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I appreciate that this is a story where one of the surest signs of impending doom is seeing anime girls.
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Holy. poo poo.ProfessorProf posted:
Beato is Kinzo. I was half being silly before, but liked it as it would explain Kinzo's flair for the dramatic and opportunity during the first chapters, but now I'm almost 90 percent sure. And the rest of you have gone off about rape babies and possessions, so gently caress it, all aboard the crazy train, TOOT TOOT  Hypothesis: Kinzo was keeping a girl he named Beatrice in his secret mansion, and that girl died in 1967 when Rosa takes her out. When Kinzo eventually finds out that the girl he raised as his lovely Beatrice is dashed upon the rocks, he breaks. He's been searching, and implied trying to make his lost love for his whole life, and now she's gone and he is about to die and he can't handle that. So he finally bids farewell to the last vestiges of his sanity and deals with the death of his dreams by becoming Beatrice. I don't really know how that works, or if it actually involves running around in a red dress and a pipe, but I believe there are moments where he becomes Beatrice and something about him changes- stance, manner, gaze, language, possibly a falsetto- that the servants recognize and were ordered by Genji, or perhaps decided for their safety to indulge. These moments might be tied to where Kinzo happens to be at the time: for instance, he's Kinzo in his room, but in his secret gold room, he's Beatrice- that scene in the garden, then, was all about Kinzo trying to communicate with his other self, whom he now cannot reach because he can't see it anymore. So that bit in Ep2 with Shannon and Kanon was actually done by Kinzo-as-Beatrice, which they indulged because of the legend (and, hey, if your boss suddenly says that he's now a thousand year old blonde witch, who are you to argue?); there is no need for Kinzo to throw the ring out the window, or else he just picks it up as Beatrice in the garden; there's no need for an incredible story to explain the letter and umbrella, because Kinzo-as-Beatrice gave her both, and probably have a long relationship based on Kinzo-as-Beatrice saying "Hey, I'm Beatrice disguised as your grandpa", and he taught her all the ways of magic. Hell, he might even have brought Maria to Kuwadorian or the gold room as Beatrice already, and not know about it- they might be accomplices together, and through Maria's stories, know about her abuse and resentment of it. Thus, the massacre comes about as Kizo's desire to revive Beatrice, and "Beatrice's" desire to avenge Maria's abuse and enablers of her abusers. So how might this work in the murders? Legend: Pretty much follows the first theory I had about this case: Kinzo, through the help Genji and Kuwabara, kills Rudolph, Kyrie, Krauss, Rosa, Gohda, and Shannon, and locks them up in the shed, painting the symbol. He might have done Natsuhi too, but noticed that Maria's scorpion amulet is on the door, and thinks that's a sign from Maria to leave her alone. Then, somebody (Kinzo or Kuwabara) reuses Krauss' body in the furnace, and someone else, possibly Kinzo, goes to Eva's room and kills Eva and Hideyoshi, locks the door from inside, and hides in the wardrobe, sneaking out when everyone's back is turned. Then the body downstairs is discovered, and somebody kills Kanon- that is probably Kinzo, as it would explain why Kanon suddenly went off about gambling. Then, after the letter is placed (by either Genji, Kuwabara, or Maria) and Natsuhi kicks the servants, Nanjo, and Maria out of the office, they go to the room and Kinzo comes in; he tells Maria to face the wall and sing a loud song as the servants are told to kill Nanjo, and then themselves, leaving the grandkids and Natsuhi. Then, fully Beatrice, Kinzo meets Natsuhi with a gun and either outdraws her or convinces her to kill herself. Seagulls cry, no one left alive. Turn: Modified theory: I'd say that someone is hired to pose as Beatrice, but that would contradict the red, so somebody is disguised as Beatrice (I'm thinking Shannon) and paraded in front of Rosa and Kyrie to grant a story. Then, Kinzo Genji and Kuwabara (possibly Kanon and Shannon) kill Krauss, Natsuhi, Eva, Hideyoshi, Rudolph, and Kyrie, leaving Maria with her Mom and a Halloween treat supporting magic and witches. Then, presumably to cover their tracks (but possibly as a punishment to Kanon for forgetting his role as furniture/denying love for Jessica), Kinzo goes to Jessica's room and threatens to kill Jessica if Kanon doesn't kill him. And then something happens somewhere; either Jessica gets killed accidentally or on purpose (through protecting Kanon or catching a bullet) and Kanon, wounded and pissed off, swears off his identity as Kanon and leaves. Then, later, a vengeful not-Kanon visits the kitchen and manages to kill Kuwabara and Nanjo before being subdued and put down or escapes again, and Kinzo drags the bodies to the garden for the gouging. Then Kinzo and Genji come upon the group in Natsuhi's room and kill them, and lock the door using Krauss' key/ Kinzo's Original Way Do Not Steal to get back to Kinzo's room, they meet Battler there, and kill him. Then, Maria and Rosa escape with the gold and either meet with an accident on the cliff, are killed by a kill-crazy not-Kanon, or Maria, disgruntled that her mom still hits her, shoots Rosa and then herself. Seagulls cry, no one left alive. Banquet: Here the script is flipped a little bit because Kinzo dies first thing. Kinzo invites all the servants and Nanjo up to his room and tells them they have to die in order to set up the closed room puzzle except for somebody, who will fake it and be misdiagnosed by Nanjo. Both Shannon and Kanon look like they have the easiest to fake wounds, and given the weird references to "she" later in the profiles, I think it's Shannon. Then the letters are left and the chain built, with Kinzo being the last or second to last link, but suppose Kinzo didn't mean to die, then? What if this plan was happened upon by Hideyoshi and Eva, or perhaps by Hideyoshi who later got Eva, or possibly Hideyoshi himself. So the servants proceed as normal, but Kinzo is confronted by Hideyoshi and killed, or perhaps is tricked into the furnace and trapped there and burned by Hideyoshi, who leaves a cigarette behind in his haste. So the chain is a complete one, Kyrie notices a cigarette out of place pockets it secretly and Nanjo misdiagnoses Shannon as planned, leaving her free to move about and ensure the master/Beatrice's will is followed. But Eva solves the story first, and inherits a personality of her own fueled by greed and ambition, and... possibly is met by Shannon who claims her as the new Beatrice. First to go is Rosa, who tried to blackmail Eva; first Eva feigns sickness to give herself an alibi, Maria gets Rosa out of the house and Shannon kills them both, apologizing to Maria while doing so (this would explain Maria's feelings of betrayal, as the entire idea of the Epitaph is to give her a life free of abuse). So now Kyrie, suspecting Hideyoshi and Eva due to the cigarette, gets Rudolph to get Hideyoshi alone ostensibly on a food run, and this goes pear shaped somehow: either all three have a shootout and kill each other, or one walks away and is then ganked by Shannon. At this point, Eva kills Krauss and Natsuhi out of paranoia or perhaps spite, and George is lured away by Shannon somehow and killed, possibly in retribution for having to kill Maria. Then George's body is discovered, Jessica is blinded, and both Nanjo and she are killed by Shannon. Then, Eva kills Battler, finds Shannon and kills her, and either sets the mansion on fire to cover her tracks and hides out in Kuwadorian, or does a lot of bribing. Seagulls cry, one left alive, Eva goes on to be miserable and use Ange as a punching bag for the rest of her life And in Alliance, Kinzo is Beatrice again, and is as we speak pulling out a gun and shooting his kids right now, or perhaps tipping the wink to Genji and Kuwabara to do the same. It's not without holes, but drat it, it feels about as right as theories about Shannon being a vengeful product of rape or Beatrice being this Raver spirit thing. resurgam40 fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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"*cackle*cackle*cackle*cackle*cackle* Fuhhahahahahahahahahaha...!! Welcome to Rokkenjima, ladies and gentlemen. Why the frightened face, Evaa?"
