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Spangly A posted:so has anyone in the thread sat down and worked out the easiest and cheapest way to cause mass disruption yet?
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Bacon Terrorist posted:I see Labour have somehow contrived to have a candidate as poo poo as Nuttall standing in Stoke I can't help but wonder if this is one of the early warning signs about the degradation of Labour's infrastructure in its traditional safe seats. The North has been neglected for a long, long time, and after two leadership contests and the referendum, pretty much every CLP is running on fumes. They need time to fundraise, reorganise, and put that giant membership influx to use.
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Spangly A posted:my idea is def burning waste at 6am at junctions of the m20. Nice, victimless, easy to clean, total chaos. It won't be victimless when you cause a pileup, will it.
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Spangly A posted:so has anyone in the thread sat down and worked out the easiest and cheapest way to cause mass disruption yet? Only takes a few minutes to vote Conservative.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:22
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i would hope everyone could see a pile of burning waste in the middle of the road, but alas i am not an optometrist and do not know how good your eyes are
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Feb 14, 2017 20:23
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Burning things produces smoke which tends to obscure vision.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:25
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Go be a rowdy poor near some Mail journalists, that should get some good headlines about the sky falling.
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Pissflaps posted:Burning things produces smoke which tends to obscure vision. fire tends to be bright
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Feb 14, 2017 20:29
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no you see the huge plume of smoke will render visibility to 0, hiding the fire and everything around you
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Feb 14, 2017 20:32
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Momentum are building a grassroots campaign to… watch movies instead of win important by-elections, I guess? https://twitter.com/peoplesmomentum/status/831499527676911617
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Feb 14, 2017 20:33
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Bacon Terrorist posted:I know a scary amount of people who didn't vote in the general election and actively ignore the news in favour of loving Hollyoaks. This is pretty normal, and the latter is technically better for peace of mind. If the Simpsons-Fresh Prince combo was still around today I know what I'd be watching.
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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TinTower posted:Momentum are building a grassroots campaign to… watch movies instead of win important by-elections, I guess? yeah it's almost like media influences people COME ON
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Feb 14, 2017 20:35
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TinTower posted:Momentum are building a grassroots campaign to… watch movies instead of win important by-elections, I guess? you're a lib dem
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Feb 14, 2017 20:35
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TinTower posted:Momentum are building a grassroots campaign to… watch movies instead of win important by-elections, I guess? This is dense, even by your standards. Which is pretty dense, you think liberalism is an answer to anything except continued inequality.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:36
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Feb 14, 2017 20:38
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Paxman posted:Not a Momentum fan but I think it's fairly common for political movements to do things which bring members together and remind them what they're fighting for, ie to rehash arguments which the members already agree with in a speech or whatever. Why not a film? Exactly; do this after the by-elections. There's only a week until the by-elections and if Labour need any chance to retain the seats, they need everyone in a fifty mile radius to be knocking on doors. The reason Ed Balls lost his seat is because all of the Labour activists in Yorkshire were flooding into Sheffield instead. TinTower fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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Not a Momentum fan but I think it's fairly common for political movements to do things which bring members together and remind them what they're fighting for, ie to rehash arguments which the members already agree with in a speech or whatever. Why not a film? Maybe it could have waited until after the by elections though.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:43
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TinTower posted:I don't think Momentum members particularly need I, Daniel Blake to influence them. you can't seriously be defending your position. Sixteen Films, the people doing it, aren't momentum. It's a retweet.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:43
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Building communal bonds between activists fosters a better political spirit, keeps morale up, and helps to motivate your activists. We do socials every couple months and it always sees a spike in the rest of our activities.
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Spangly A posted:fire tends to be bright Yeah about that http://www.torontosun.com/2016/10/19/thick-smoke-from-controlled-burn-causes-multiple-car-crashes
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Feb 14, 2017 20:44
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jfc who even decided byelections were these massively significant make-or-break moments in the first place? At best, like polls they're a barometer of prevailing public opinion which could well be completely different at the next GE. The whole press narrative about labour seems to hold them to an entirely arbitrary standard and level of scrutiny that no other political party nationwide is held to. They're also boring as poo poo to hear about, to be honest, it's the most inside baseball thing in British politics with the possible exception of PMQs.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:45
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Not guilty you say? Plan's a goodun, any other suggestions?
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Feb 14, 2017 20:45
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Spangly A posted:fire tends to be bright Looke posted:no you see the huge plume of smoke will render visibility to 0, hiding the fire and everything around you This thread harbours the keenest minds in all of Something Awful.
