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Zephro posted:I support whistleblowing etc but I've always wondered about the Katherine Gunn case. What kind of person voluntarily joins a spy agency then finds the idea of bugging the UN so morally unconscionable they can't keep quiet? It's like taking a job at a slaughterhouse even though you're vegetarian or something. I wonder what she thought GCHQ did. I don't get what GCHQ's problem with whistleblowers is though, if they're not doing anything wrong, what are they afraid of? 
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Zephro posted:I support whistleblowing etc but I've always wondered about the Katherine Gunn case. What kind of person voluntarily joins a spy agency then finds the idea of bugging the UN so morally unconscionable they can't keep quiet? It's like taking a job at a slaughterhouse even though you're vegetarian or something. I wonder what she thought GCHQ did. She probably watched a bunch of spy movies and believed that GCHQ was a heroic entity dedicated to protecting freedom and democracy. Like in the awful remake of A Very British Coup, it was called Secret State I think.
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A friend of mine who is a Labour member and I'd consider pretty politically tuned in didn't know there was a by-election in Stoke at all. He knew who Nuttall was but didn't know he was running. All these polls and all this stuff about Corbyn people post I'd love to actually know how many people know anything about it. Why don't these polls ask a few policy questions or other stuff to see if anything that's appearing in the news is sticking? Maybe ask them what Traingate is. As people keep saying in the thread it does feel like anything that happens outside of a GE just doesn't loving matter at all. At least when it comes to the Tories/Labour. Posted not too long ago was a study that showed people vote Tory/Labour because they always have and Libdem/SNP/Green were more of a concious choice. I keep thinking of that study but I can't remember who posted it!
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I don't condone fitting linear trends through polling data like that but.WeAreTheRomans posted:I can't remember the last time I saw a polling company include the R-squared value of a trendline. Political science = toilet science What do you expect the R-squared value of a trendline to prove to you? Think carefully before answering.
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Feb 14, 2017 14:47
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https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/uk-independence-party/news/83307/paul-nuttall-should-%E2%80%98sod-back-where-hePolitics Home posted:Paul Nuttall should ‘sod off back to where he came from’, says Labour rival 
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Feb 14, 2017 14:48
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What a piece of poo poo. https://planetradio.co.uk/city/local/news/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-admits-claims-losing-close-friends-hillsbrough-false/
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Holy lol at this Times quote from the outgoing Met commissioner's final speech:Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe posted:“We can’t afford to have officers think twice because they fear the consequences of shooting someone,” he will tell the Royal United Services Institute (Rusi) today I feel like the consequences of shooting people should be the kind of thing people think twice about, but maybe that's just me?
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Feb 14, 2017 15:05
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Feb 14, 2017 15:10
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Guavanaut posted:There are animal rights activists who get jobs at slaughterhouses and vivisection labs to do just that, it's where most of the photos you see on the streetside animal rights booths come from. Maybe she was doing a similar thing. Quite a bit easier getting a job at a slaughterhouse than getting access to GCHQ. Not impossible, but the DV is a bit of a blocker. Also what consequences for shooting someone? Police get off every loving time.
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MikeCrotch posted:Holy lol at this Times quote from the outgoing Met commissioner's final speech: British politics can be summed up in one quote from The Thick of It: "The Shawshank Redemption but with more tunnelling through poo poo and no redemption". Awful country full of awful people. At least Hogan-Howe is on his way out, presumably to end up replaced by some equally massive bellend
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Looke posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/14/ukip-leader-admits-claim-that-he-lost-close-friends-at-hillsborough-was-false lol what a massive bellend
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MikeCrotch posted:Holy lol at this Times quote from the outgoing Met commissioner's final speech: No, he's right. If a copper really needs to shoot someone the consequences have to take a back seat or he might be the one who gets shot. The problem is that coppers aren't being properly trained to know when shooting is necessary.
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Jedit posted:No, he's right. If a copper really needs to shoot someone the consequences have to take a back seat or he might be the one who gets shot. The problem is that coppers aren't being properly trained to know when shooting is necessary. What consequences???
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mfcrocker posted:What consequences??? Everyone knows you're the murdering copper bastard.
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Jedit posted:Everyone knows you're the murdering copper bastard. Who shot Jean Charles de Menezes? (sounds like the season finalé to some poo poo TV show)
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OwlFancier posted:I'm sure the copper in question would feel just terrible and really, isn't that enough? "Won't somebody think of the poor policeman's career!!!" *dead body of innocent victim is carted off in the background*
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Feb 14, 2017 16:19
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Looke posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/14/ukip-leader-admits-claim-that-he-lost-close-friends-at-hillsborough-was-false The people that are voting for him aren't going to read this story anyway so I don't think it'll make a difference at all.