"N-No, why would I be frightened...! I'm just relieved to find you in excellent spirits, Father..."
"Wahhahhahhahhahhahha...!! Evaa, you're as amusing as ever, aren't yoou? Why don't you just honestly say how frustrated you are at losing your bet with Krauss? *cackle*cackle* You can't say it, can you? *cackle*cackle*!!"
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I for one would like to go in another direction with my own theory. At this point I'm certain these are fictional accounts written by the culprit, then spread by message bottle. And that brings me to another realization; all of the accounts of the people in this story are from the culprit's point of view. Which means by examining them, one can determine how the culprit viewed each person. If the culprit is Shannon, in the process of being taken over by Beatrice, then the depictions of the Ushiromiya family would be based on a combination of her and Beatrice's opinions of them, opinions built up over a long life of suffering and torment by these very same people. It's why we see the adult siblings depected so negatively; Krauss as an incompetent investor, Eva as a ruthless bitch, Rudolph as an adulterer, and Rosa as a cruel mother. Shannon would have no doubt overheard snippets of conversation over her time as a servant, and in some cases had direct exposure (Eva and Rosa through Maria, for instance; Eva tormented her directly, and Maria no doubt related how ruthless a mother Rosa was). She would know everything about them. Beatrice's nature as a manifestation of Shannon's suppressed anger towards the Ushiromiyas would make her writings about them absolutely negative, and it shows. Every single negative aspect in each sibling is brought out and placed under the spotlight consistently throughout the episodes. In contrast, the cousins; George, Jessica, Battler, Kanon, and Maria, are all written about positively. George is especially glowing, which is no surprise considering Shannon loves him, but at the same time he's depicted as completely clueless, which would be Beatrice's negative view of him and his inability to actually help Shannon. Maria is written about with both innocence and hidden intelligence, something Shannon and Beatrice would have both ascertained over multiple tea parties with her, as well as by being her close friend and teacher. Kanon is depicted as both caring for Shannon and antagonistic towards Beatrice...it's a testament towards both Shannon's love towards him as a brother and Beatrice's (grudging) respect towards him as an admirable opponent. I'm confused on what to make of Kinzo here however. I'm of the opinion that he's dead and this Kinzo is a puppet being played by Beatrice as a final insult to the Ushiromiyas - she's telling all of them that they're absolutely incompetent and incapable, reflecting her (and Shannon's) poor view of them. More importantly, it's the ultimate insult to the monster's legacy - not simply by stealing his body, but also by having him destroy everything he's worked towards building his entire life - it replaces the Ushiromiya's honor with that of a dysfunctional family torn apart by rivalry and petty squabbling in the eyes of the world. Which is why he's going to murder everyone.  There can be no better revenge on the monster and his family that destroyed her life. Not only did she murder them, but she also ruined their legacy and family name. And through the message bottles; she succeeded.  Edit: resurgam40 posted:Beato is Kinzo. I was half being silly before, but liked it as it would explain Kinzo's flair for the dramatic and opportunity during the first chapters, but now I'm almost 90 percent sure. I like this theory and have to admit I find it compelling...but at this point I hate Kinzo too much to entertain any thoughts other than his humiliation and painful death. Lycaeon fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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I see we've come back to our regularly scheduled anime bullshit, complete with a new vocaloid rabbit and everything.
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Kinzo is loving shooting everyone with not one, not two, but THREE rifles. How is he holding the third one?
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EagerSleeper posted:Kinzo is loving shooting everyone with not one, not two, but THREE rifles. alcharagia posted:
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Feb 14, 2017 19:52
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Note that the third bunnygirl has only one eye. 
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EagerSleeper posted:Kinzo is loving shooting everyone with not one, not two, but THREE rifles.
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SardonicTyrant posted:Note that the third bunnygirl has only one eye. Hey, you stop that. This is a family murder game show.
