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Who cares if Hitler was a socialist or not - he was also a vegetarian, does this mean all vegetarians would murder all jews if left unchecked?
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Pochoclo posted:Who cares if Hitler was a socialist or not - he was also a vegetarian, does this mean all vegetarians would murder all jews if left unchecked? frankly this is a far far better response than attempting to engage the question in good faith
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Feb 13, 2017 21:29
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Vegetarians maybe not, but I could certainly see Vegans becoming that unhinged.
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Feb 13, 2017 21:30
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Definitely, but their argument would be presented as "everyone who eats halal or kosher meat should have their throats slashed, see how they like it!"
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Feb 13, 2017 21:34
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forkboy84 posted:It's actually easy to figure out. He wasn't. SSJ or whatever Goku Wilders, who was cool in LF so I don't know what he's up to these days
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Feb 13, 2017 21:40
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I always think of right-wing totalitarianism as having two strands, a really strong state apparatus that can overrule individuals at will, and a tribal unity story that you never needed civil rights anyway because you're part of a small group who all share the same goals (which can be ethnic or geographical or whatever) and the state is the embodiment of the will of that small group. Then the state stokes that tribal unity feeling by loudly attacking people outside the tribe. Whereas the left wing version is inclusionary: the reason it's ok to have no civil rights is that the state is the embodiment of the will of everybody and only wants what's good for everyone. Except it then has to identify people as class enemies and loudly attack them, because human beings apparently won't accept having all their rights taken away unless they're really sure some other group has it worse.
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Feb 13, 2017 21:51
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baka kaba posted:SSJ or whatever Goku Wilders, who was cool in LF so I don't know what he's up to these days Most of the cool people in LF were psychologically unstable. Unhinged creative types. Remember Maggotmaster? Yeah. The problem is they've possibly all mutated into nazi libertarians or some sub-sub-sub-sub-sub culture of Maoist third-worldism. Or now have tech-jobs.
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Feb 13, 2017 21:59
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For the record, SSJ2 Goku Wilders was quoting Marx and Engels and attributing them to Strasser to see how many of you would notice. It's a fantastic troll when you're up on the game.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:10
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Also making GBS threads on pictures of Lenin, which I don't believe is from Marx or Engels, but it may have been in one of Kropotkin's minor works.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:31
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Guavanaut posted:Also making GBS threads on pictures of Lenin, which I don't believe is from Marx or Engels, but it may have been in one of Kropotkin's minor works. Odd, normally I wipe my arse with Trotsky Paper.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:32
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I'm for Labour holding both, just like every other by-election they've had to date.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:47
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Tesseraction posted:For the record, SSJ2 Goku Wilders was quoting Marx and Engels and attributing them to Strasser to see how many of you would notice. It's a fantastic troll when you're up on the game. Was anyone even arguing with the content? It was more the STRASSERITE STRASSERITE gimmick posting that was weird. Maybe I'm not up on the latest political meme culture 
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Feb 13, 2017 22:56
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Fans posted:I'm for Labour holding both, just like every other by-election they've had to date. I think we should get some Toxx backed UKMT predictions going for these two seats, get it wrong and u take a week off
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Feb 13, 2017 23:01
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Fans posted:I'm for Labour holding both, just like every other by-election they've had to date. Agreed. It's unthinkable that Labour could lose either of them. If they did it would be a disaster.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:07
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38962931quote:A neo-Nazi teenager who made a home-made pipe bomb has been sentenced to a three-year youth rehabilitation order. Talk about torn - while I think rehab is good and prison should be avoided where possible, especially for young people, I think building a pipe bomb while loudly calling for violent acts against other people should probably warrant a harsher sentence than he'd have got for being caught carrying a knife (second offence has a mandatory 4-month detention order). I also can't believe that had he failed the paper bag test they'd have let him wiggle out of the "Planning an act of terrorism" charge what with him claiming he was going to blow people up in Facebook posts where he also boasted of being part of a group now proscribed under the Terrorism Act.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:28
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All the rest aside, this is a really weirdly flowing section: quote:He told the court he still held Nazi views and he had been a member of National Action. It was proscribed under anti-terrorism laws in December. The first sentence about Mair stands really out of place with the flow of the article, and looks like it came from the wrong place until you read the next sentence. It'd be better as something like: quote:He told the court he still held Nazi views and he had been a member of National Action. It was proscribed under anti-terrorism laws in December. Also I think you're supposed to need some kind of plan in addition to means and motive for it to be convicted of preparation of terrorist acts, but that's not stopped them going after other people for less, so either the other evidence was flimsy as hell or there was some bias involved.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:49
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Pissflaps posted:Agreed. It's unthinkable that Labour could lose either of them. If they did it would be a disaster. Impressive steganography but it's really obvious how hard you have your fingers crossed here.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:53
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baka kaba posted:Was anyone even arguing with the content? It was more the STRASSERITE STRASSERITE gimmick posting that was weird. Maybe I'm not up on the latest political meme culture If anything he was mocking the thread's inward thinking as tacitly national-socialist without admitting that it only cares about socialism in one country. In particular he opened with "glad to find a thread of fellow Strasserites" or something to the effect when he first started poasting in here.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:55
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Panama Red posted:Yeah, she's the UKIP candidate in Copeland, and she's a real charmer too: I seem to be seeing people thinking the Nazis were left wing nowadays
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Feb 14, 2017 00:16
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Namtab posted:I seem to be seeing people thinking the Nazis were left wing nowadays nowadays? "the nazis were socialist" is an old rallying cry of the right. Many of the problems of how we view the public aren't new; not even our racial violence increase is particularily beyond trend yet. Every nazi on the planet now has a global megaphone via twitter, and they realise they have numbers.
