of want to read the stupid thing, but based on my experience of heinlen, all the interesting stuff is probably like one sentence buried within 30 pages describing how a space pencil works It's basically about how awesome a well trained, well supported through every aspect of society, well oiled military machine would be at killing poo poo. I'm not sure Heinlein 100% believed that because most of his other books are about completely opposing things, but he definitely writes it as if he is trying to sell the premise.
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Feb 14, 2017 03:47
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we are all extremely lucky starship troopers was made exactly when it was. a few years later and it would have been completely CGI and it would look poo poo today, a few years earlier and it would have been all janky stop motion. but its both when it needs to be and its drat near perfect
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Is there any good feminist theory on Starship Troopers and how even though the future is fascist as hell there's literally no men questioning women as commanding officers OR grunts, although women are objectively conquests for the dumber males like Rico who still struggle with the idea of blind unquestioning fascism? heinlen was pretty libertarian on sex and race issues, but also was a sex weirdo who lived in a patriarchal society. so he totally believed that women and non-white people were as capable as white men, but he couldn't help himself from viewing women as sex objects starkebn posted:It's basically about how awesome a well trained, well supported through every aspect of society, well oiled military machine would be at killing poo poo. I'm not sure Heinlein 100% believed that because most of his other books are about completely opposing things, but he definitely writes it as if he is trying to sell the premise. it's weird because even though he was a social libertarian he was also a big time authoritarian militarist. like he hated the parts of the government that had to do with regulations on personal freedoms but he was totally behind the parts of the government that did national defense boner confessor fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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Feb 14, 2017 03:53
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Pretty sure one chapter in the book is entirely a speech about how well their system works or something similar.
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yeah it was made at this perfect time at the height of physical model technology and CG used mostly to get those models into the scenes. The whole drop ship to landing on the planet and deploying human actors is one smooth scene and it's actually quite an amazing effects shot.
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Feb 14, 2017 04:03
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Roughnecks is also quite a good series. it hits some of the satire of the film, but it is more it's own beast. Rico even figures out a good answer to the moral difference between a civilian and a citizen. The characters in the show are much more humanized, because SICON isn't the psychotic fascist state like the Federation in the film, just with some nasty undertones. It's a good show, check it out if you can find it.
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Feb 14, 2017 04:15
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:Pretty sure one chapter in the book is entirely a speech about how well their system works or something similar. yeah, but some of his other books include "let's blow up the state and live in anarchy" and "gently caress you dad I'm going to go back in time and gently caress Mom because she was a babe"
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THE BAR posted:My biggest problems with the film, with one being incredibly minor, is how the main guys' guns gets an upgrade during the last ten minutes of the film. Seriously, they chew through bugs like butter, in contrast to earlier where it took 5-10 people to down just a single one. This happens in that Netflix movie "Spectral". They go from modern day weapons to Gears of War overnight after the smart guy is all "Oh, hey guys. I upgraded your weapons last night. Oh, I also built exosuits too."
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Arcsquad12 posted:Roughnecks is also quite a good series. it hits some of the satire of the film, but it is more it's own beast. It also had a kickass opening theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5eAafpheKU Pop-o-Matic Trouble posted:If you guys are a fan of watching Best of the Worst style movies at home, you should try to track down Nail Gun Massacre. It's amazing. Highlights include actors obviously reading off hidden scripts, stuntmen corpsing, male and female nudity, and some of the worst fake nails you'll ever see. It's amazing. Since people were talking about Michael Ironside, I looked up what other sci-fi movies he's been in and came across Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone which sounds promising https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z351Gqxiv8E MrSlam fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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Feb 14, 2017 04:24
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MrSlam posted:It also had a kickass opening theme Techno Beethoven is a good choice, all things considered.
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holy god that show has not aged well
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Milky Moor posted:holy god that show has not aged well It's 1990s television CGI, what did you expect? As far as that range of quality goes, it was one of the best looking shows on at the time. Plus, nostalgia goggles firmly on, I think that the art direction and use of shadows in the show help forgive some of the dated technology.
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bring back old gbs posted:we are all extremely lucky starship troopers was made exactly when it was. a few years later and it would have been completely CGI and it would look poo poo today, a few years earlier and it would have been all janky stop motion. but its both when it needs to be and its drat near perfect I wouldn't have minded janky stop motion. I actually really like late-era stop motion, the kind of stop motion that existed just before Jurassic Park came out. That monster that Dan Akroyd fights in the Coneheads movie, for example. Or the ED-209 in Robocop. Clash of the Titans came out in 1981 and i love the ray harryhausen effects in that. Phil Tippet's stop-motion dinosaurs were featured in a documentary in the 1980s. So in my opinion, an early 90s stop-motion Starship Troopers would've looked pretty cool. Just want to add to the chorus that Starship Troopers is fantastic. Basil Pouledoris did the music. He also did the music for Robocop. Another movie that he scored is Conan the Barbarian, is another fantastic movie, though it was directed by John Milius, not Paul Verhoeven.
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Feb 14, 2017 04:54
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He also did Hunt for Red October. Dude was amazing.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:the more i read about the book the more i kind of want to read the stupid thing, but based on my experience of heinlen, all the interesting stuff is probably like one sentence buried within 30 pages describing how a space pencil works Oddly enough, the novel Armor by John Steakley is more like the Starship Troopers movie than the actual Starship Troopers novel.