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Lycaeon posted:
I think this makes a lot of sense. And it's also a great illustration of the series' tagline: Sayo bore no love for the elder Ushiromiyas, so she couldn't recognize their good points. Writing out the scenarios gave her a chance to express all of her pent-up anger, much like how Maria found an outlet for her frustration in her diary. Furthermore, it makes sense to consider Maria's descent into spite and black magic in reaction to her abuse as a potentially parallel story to Sayo's own. All of that talk about witches recognizing witches comes off as a desire on her part to be seen by the people around her, to have someone validate her experiences and help her see a way out of her situation. Because she worked at the Ushiromiya household since she was a gradeschooler, she really couldn't see any reality except the one she was in: the fantasy of demons, witches, and magic circles was more real to her than the idea of moving to Tokyo and being a normal person. Nobody, not even her fiancé or best friend, came close to knowing her that deeply. And Maria was only in it for the make-believe. So I wonder if she views Battler as her last hope to be seen and understood. It kind of makes sense when you take in Lycaeon's interpretation of the storytelling here: he's a protagonist with good intentions and determination, even if he's a weird pervert. (Maybe she got the latter from knowing Rudolf? More likely that was just how he was when she last saw him 6 years ago, when he was a gross middle schooler.) He's not doing a great job of that, though. edit: oh yeah, Kinzotrice. Well, I still think he's dead? witchcore ricepunk fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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about Shannon as an unreliable narrator
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The Seven Sisters' Valentine ---------------------------- Original Translation by 7HS of Touhou Danmakufu Wiki. Edited by tiistai and oath2order    BGM: Fishy Aroma It must be larger than the average household bathtub. ...Naturally, since it's meant for stewing Human meat after all. What's brewing in the pot? A deadly dish...? Or a disgusting method of torture...? In the cauldron filled with hot water there floats a bowl, with several kinds of chopped-up, tasty-looking chocolate inside...   "Now then, madams and misses in front of the television, are you ready? Once the chocolate is heated and melted throughout, pour it into the bowl of cold water that we prepared beforehand. And then stir, stir and stir some more. If you do not take care, the edges will harden. Stir and stir, so that the once molten hearts of men won't grow cold."...The host of this year's homemade Valentine's Day chocolate special seems to be truly enjoying himself. "Since the tempering is complete, let us continue by squeezing the chocolate into bite-size circles. Look, is that not just perfect? Like a chocolate cookie, if I do say so myself."With a practiced movement and elegant overacting, Ronove lightly pounded out chocolate medals one after the other. "Next, ladies, please show me your originality by decorating it to your own taste. I shall merely suggest nuts as a basis. Almonds, pistachios, cashew nuts. Walnuts and tea leaves are wonderful as well. The demons' special recipe calls for it to be decorated with devil's trumpet seeds and angel's trumpet flowers. When he eats it, perhaps you'll mysteriously find out the name of the girl he likes! Valentine's Day is the celebration of a maiden's dreams...! I, Ronove, sincerely wish that you shall remember this wonderful and precious day for the rest of your life. Pukkukkukku!"*Author's Note:* The seeds of devil's trumpet and the flowers of angel's trumpet are poisonous to human bodies. Don't eat them! "But of course. Because Humans will be eating the chocolate this time, let us not use any poisonous plants. Once you cool this in the refrigerator, it is complete. Now, a round of applause for our lovely ladies. Pukkukku!" Ronove placed the chocolate in a beautiful decorative box, suitable for presentation to his mistress, Beatrice. "It would be best if Milady were to make her own Valentine's chocolate, but there are times when this shoddy chocolate of mine can capture a gentleman's heart as well."Apart from Beato's share, there was still plenty of chocolate left over. Ronove brought his hands together, and the sound of his clapping echoed throughout the kitchen.   Beelzebub was the first one to appear, appearing from the water-filled cauldron with a splash.  From inside the refrigerator and the pots, from here and there and everywhere, hands and feet began to emerge and the Seven Sisters appeared one after another.   "Spying on you was shameful...""Think nothing of it. After all, the seven of you are maidens. It is only proper for a maiden's heart to throb faster on Valentine's Day! For all of you to be so curious, that is only natural." "Ronove-sama~, can I eat it? I wanna eat it, I wanna eat it now!" "Geez, can't you act more like an adult, Beelz?! Don't count your chickens before they hatch!"Satan scolded the excited Beelzebub. The Seven Sisters of Purgatory were lively as usual today. "Not so hasty, everyone. I said that I would share this chocolate with you, but I did not say a word about letting you to eat it.""E-eeeeeeeeeeeeeh...!! B-but... Chocolate we can't eat, that's too much, it's torture!" "Do not be disappointed, everyone. This is Valentine's chocolate, is it not? It is chocolate for that wonderful day when a woman gives chocolate to a man." "I-I see... So, should we hand this chocolate over to a man?""You are mistaken, Lucifer. It is not ‘handing over'. It is giving a present to the man who is foremost in each of your hearts. Is it not the long-awaited Valentine's Day? This world is but a twisted place in which you exist to kill or be killed! Is this not a precious behind-the-scenes interlude? Please, allow yourselves to enjoy the bittersweet feelings of a young maiden's heart. This is the gift that I wish to share with you.""""""""*chatter*chatter*!""""""" The Seven Sisters were surprised by this unexpected development. So instead of gouging the opposite sex with their stakes, they should give them chocolate...  Since the affairs of love and lust are Asmodeus's number one interest, her cheeks flushed red as she giggled gleefully. "My, my. It seems Asmo is the most enthusiastic. Let us congratulate her. Now, all of you, one by one, If nobody of the opposite sex who interests you, the same sex is fine. Anyway, definitely give it to somebody. If you do not...""If we do not...?"Lucifer asked timidly... But Ronove did not answer, merely smiled with a grin. On occasions like this, Ronove can be quite terrifying. If you complain too much, you might get scolded. When he smiles, you had better play along. Thus, the Seven Sisters were given Valentine's Day as their duty...     """"""Yees, Onee-sama!""""""When Lucifer ordered the deployment, the Seven Sisters popped out all at once and dashed out of the kitchen as if flying, the clatter of pots and pans sounding behind them. Now then, to whom will each of the Seven Sisters of Purgatory give their chocolate...? It is quite an ordinary thing for them to pierce and gouge with a stake; this dangerous task is their exclusive specialty. But giving chocolate is something they have no experience with. Even when ordered to give it to somebody, it isn't such a simple matter to decide on the partner. However, it seems that Asmo, with her head perpetually filled with romantic thoughts, has already made her decision long ago.  BGM: HANE "Hehheheheh~? Of course I have~! It's the prince on the white horse who made his appearance in EP4! Of course, I'm talking about Amakusa Juuza-sama!""...Ah, Amakusa. Haa... Figures, I didn't think of him...""Who do you think you're talking to, Onee-samas?! Of course I checked out all the new male characters~ Isn't Juuza-sama wonderful? He's such a hottie, and he's so stoic and a little wild too but despite that he's not unfashionable... Aah, that's it, I'm going first~!!"As soon as she said that, Asmo transformed into a stake and flew off. Being curious about how giving the chocolate would go for her, the other sisters followed her.  ...Pretty straightforward... or, more like, it was a total frontal assault.  "T-that courage... Isn't she the least bit flustered by this?!""I heard that men fall to the first taker... I suppose the whole sniping-from-the-shadows strategy isn't popular nowadays...""Shouldn't she be a little more bashful about it?! Ah, jeez, she was totally upfront about it! Kids these days...!"The elder sisters were quietly muttering about her from the shadows. Amakusa was not embarrassed and received the chocolate with a smile. ...The way he did it, like he was used to this sort of thing, may be irritating to men but from a woman's perspective it's suave rather then suspicious.  "<Thanks, cute> young lady. Did you make this yourself?""Yup, that's right. I made it just for your sake, Amakusa-sama~!""T-that girl, lying with a straight face...!""It's impossible for Amakusa to tell whether Asmo really made it herself! It's Devil's Proof!""But that drat Asmo, she sure seems used to this... She must've practiced until it's second nature to her.""What the hell are we doing?! Have we been outdone by our youngest sister?! Aren't you ashamed?!"As expected of Asmodeus of Lust. She used a shortcut to bypass the whole galge and had gotten a perfect score. Happily sitting side by side with him and unwrapping the packaging, she treated Amakusa to Ronove's specially made chocolate. "Here, Amakusa-sama! Say aaah~~?""Aaah." "S-she really is something else... This is the first time Asmo's made me shiver like that...""Mmm~, that really looks tasty. Whyyy do I have to give it away? I wanna eat it myself!"As usual, Beelzebub of Gluttony grumbled about having to give the chocolate away. However, Amakusa's next words caused her ears to perk like a cat's.  "Oh wooow, really, Amakusa-sama!! Kyaah, I can't wait, kyaah~!!"Asmo leapt to her feet with delight at the promise. And in the shadows, Beelzebub also leapt to her feet with delight for a slightly different reason. "That... That's right, if I give chocolate as a present, on White Day I'll get three times as much back! It's like rags to riches! If I'm patient now, I'll get a lot more back on White Day! Beelz, you're no fool, you can definitely endure this for a month if it's for the sake of sweets!"Beelz considers the time between Valentine's Day and White Day, calculating whether she can endure the sacrifice of chocolate for the profit it will bring later. The moment she figured that out, she took action. In short, from whom does she want a return gift on White Day? The partner receiving her chocolate was very easy to imagine. In other words, it was the one who would make the most delicious return gift on White Day.  BGM: FAR "Oh, yes, Gohda-samaa. I made the best chocolate I could, thinking of yooou. Please eat it~!"Sure enough, she gave it to Gohda... "What a self-interested girl", grumbled the other sisters. Unlike Amakusa, Gohda did not seem to have much experience with receiving Valentine's chocolates. He seemed to be rather bewildered.  "Oh, hahaha... I never imagined I'd get such delicious-looking chocolate from such a young girl at my age... I'm a little embarrassed, nahahahaha...""C'mon, eat it up, eat it! Then on White Day, please give me three times as much back! Won't yooouu?"Gohda ate the chocolate in a single gulp, his face completely red. ...But his cheeks returned to normal in an instant. ...Oh no, was it not delicious...?  BGM: NONE "Y... yeah, that's right. I made it!"As Beelz shamelessly lied, Gohda stood up straight... There was nothing uncertain about his expression.  BGM: DIR "It's been a long time since such a taste has awoken me, Gohda, from mediocrity. This skill... This is a challenge, young lady! Whooooooooah! Such splendid chocolate from such a young girl! One month remains until White Day! I must depart for Belgium for training immediately! I, Godha, shall not be defeated by a taste such as thiiiiiiiiiis!!" "I get it. Well, the basic idea, anyway. Since there's no avoiding it, I'll be giving my chocolate away as well.""Eh, what, Mammon...! Who are you giving it to...?!"Without answering, Mammon turned into a stake and flew away with a clatter.  "It's not just for you, share it with Ange-sama... speaking of which, where is Ange-sama?" "Uryu, she said she wanted to give chocolate to Battler and Amakusa, so she went shopping in Ginza.""Ah, so Ange-sama would rather use her money then make it herself. Well, I'm sure she'll be back before long.""I'm sure Ange won't expect to get her own share of chocolate! Let's surprise her!"That's a nice idea. Afterwards, why don't we invite Lady MARIA too? There's no rule against girls eating chocolate on Valentine's.""Uryuu! I want to eat it, Mammon's chocolate, I want to eat it soon, uryuu!""*giggle* Why not have your bite now?""I will!""Hehehe, as for what I'd like to bite... Aah, Sakutaro, I can't hold myself back anymooore, I'm gonna fluff you up~?""Ugyu?! Gyaah! Stop it, Mammon~~, ugyu~, uryu~!""Fluffy, so fluffy~! Aah, hey hey, can I nibble on your ears too...?""No, you can't, you can't, uryuu~~~!" "While this is a pretty heartwarming story, she's just casually hogging him even though Sakutaro belongs to aaall of us!""Who's next? It feels like we're going from youngest to oldest.""...In that case, I will go next.""Belpha, you have an idea?""There's no man who is foremost in my heart, so to speak, but I do have a connection to a Human.""Oh, I get it."The next one to fly away was Belphegor. As for the Human she had a connection with, it couldn't have been anyone other but Rudolf.  