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Feb 14, 2017 00:18
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Spangly A posted:nowadays? "the nazis were socialist" is an old rallying cry of the right. Many of the problems of how we view the public aren't new; not even our racial violence increase is particularily beyond trend yet. Every nazi on the planet now has a global megaphone via twitter, and they realise they have numbers. maybe it's louder
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Feb 14, 2017 00:21
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My go-to these days is: what would the sentence have been if the accused was Muslim? In this case, I'm certain he would have been convicted of a terrorism charge and there would have been a custodial sentence. But, like that other neo-nazi who bombed a mosque, killing an old man, it's absolutely not terrorism.
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Feb 14, 2017 00:23
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Tesseraction posted:If anything he was mocking the thread's inward thinking as tacitly national-socialist without admitting that it only cares about socialism in one country. In particular he opened with "glad to find a thread of fellow Strasserites" or something to the effect when he first started poasting in here. Guess I didn't connect it with the thread conversation or anything, I thought he was popping up with edgy non-sequiturs. I probably wasn't paying attention though don't mind me kingturnip posted:My go-to these days is: what would the sentence have been if the accused was Muslim? You can kinda test this theory live
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Feb 14, 2017 01:56
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kingturnip posted:My go-to these days is: what would the sentence have been if the accused was Muslim? The police and CPS have clear guidance that anyone can read, probably the clearest and most accurate details of the prosecution process we can get without getting a law degree: 
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Feb 14, 2017 10:02
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Hey, looks like The Sun have decided to back to posting straight up "ew gays" bullshit and outing people for no apparent reason.
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Feb 14, 2017 10:12
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gently caress the sun
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Feb 14, 2017 10:30
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Baron Corbyn posted:Hey, looks like The Sun have decided to back to posting straight up "ew gays" bullshit and outing people for no apparent reason. Presumably if he were at a poo poo hospital it wouldn't be a story.
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Feb 14, 2017 10:31
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Timonthy.
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Feb 14, 2017 10:33
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Panama Red posted:Please do report back. I'd also love to hear from other posters who go to CLP meetings what the climate seems to be, especially in the run-up to the byelections. Local CLP report - had a visit from a organiser of the Hungry for Justice campaign, an international effort to raise minimum wages and eliminate zero hours contracts and workplace bullying for fast food workers. Traditionally these workers have been hard to organise due to being a very young and transient working population, but due to the lovely state of the economy there are now a lot of "lifers" in the fast food sector who are both very angry with conditions and don't feel they can get something better, and so are actually willing to mobilise. The original target of the campaign was McDonalds, but its now spread to other fast food chains as well as places like Wetherspoons. It was exciting hearing from the guy for two reasons: 1. He was an entertaining firebreathing socialist 2. The campaign has actually won stuff - they are part of the team that did Fight for Fifteen in Seattle, and have a record of improving conditions for staff in franchises around the country. The general idea is that you get in personal contact with workers at a fast food place, meet up with them, and get them to bring their employee's handbook or contract so you can go through it step by step to see if the worker is getting what they have been promised. If they aren't (and they are usually not getting something they are entitled to) the next step is to organise the staff and go to management to demand conditions improve, with the threat either being walkouts by the staff or lobbying of the premises, telling everyone coming into the store that workers are being mistreated. In the majority of cases management back down immediately and get the workers everything they deserve, because people aren't used to dealing with the notion that workers have power anymore. We're organising a day of action in order to help out the campaign and give it Labour's backing, since it's something we can do that connects us very directly to working people in order to improve their lives. In other news, the whole Article 50 vote might weirdly actually do some good in bringing some parts of the party back together. We've had a number of party members who were turned off by Corbyn's elections and the influx of new avowdly left-wing members, but are coming back into the fold now for whatever reasons. Probably both because Corbyn now looks fallible with the membership and that there is now common ground between the centrists and left on the topic of Europe. Having said that, there is very little talk of replacing Corbyn per se - most of the talk is either praising Clive Lewis and co. for making a stand and demands that Labour not give in to talk of abandoning internationalism and immigration.