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TomViolence posted:jfc who even decided byelections were these massively significant make-or-break moments in the first place? At best, like polls they're a barometer of prevailing public opinion which could well be completely different at the next GE. The whole press narrative about labour seems to hold them to an entirely arbitrary standard and level of scrutiny that no other political party nationwide is held to. Oh dear have we now decided that literal elections don't matter now as well as the polls?
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Pissflaps posted:Oh dear have we now decided that literal elections don't matter now as well as the polls? I'm sure they matter, but jesus christ hearing about them endlessly like the latest one will definitively prove labour is done as a political party and UKIP is their new replacement is a stretch every drat time.
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Personal insults, really 'flaps? I thought better of you 
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TomViolence posted:jfc who even decided byelections were these massively significant make-or-break moments in the first place? At best, like polls they're a barometer of prevailing public opinion which could well be completely different at the next GE. The whole press narrative about labour seems to hold them to an entirely arbitrary standard and level of scrutiny that no other political party nationwide is held to. Not saying media coverage of Labour isn't kind of skewed, but UKIP getting a seat in Parliament or the Conservatives extending their uncomfortably narrow majority are kind of significant deals. Plus, it generally pays to pay attention to local politics - it's how the Republicans managed to totally dominate the American government, after all:
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TomViolence posted:jfc who even decided byelections were these massively significant make-or-break moments in the first place? At best, like polls they're a barometer of prevailing public opinion which could well be completely different at the next GE. The whole press narrative about labour seems to hold them to an entirely arbitrary standard and level of scrutiny that no other political party nationwide is held to. They're snap elections that test the public mood on a small scale. Failing to hold a seat indicates something is shifting. Goldsmith losing was a big deal. The prospect of Labour losing is arguably a bigger deal because the opposition should not lose byelections
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Spangly A posted:Not guilty you say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nagC41Pe4c4
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Darth Walrus posted:Not saying media coverage of Labour isn't kind of skewed, but UKIP getting a seat in Parliament or the Conservatives extending their uncomfortably narrow majority are kind of significant deals. Plus, it generally pays to pay attention to local politics - it's how the Republicans managed to totally dominate the American government, after all: Yes; the Tory majority effectively growing by 25% is not what any of us want. This is why council elections are more important than the thread seems to realise; council elections build up an activist base that you can utilise in parliamentary elections. You don't win elections if you don't sacrifice your shoe leather in the process.
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Darth Walrus posted:Not saying media coverage of Labour isn't kind of skewed, but UKIP getting a seat in Parliament or the Conservatives extending their uncomfortably narrow majority are kind of significant deals. Plus, it generally pays to pay attention to local politics - it's how the Republicans managed to totally dominate the American government, after all: kustomkarkommando posted:They're snap elections that test the public mood on a small scale. Failing to hold a seat indicates something is shifting. I understand the concept well enough, I just don't subscribe to the idea that they are in fact as important as they're made out. Or rather, if they are important indicators of future electoral failure or success it's much more due to the media narrative constructed around them rather than facts on the ground.
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TomViolence posted:I understand the concept well enough, I just don't subscribe to the idea that they are in fact as important as they're made out. Or rather, if they are important indicators of future electoral failure or success it's much more due to the media narrative constructed around them rather than facts on the ground. This might seem old fashioned to fans of Corbyn's Labour but the election of members of parliament is, in fact, a big deal for those who wish to form a government.
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TomViolence posted:I understand the concept well enough, I just don't subscribe to the idea that they are in fact as important as they're made out. Or rather, if they are important indicators of future electoral failure or success it's much more due to the media narrative constructed around them rather than facts on the ground. Seems we're getting our excuses in early.
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Christ alive, there's no need to be condescending pricks-- *checks usernames* oh, you do need to. Carry on.
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Listen lads just because it makes Labour's legislative agenda mechanically harder to carry out doesn't mean anything changes if they lose by-elections. *states wistfully towards 2020 with total loving insanity blinkers on*
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The tories already have a majority and labour is already useless, byelections aren't gonna change that.
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TomViolence posted:The tories already have a majority and labour is already useless, byelections aren't gonna change that. At what point will Corbyn fans admit that this whole exercise has just been a massive troll of labour voters? There's just no other explanation at this point.
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Serotonin posted:I didn't spot them use the term male nurse which in my eyes is also a step forward. gently caress that stupid term. I'd love to think it was progress but I'm willing to bet they realised they'd get a lot more clicks from "Nurse did porn" rather than "male nurse did gay porn" as a headline.
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TinTower posted:Yes; the Tory majority effectively growing by 25% is not what any of us want. Yea turnouts of 200 out of 20,000 are really important and paint a national picture.
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TomViolence posted:The tories already have a majority and labour is already useless, byelections aren't gonna change that.
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