BGM: MONOCHROME CLOCK "I don't know whether it's proper to give chocolate to a married man, but please accept this as acknowledgement of a worthy opponent." "Y-yes, well, I'm doing as usual." "You're way too honest for a she-devil... I've seen many women like you who burden themselves with needless responsibilities. It looks like you're having a hard time, so that's the reason I worried.""...T-there is nothing to be concerned about. I am exemplary furniture, so I did my duty."Normally, no one worries about Belpha, so when Rudolf was open-minded enough to be concerned about her, she was bewildered. Kindness is her weakness. "Not so honest anymore, are you? That side of you is pretty cute.""Wh-what do you mean I'm not honest... H-hey, you're getting too close... You stink of tobacco...!""What do I mean...? Lend me your ears and I'll whisper it to you...""M-my ears? V-very well..." ...Rudolf's mouth moved toward her ear, and...     "Uwa, uwauwauwa... o-obscene... hahiih~!""Luci-nee, this isn't something we should be watching! That bastard, he's got a wife and he's still putting the moves on her! ....Huh? Where's Levia-nee?" Indeed, if Belpha gave her chocolate to Rudolf, there's nothing strange about her giving hers to Kyrie. I didn't expect I'd be the one getting chocolate, Kyrie thought with a wry smile.  "Who would have thought I'd get chocolate from another girl... But thank you. I appreciate it.""I, who rule over envy, lost in a fight against your envy. For the time being, I acknowledge your superiority.""I don't really want to be acknowledged for something like that, though. My, how wonderful. Is this handmade? It looks delicious.""It certainly is. After all, Rudolf also said it was delicious when Belpha gave it to him just now.""...Eh, what? What did you say?"As Kyrie asked again, still with the same smile on her face, the temperature kept dropping below zero. Levia was eager to fill her in on the details. The two of them sat down next to each other, the chocolate was handed over, and their shoulders drew near... "Hey, are you really fine with it, isn't he basically cheating?""Eh? *giggle*giggle*, it's nothing like that. Rudolf-san is devoted only to me, he would never be cheating. 24×365×2349875663495733..." With a smile icy enough to send liquid nitrogen drifting through the air, Kyrie stomped away. Levia followed after her, cheering her on. It was the most fitting way of giving chocolate for Leviathan of Envy... After that, the only two remaining were Lucifer and Satan – the two of the Seven Sisters of Purgatory famous for being obstinate.  Although she hadn't decided who to give her chocolate to, Belpha and the others had given her an idea just now. She decided to hand her chocolate to the one she had fought, as well.  BGM: ABOUT FACE Kanon gave his cold response after giving the chocolate just a single suspicious glance. Since the other sisters' chocolates had been casually accepted and praised, and only hers was rejected, Satan was most upset by this. "W-why didn't you just shut up and accept it! It's not like I'm giving you anything weird, it's normal chocolate, so just take it!!" "There is no reason for me to accept something like that from you.""I mean, it's... for Valentine's Day, you know. Isn't that good enough?! Just accept it! Do you like humiliating girls?! You milksop!""Wh-what is this...! Did you come here just to make a fool of me?!"Insults like pathetic or unreliable are like a red rag to Kanon. His anger quickly reached the boiling point. "Get lost! I refuse to accept anything from you!""Yikes...! Wh-what are you so angry about?! I'm leaving as soon as you accept the chocolate...! Just take it!! This isn't fun for me either, you know!"Satan could no longer conceal her bewilderment that all her younger sisters had succeeded, yet she could not. Gritting her teeth and wishing for nothing more than to run away, she shoved the chocolate at Kanon. ...Kanon was also bewildered by how the chocolate was being forced upon him. Suddenly, Jessica's cheerful voice could be heard coming from somewhere...   "...Wait, what?! Y-you, you're one of those Seven Sisters of Purgatory!"Jessica dropped the elegantly wrapped box she had brought to give to Kanon, and thrust her hands into her pockets. They came out in attack mode, a brass knuckle twinkling upon each hand! "Wh-why am I the only one with no luck...! None of my younger sisters had any trouble...!!""Don't you dare touch Kanon-kun! Go away, you witch's furniture! By yourself, you don't stand a chance against me and Kanon-kun!""Y-you...! Don't get so cocky!" "Wh-why did this happen...! D-didn't I just come to give you chocolate?! Isn't it Valentine's Day?! Why do you have to look at me like that?! Why am I the only one with no luck?! Everyone else had it easy, why not me?! Why, why, it doesn't make sense! Uuuuuuuu...!!""You're the one who doesn't make sense! Your chocolate's probably poisoned or something. As if Kanon-kun would ever eat something like that!""Gh... nnnnggg! I'm begging you to accept this, why do I have work so desperately to hand over my chocolate, just how much are you going to humiliate until you're satisfied?! You shameless idiots, I'll remember this, I'll kill you next time for real!!"Satan hurled the box at Kanon, her red-hot face twisted with vexation, and burst into a swarm of golden butterflies. "......Wh...what's with her?""And stay out! Grrrr!"Jessica growled at the empty space where Satan had disappeared, while Kanon continued to be perplexed. The box Satan had thrown lay at Kanon's feet. ...As he wondered whether he should pick it up, Jessica grabbed it immediately. "You definitely can't eat that demon's chocolate! I decided the moment I came. I'm getting rid of this personally!""...I can do it myself..." With that strong conviction written plain on her face, Jessica snatched away the box. Kanon didn't understand why Jessica was so determined to take that demon's chocolate. "...Anyway. What did she come here for?""She's a demon, she definitely came to work some magic on you...! Ah, f-f-forget that, Kanon-kun, th-this is for you...!"Why had Satan's chocolate provoked such a commotion...?? Still confused about the situation, Kanon was suddenly dragged into another commotion by Jessica as she kept going on and on about her chocolate gift being the obligatory sort... "Uuuuu, hic, hic....!""Oh woow, Satan-oneesama, how shaaameful!""She couldn't even give a lousy piece of chocolate, how piiitiful!"  Since Satan hadn't succeeded, she suddenly became frightened that she might not as well. ...What do I do, what do I do! Ronove will get mad at me if I don't give my chocolate to somebody! And my sisters will never let me hear the end of it...! "I, I wonder what I should do... There's no man who would take it without a fuss..."   "...Should I get rid of it and pretend I've given it to someone?"Yeah, that's probably best... While they're busy tormenting Satan, I'll secretly dispose of this... "We know what you're thinking, Luci-nee!!""Eek!!"The Satan-tormenting time had already come to an end. And Satan had guessed that Lucifer would try to run off on her own in the midst of the chaos. "She always bosses us around, then disappears when it's time to do her part! Come on, you all! Don't let Luci-nee escape!""""Yeees, Onee-samaa!"""On Satan's orders, the younger sisters surrounded Lucifer, who collapsed to her knees in fright. "Sooo, Lucifer-onee-sama. Who are you going to give your chocolate to, I wonder? Surely the eldest of us has an appropriately graceful and wonderful Valentine, oozing with love, to show us...?"This is bad, I'm trapped... Wh-what should I do... I don't have anyone to give it to... what should I do, what should I do... Lucifer turned pale. It was plain as day on her face that she wanted nothing more than to run away. The younger sisters jeered at her, demanding to know who she'll give the chocolate to and how. Trembling, their eldest sister hung her head in despair...  BGM: NONE "Wh...... Ushiromiya Battler...!""Yup, that's me~ You Seven Sisters of Purgatory sure are all good friends. Isn't that right, everyone!?"""""Yees, we're all good friends~!""""Hurriedly, Lucifer wiped away the tears that had appeared in her eyes.  What's that box? Ah, I get it, it's Valentine's Day after all! Hehe, even with your usual cold-blooded talk, you have your cute side as well."Battler had noticed the box of chocolate that Lucifer was holding and grinned. ...Ah, this is a golden opportunity. Battler seems to be in a good mood, so he might unexpectedly accept... "U....... Ushiromiya...... Battler!""Huh? What's up, rear end nee-chan?""I-I'm not rear end nee-chan, my name is Lucifer...!""Oh, sorry, sorry. Well, Lucifer-chama, how can I help ya?""...He... he-here..."With her face red and her arms trembling, Lucifer thrust the box of chocolate at Battler. Battler, insensitive as he often was, quickly grasped the situation.  With the utmost seriousness, Lucifer pushed the chocolate at him. She was frantic not to be teased by her younger sisters, should she fail. The younger sisters watched with malicious smirks on their faces. But, in silence, they seemed to support the courage of their sister. Battler winked, with the smile that was his family heirloom. ".......Ah.""Thanks. Just for today, I'll forget about the gouging and killing and make peace with you. You have my gratitude.""Oooooooh", the younger sisters' voices rose in a cheer. Only Satan clicked her tongue in disapproval. As for Lucifer, Battler was no less then her messiah with a sparkling halo above his head. "This is great! Did you make it?""W-well, um, more or less...""Yep, it's tasty alright! Thanks, Lucifer. You've got a knack for cooking. Ever thought about stopping this cold-blooded killer business and becoming a housewife instead?""...Hmph.... That's an inexcusable insult to furniture such as us.""I'm just kidding! Well, thanks for the food! I'll return the favor on White Day, <see you again>!Realizing that any more compliments were likely to spoil the mood, Battler took his leave with those pretentious words.  BGM: HAPPY MARIA "...Guess it's not so easy to take Luci-nee down a notch...""She really lucked out to have Battler just conveniently appear like thaat!""Luck is also a skill! Ah, wonderful, wonderful, truly wonderful. The Seven Sisters of Purgatory have completed their task! Ronove-sama will surely praise us.""Everyone except that clumsy Satan-nee, right?""Ah, that went as planned too! Giving it like that counts too!!""Yeah, Satan's technique is pretty advanced. She's the queen of tsundere. Except without the dere.""""*giggle*giggle*giggle*!""" "Splendid, we Seven Sisters of Purgatory! Come, come, let us report our success to Ronove-sama!"""""""Yees, oneesama!!"""""" Thanks to Ronove's chocolate, the Seven Sisters were able to pass this day pleasantly...  "How wonderful. You must have had an entertaining day. You are all dismissed; congratulations on your success.""Thank you very much, excuse us!" In truth, even before receiving the report, Ronove had known everything. For him, rather then the sweetness of the chocolate, the variety that the chocolate had given to their day was far sweeter. "Pu ku ku. This is indeed the most bittersweet day of the year... It's fine to have a story like this every once in a while, is it not? Sharing that chocolate was truly a worthwhile experience for me, as well... Huh? The punchline? Ah, but of course. The starring role belongs to none other than Milady Beatrice. Please, put her on camera. Pu ku ku!"Ronove snapped his finger, and the stage turned dark.  BGM: Towering Cloud in Summer  Battler's good mood had been completely exhausted by the time Beato found him. She was holding a very luxuriously decorated present box. "You're not seriously giving me chocolate, are you..." "*cackle*cackle*, know the honor and the glory of being presented Valentine's chocolate by me! Accept it upon your knees!""As if receiving a Valentine's present from you is something to celebrate... You're a witch. It's probably got some strange poison in it.""How rude. No matter what you may think, I am a witch who can read the atmosphere. I would've loved to mix in some medicine that would make you all submissive? but I am not one to rely on heresy such as poisons!""...That's not particularly reassuring... Well, I'll accept your feelings. That doesn't mean I'll eat it.""Eat it up, eat it up. I put my heart into making that!"...Beato was also shamelessly lying about the chocolate Ronove had made. "I see. If it's handmade, I guess there's nothing strange about it... Well then, let's check out the cooking skills of the Golden Witch."Handmade by Beato... Although he doubted that, as a man he couldn't cause a woman hardship by refusing her chocolate. Battler decided to let Beato save face. "*cackle*cackle*! Now, open the box, and behold!""There we go. ......Huh? This is....""How's that! Delicious-looking chocolate! Handmade by me!"Battler stared. It was exactly the same as the chocolate he'd received from Lucifer just a few minutes ago. Hadn't that chocolate been handmade by Lucifer??? "Oi, just a minute, Beato. Did you really make this?" "Yup, I did! I made it with my heart full of my feelings for you!" BGM: Dread of the Grave "Nngh?! Wh... wh-wh-why?!" "Lu-Lucifer? Why Lucifer...???""That Lucifer's chocolate was certainly delicious. She may be a cold-blooded killer but the chocolate she makes is delicious. If she became a little more graceful, she'd make a great wife. I was touched by her feelings and intend to return them on White Day. But what the hell are you?! You're someone who lies about making chocolate themselves! I don't need chocolate from a liar like you!" Battler turned on his heels and walked away. Sobbing loudly behind him, Beato had no idea how her lie had been exposed. But she did know one thing – Lucifer had been connected to it in some way. "Lu-Lu-Lu-LuciferrrRrrRRrr, my worthless furniture... You dare tattle on me to BattleeEerrr!! Wait a minute, it was Ronove's chocolate in the first place, so that jerk was lying about making it herself too! I'll beat you, punish you, torture yooOOUU!!"And so did the Valentine's Day of the lying witch come to a close...  