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Feb 14, 2017 11:10
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Meanwhile, Labour have dropped all investigations into homophobia in Angela Eagle's constituency:quote:Wirral Momentum Kathy Runswick, Chair of Wallasey Constituency Labour Party posted:I am delighted to hear that no disciplinary charges are to be brought against any individual members of Wallasey Constituency Labour Party by the Labour Party in respect of the events at the Wallasey CLP AGM in June 2016. The Labour Party investigation into the AGM has ended with no action against any individual and the Party regards those issues as closed. My guess is that someone will find a reason for Wallasey CLP to be kept suspended since deselection proceedings will probably begin approximately a nanosecond after they are allowed to meet again.
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Feb 14, 2017 11:17
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Was this posted? lol http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-38838653 quote:A police force carried out a controlled explosion on a "suspicious" car outside a station, not realising its own officers had parked it there.
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Feb 14, 2017 11:39
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Tesseraction posted:If anything he was mocking the thread's inward thinking as tacitly national-socialist without admitting that it only cares about socialism in one country. In particular he opened with "glad to find a thread of fellow Strasserites" or something to the effect when he first started poasting in here. Right, and that was boring & dumb because this thread isn't "tacitly national-socialist". "Mainly talking about your local politics" isn't actually only caring about socialism in one country. I'm an internationalist & I'm hardly alone on that. But I try not to talk about much I don't understand so don't have much to say on revolutionary movements in Africa or Asia.
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MikeCrotch posted:Meanwhile, Labour have dropped all investigations into homophobia in Angela Eagle's constituency: That's not how deselection works.
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Feb 14, 2017 12:02
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MikeCrotch posted:My guess is that someone will find a reason for Wallasey CLP to be kept suspended since deselection proceedings will probably begin approximately a nanosecond after they are allowed to meet again. Don't worry, that won't happen. CLPs aren't able to force deselection any more! Baron Corbyn posted:Hey, looks like The Sun have decided to back to posting straight up "ew gays" bullshit and outing people for no apparent reason. Don't forget kids it's absolutely essential we have total freedom of the press (and no right to privacy) so they can expose important stories like this!
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Feb 14, 2017 12:03
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Baron Corbyn posted:Hey, looks like The Sun have decided to back to posting straight up "ew gays" bullshit and outing people for no apparent reason. Maybe he had sex with Tony Gallagher's son or something.
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Feb 14, 2017 12:18
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Can I request a different hospital on the basis I want a hunky pornstar nurse?
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Feb 14, 2017 12:23
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Many people are going to read that and nod approvingly at the wisdom of exposing this guy, because they "wouldn't want to be treated by a gay who most likely has HIV" or something like that
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Feb 14, 2017 12:23
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Ewan posted:I don't understand the motivation behind a story like this. He is a not a well-known person, nor someone in some sort of public office role where you might see why the paper argues it is in the public interest. And it's just not a story that's juicy enough to drum up controversy or interest that might get a few new readers, as 99% of people will not had heard of him (either his porn name or irl). Yet, they identify him by name and age (and I assume a picture), and his life (for at least the next year or so) is likely going to be a misery. porn + gay = bad
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Feb 14, 2017 12:24
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Ewan posted:I don't understand the motivation behind a story like this. He is a not a well-known person, nor someone in some sort of public office role where you might see why the paper argues it is in the public interest. And it's just not a story that's juicy enough to drum up controversy or interest that might get a few new readers, as 99% of people will not had heard of him (either his porn name or irl). Yet, they identify him by name and age (and I assume a picture), and his life (for at least the next year or so) is likely going to be a misery. I can't figure it out either. It feels like there has to be some deeper reason for it like some sort of vendetta. There's probably loads of people who did porn out there doing normal jobs now so why was this bloke singled out? Spurned an advance from someone on The Sun or something? Maybe The Sun is just a lovely publication staffed by lovely people who do lovely things for no reason other than they enjoy doing lovely things.
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Ewan posted:I don't understand the motivation behind a story like this. He is a not a well-known person, nor someone in some sort of public office role where you might see why the paper argues it is in the public interest. And it's just not a story that's juicy enough to drum up controversy or interest that might get a few new readers, as 99% of people will not had heard of him (either his porn name or irl). Yet, they identify him by name and age (and I assume a picture), and his life (for at least the next year or so) is likely going to be a misery. It's shameless clickbait with no news worth or public interest. People should be able to sue for poo poo like this.
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