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Taear posted:The people that are voting for him aren't going to read this story anyway so I don't think it'll make a difference at all. Its since made it to other sites, like Yahoo, etc. The readers hear, but it doesn't support their narrative so they dismiss out of hand - the general gist of the comments is 'FAKE NEWS!!!!!' 'Politican lies? This is news. Still, VOTE UKIP' 'So what - Muslims OUT!'
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Feb 14, 2017 17:41
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Tigey posted:Its since made it to other sites, like Yahoo, etc. The readers hear, but it doesn't support their narrative so they dismiss out of hand - the general gist of the comments is 'FAKE NEWS!!!!!' 'Politican lies? This is news. Still, VOTE UKIP' 'So what - Muslims OUT!' I work in a place with a lot of Leave voters and it really doesn't matter what anything says or does, their minds are made up. In the same way as immigration is a settled thing - it's bad. I don't know how anyone expects to change the minds of people who don't believe anything they're told any more.
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Taear posted:I work in a place with You can apply exactly the same logic to any number of leftwing causes.
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Out of all of last year, forget Brexit, forget Trump and forget Princess Leia dying. Fake News is literally the worst thing to have happened
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Feb 14, 2017 17:56
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just changed energy supplier to an all renewable one that will be a fair bit cheaper than who i was on  they'll do everything for me as well in terms of changing
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Looks like they've pulled that article from the Sun The address bar has "legal-removal" in it.
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Feb 14, 2017 18:20
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Taear posted:I work in a place with a lot of Leave voters and it really doesn't matter what anything says or does, their minds are made up. The tactic our local CLP is considering is the classic improv trick of "Yes, and..." with response to immigration. So if someone on the doorstep says "Immigration is terrible, my grandkid can't get a job" you respond with "Yes, it's terrible your grandkid can't get a job. That's why Labour is committed to eliminating youth unemployment via apprentice schemes and incentives." Then ask if they would still be concerned about immigration. Just telling people NO UR WRONG is a pretty bad way of convincing anyone that you're right.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/uk-independence-party/news/83307/paul-nuttall-should-%E2%80%98sod-back-where-he Says the guy from Surrey. How did he get through the selection process? I live and work in Stoke (can't vote in the by election though, I'm a trentham posho shhhhh) and UKIP posters are everywhere, they have that big base in Hanley. Haven't seen anything like that from Labour. If UKIP somehow lose Stoke central it will cement their electoral incompetence. Pantsuit fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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MikeCrotch posted:Just telling people NO UR WRONG is a pretty bad way of convincing anyone that you're right. I'm not doing that. No matter what evidence, no matter what you say, you're just not believed. People don't believe anything any more. My mum's a teacher and as much as she hates what the Tories have done to the education system you couldn't persuade her to vote (at all) because she believes everyone's just as bad. Sure there's policies that can show it'd get better but she doesn't believe they'd do that. Time after time the same thing happens. Over and over. Take the BBC going to stoke today and some people saying they voted leave to say "listen to us" to the elites. Okay, but what do they want the elites to do? Because the Tories aren't going to help them to get a job but they don't believe anyone will.
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Pantsuit posted:If UKIP somehow lose Stoke central it will cement their electoral incompetence. Yet not their irrelevancy, as the beeb and the papers will comtimue to seek out a UKIP opinion on everything aouth of Hadrian's wall, and on a few things north of it too.
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Feb 14, 2017 18:45
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Feb 14, 2017 18:50
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Feb 14, 2017 18:52
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Usually those articles about what a great "troll" JK Rowling is are pretty eye-rolling (eye-Rowling?) stuff, but this was actually perfectly constructed on her part, kudos
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Feb 14, 2017 18:56
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e -Never mind I am being an idiot.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Usually those articles about what a great "troll" JK Rowling is are pretty eye-rolling (eye-Rowling?) stuff, but this was actually perfectly constructed on her part, kudos
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I see Labour have somehow contrived to have a candidate as poo poo as Nuttall standing in Stoke  With regards to the general public and voting, my work is very militant and politically switched on but I know a scary amount of people who didn't vote in the general election and actively ignore the news in favour of loving Hollyoaks.
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so has anyone in the thread sat down and worked out the easiest and cheapest way to cause mass disruption yet? my idea is def burning waste at 6am at junctions of the m20. Nice, victimless, easy to clean, total chaos.
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