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resurgam40 posted:Beato is Kinzo. Regardless of how much sense this makes regarding the murders, I sure hope this cute witch hitting on Battler isn't actually his grandfather I mean the incest accusations were bad enough before
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This is so sweet and tender it's tearing at my heart. Thanks a bunch oath and tiistai.  Never heard of White Day before... Oh, it's like a reverse Valentine's day where boys return gifts to their girls...that's clever, why don't we have something like that? Battler, why won't you accept Beatrice's chocolate? I know she murdered your entire family but she's being sincere and heartwarming here.  ... No, now's not the time to put on the detective act. It's better to be kind and reciprocate romance rather than find an excuse to be an rear end. 
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Feb 15, 2017 01:00
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Lycaeon posted:Never heard of White Day before... Oh, it's like a reverse Valentine's day where boys return gifts to their girls...that's clever, why don't we have something like that? We do! It's called Valentine's Day.  There's no real need for a White Day since our romance holiday is non-gendered.
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That was pretty goofy. "This world is but a twisted place in which you exist to kill or be killed! " Undertale/Umineko crossover confirmed. Obviously MARIA is the fallen child and anime is real.
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So, uh, Prof, I just really want to thank you for using the updated art.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:23
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idonotlikepeas posted:So, uh, Prof, I just really want to thank you for using the updated art. Ryukishi's original stuff has its moments - in particular, the extreme expressions Battler and Beatrice have are amazing there, and everything looks... semi-coherent (this was not the case in Higurashi). But yeah, the PS3 sprites are far easier on the eyes.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:26
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I've seen worse, but the stakes look like chubby six-year-olds wearing their parents' clothes.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:32
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Honestly, half the reason I do these is so that you can appreciate what the original art was like. On that note, Valentine's Day may be a unified holiday in America, but in Japan, it's only the first half. With that in mind, it's only one month until Beatrice's White Day. Please look forward to the thrilling conclusion.
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KataraniSword posted:It's called Valentine's Day.  Qrr posted:Undertale/Umineko crossover confirmed. Obviously MARIA is the fallen child and anime is real. That would be amazing. And by amazing I mean less murder more mercy. idonotlikepeas posted:So, uh, Prof, I just really want to thank you for using the updated art. Same. The more I stare at these sprites the stranger they get. Though with the story as excellent as it is I wouldn't have minded them. oath2order posted:With that in mind, it's only one month until Beatrice's White Day.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:51
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tiistai posted:This thread is a mitten-bullying-free zone Mitten-bullying what? *looks back up at update* Oh god. Oh god.
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I feel sorry for you LP viewers. You don't get to experience Ryukishi getting better at art throughout each episode.
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drat Battler, that's a bit cold of you isn't it?
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Lycaeon posted:Oh god.  STOP
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idonotlikepeas posted:I've seen worse, but the stakes look like chubby six-year-olds wearing their parents' clothes. Do I....do I want to know? oath2order posted:With that in mind, it's only one month until Beatrice's White Day. This is the thread that never stops delivering.
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tiistai posted:Regardless of how much sense this makes regarding the murders, I sure hope this cute witch hitting on Battler isn't actually his grandfather Are you saying ol' Master GOLDSMITH can't be cute? "OH DESIRE~!" Seriously, though... now that I've said all that, while I still do like the Kinzotrice theory (it dovetails neatly into the things they share, such as theatricality and cruelty; Maria knows a lot about magic, so being taught by the only other guy who knows more about magic makes sense; the timing and opportunity I've discussed before; the humor-factor of Kinzo running around in a red dress), I do feel like I have to tip my hat to Lycaeon's Shannontrice theory too. While the notion of Shannon being a secret Ushiromiya produced through Kinzo's rape of a woman is still a theory based on Kinzo's hidden buildings and the fact a girl used to live here, along with the implied horror of the school Shannon came from, that theory does present a compelling alternative interpretation of events that I can't really argue (and sorry, Kinzo, but I think Shannon would cut a better figure in that dress) and L's point about what Shannon/Sayo stands to gain from the unreliable narration is a pretty good one that makes a lot of sense. Besides... Shannon being Beatrice would be more thematically resonant that Kinzo purely because of the way female characters are presented in contrast to the male characters. All of the men in this story (at least, so far) have one, defined personality with natures that never really develop beyond their establishing introductory scenes- Krauss is sarcastic and prideful, Rudolph is brash and carefree, Hideyoshi is good humored and loyal, Kanon is guarded and cold, and so on... even Battler, though he's gradually learning to fight and think better, isn't really that fundamentally different from the way he's portrayed at the beginning. But the women in the story... not only have they all been portrayed as having more than one nature, a hidden nature, but that hidden face is often diametrically opposed to their introductory one to a varying degree, and the reveal of these natures has always been a surprise to us. These surprises range in plot importance from Jessica's "Jessie-sama" thing she has as school to keep sane to more significant inner conflicts that either advance the plot or embody the central themes of trust and betrayal (Kuwabara vs. Virgilia, Eva vs. Evatrice, Rosa vs. the Bad Witch, Maria vs. MARIA), but all of the ladies seem to have them, and Shannon, I believe is no exception. She's shown herself throughout the story to be a lot more assertive, and resourceful than anyone who knows her gives her credit for, but while she gives glimmers of insight into what she might be hiding in her own heart, such as this exchange recently: ProfessorProf posted:
She's still cagey about what dichotomy she is hiding. In short, all the girls have hidden sides- even the Sisters are more multifaceted than we gave credit for- but I believe that we still haven't seen Shannon's hidden side yet. So what is she hiding? What truth does she embody?