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I had no idea there were two Starship sequels much in the same way I had no idea there were like three Scanners sequels. I'm guessing they were never big movies.
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Wrageowrapper posted:I had no idea there were two Starship sequels much in the same way I had no idea there were like three Scanners sequels. I'm guessing they were never big movies. They were direct to video and awful
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People who think Starship Troopers glamorizes fascism really need to read SM Stirling's "The Domination" series. Though "The Peshawar Lancers" is solid fun.
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Feb 14, 2017 06:43
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how many of the rlm boys do you think are secretly ayn rand fans? and is it bad that I suspect it's mike rich and jay?
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Mulaney Power Move posted:They were direct to video and awful Well me, personally? I loved it!
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dreezy posted:how many of the rlm boys do you think are secretly ayn rand fans? and is it bad that I suspect it's mike rich and jay? well mike bootstrapped himself into 23k/mo in patreon money, the other guys did stuff too i guess but mikes the biggest chance imo the irony of ones fortune being gained from review of more fortunate peoples work is only silently realised by jay
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Creating content people would want to watch on a regular basis is a tricky thing, judging from all the crap cluttering up my youtube recommendations. More power to em. My hope is to get coworkers hooked on watching them too so I can yap about them during my lunch break.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:The weirdest thing from the book (which I didn't read) that seemingly got left in the movie was a part where one of the spiders actually rapes a female soldier and then in the movie we see the girl who wants to get pregnant dragged off to a hole in the ground but not murdered for some reason by one of the spiders. Back in the 90s the bug rape scene was mentioned before the movie came out, I think, as something the filmmakers decided was a thing too much and cut it from the film. A 1996 scoop from Corona's Coming Attractions has the following: "I recently read an article in Deja News from someone claiming to have seen "six incrediable pictures of Starship Troopers." One was a Marine cut in half, his upper part being dragged by others. Another was aMarine with his arm bitten off. He also claims that Verhoeven has filmed scenes where a spider rapes a marine! He also understandably thinks that this scene will probably be cut from the finished film." At some point after the film came out I could have sworn someone admitted to the scene actually being filmed but they ultimately not only didn't use it but also destroyed/deleted the footage.
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I hate the fact that if mike or jay suddenly came out with some alt-right screed it would sour the whole thing for me. At the moment they manage to piss off only the most extremes of "both sides" since you have to be the type to even notice that sort of stuff. They'll point out lovely sexism and racism in movies and say that's bad, but also sometimes they make off-colour jokes or roll their eyes at tumblr politics. I think they're pretty ok dudes but don't want to be proven wrong. For some people out there not liking ghostbusters makes you a crypto-altright anti-feminist. I've run into a couple people who say RLM is just gamergate levels of sexism and alt-right hatred because they really hammered on ghostbusters. No I didn't watch their videos but anyone who publicly makes a big deal about saying the movie is bad is clearly virtue-signalling they are on team alt-right, obviously. It's the only reason to not like it. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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dreezy posted:how many of the rlm boys do you think are secretly ayn rand fans? and is it bad that I suspect it's mike rich and jay? Given their hatred of Synder's work, 0. Baronjutter posted:I hate the fact that if mike or jay suddenly came out with some alt-right screed it would sour the whole thing for me. At the moment they manage to piss off only the most extremes of "both sides" since you have to be the type to even notice that sort of stuff. They'll point out lovely sexism and racism in movies and say that's bad, but also sometimes they make off-colour jokes or roll their eyes at tumblr politics. I think they're pretty ok dudes but don't want to be proven wrong. Le same.
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Baronjutter posted:I hate the fact that if mike or jay suddenly came out with some alt-right screed it would sour the whole thing for me. At the moment they manage to piss off only the most extremes of "both sides" since you have to be the type to even notice that sort of stuff. They'll point out lovely sexism and racism in movies and say that's bad, but also sometimes they make off-colour jokes or roll their eyes at tumblr politics. I think they're pretty ok dudes but don't want to be proven wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQRmacNGFkM
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I'd like to think the RLM gang is less alt-right and more "tweaking the noses of easily offended people on both sides". At least I hope so Also there was one PreReq where Rich was kind of pooh-poohing the protests against Trump, but more in a "he won, protesting now just looks like sour grapes, let's at least wait until he inevitably fucks up" kind of way. While Jack was much more on the "it's their Constitutional right and good on 'em for exercising it" side of things. So Jack's definitely OK in my book 
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I'd like to think the RLM gang is less alt-right and more "tweaking the noses of easily offended people on both sides". At least I hope so they're just moderate midwesterners with lower levels of cultural awareness outside of pop culture and film stuff. there was that one wheel of the worst with s.o.s. and none of them could recognize written japanese on the back of the box. jack and rich are video game nerds, what kind of video game nerd doesn't at least know what japanese looks like but yeah they just make crass jokes. mike likes to make highly off-color jokes and this is mistaken for alt-right sensibility when really he'd make fun of alt-right internet nerds too if they crossed his path. look at how much all of them piss on star wars fandom and turbonerd star wars geeks
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In a pre-rec stream Jack talks about how he was tricked into going to a gay bar to see a furry stripshow.
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Buschmaki posted:In a pre-rec stream Jack talks about how he was tricked into going to a gay bar to see a furry stripshow. Jack and Jay chatting while Rich occasionally interjects is my fav pre rec stream type. I love Rich but there is such a thing as TOO MUCH Rich.
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