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"Ihihi. That'd be awesome. It'd be nice if I got a share too. If I got some too, I'd split it with Shannon-chan right away."
"Th-Thank you very much... Well, I appreciate the sentiment."
"Shannon isn't greedy at all. Normally, girls of your age would have tons of things they'd want to buy."
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resurgam40 posted:She's still cagey about what dichotomy she is hiding. In short, all the girls have hidden sides- even the Sisters are more multifaceted than we gave credit for- but I believe that we still haven't seen Shannon's hidden side yet. So what is she hiding? What truth does she embody? Reading this made me realize just how much like Sayo I am, right down to the almost scary level of compartmentalization of negative or inconvenient emotions. At least I don't have prolonged conversations with them! I've been projecting this whole time, haven't I? ANYWAY that Valentine's TIP is very cute and funny! Thanks for cleaning that up, tiistai and oath2order.
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resurgam40 posted:She's still cagey about what dichotomy she is hiding. In short, all the girls have hidden sides- even the Sisters are more multifaceted than we gave credit for- but I believe that we still haven't seen Shannon's hidden side yet. So what is she hiding? What truth does she embody? I think it's loneliness. It's one thing to be raised an orphan and know your family is dead. It's much more horrible to be in the same home as your family, knowing they're your family, but treated as furniture. To be stepped and trampled on by some and outright ignored by others. Even her fiance, the love of her life, doesn't know a thing about her, and I strongly suspect he never thought to ask.  Tender Child Loins posted:Reading this made me realize just how much like Sayo I am, right down to the almost scary level of compartmentalization of negative or inconvenient emotions. *hugs* Hang in there. Lycaeon fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Honestly, there's a lot of painfully relatable content in this game, especially in the female characters. A lot of the more obvious "magic imaginary friends to prevent realizing you're lonely" content has been painful as hell. If it does turn out that Shannon is compartmentalizing hard enough to be a witch without realizing, I wouldn't be surprised, and, yeah, it'd be another bit of "oh, yeah, I get that." (Also, I'm surprised by how deftly the game manages kind of clashing tones - here we are having a serious conversation about psychological effects of abuse right after seeing a cute, extremely anime vignette about a bunch of demon girls trying to handle giving chocolate to their crushes. With other contexts it'd feel jarring to go between gory murder, cute shenanigans, and serious discussion of society, but Umineko makes it work somehow!)
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Aisu posted:Honestly, there's a lot of painfully relatable content in this game, especially in the female characters. It's honestly astounding. I've taken literature courses in college with less emotional and mental impact than this visual novel. Studying this is definitely more engaging. Edit to below: Oh...visual novel. Changed. Lycaeon fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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OK, now that I have some time to dig in, let's look at Kinzatrice.resurgam40 posted:Hypothesis: Kinzo was keeping a girl he named Beatrice in his secret mansion, and that girl died in 1967 when Rosa takes her out. When Kinzo eventually finds out that the girl he raised as his lovely Beatrice is dashed upon the rocks, he breaks. I think this all seems fine based on the facts we currently have. I would add that there was probably some predecessor Beatrice before the girl; it's implied the name has been passed down at least once. He didn't just invent the idea of a person named Beatrice out of nothing, he got her from somewhere. That said, the original may not be that important. Dante's Beatrice is based on someone he only met a couple of times, the first one being when she was eight and who he didn't really know. (Dante also spent a lot of time in his study obsessing about his imaginary woman.) resurgam40 posted:Legend: Pretty much follows the first theory I had about this case: Kinzo, through the help Genji and Kuwabara, kills Rudolph, Kyrie, Krauss, Rosa, Gohda, and Shannon, and locks them up in the shed, painting the symbol. This all works, I think. The only significant difference between this and my theory is which person isn't really dead. I'd suggest he just straight-up kills the servants when Maria is there, though; we don't need to suppose that they're loyal enough to commit suicide, and we know he has the gun collection (and therefore presumably knows how to use one pretty well). After he kills Natsuhi, he can then proceed to the fire or whatever disaster happened. resurgam40 posted:Turn: Modified theory: I'd say that someone is hired to pose as Beatrice, but that would contradict the red, so somebody is disguised as Beatrice (I'm thinking Shannon) and paraded in front of Rosa and Kyrie to grant a story. Then, Kinzo Genji and Kuwabara (possibly Kanon and Shannon) kill Krauss, Natsuhi, Eva, Hideyoshi, Rudolph, and Kyrie, leaving Maria with her Mom and a Halloween treat supporting magic and witches. I like how you're combining the multiple-servant-identities into the theory here. I think we still need some capping disaster after all this to make it all look like an accident, but the narrative has carefully concealed that from us so far. resurgam40 posted:Banquet: Here the script is flipped a little bit because Kinzo dies first thing. So, let me ask a question on this one: why does Shannon go along with the murders after the old man is dead? Just loyalty, you think? (I'm not saying this is a problem necessarily, just asking.)
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This Valentine's day was fantastic.  Edit: also, no. Rudolph. Don't lick the ear canal. Wet willies aren't sexy. EagerSleeper fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Lycaeon posted:It's honestly astounding. I've taken literature courses in college with less emotional and mental impact than this...what essentially is a picture book.
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Pretty cute update.  By the way one of Battler's portraits was using Satan's portrait by mistake. That has to be a Freudian slip of some sort.
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So all of this speculation and theorizing is great and interesting, but it seems like it's missing the true power of blue text: we (and Battler) don't need to know why something is true. We don't need to know all of the details of it (though we want to eventually). We just need to say it in blue and Beatrice has to counter it. And the blue texts can contradict each other - only one needs to make it. So to start: Kinzo was dead before the events on Rokkenjima Kinzo was Beatrice Shannon was Beatrice A decent start, but we can do better. We don't need to be nearly so specific. I'm going to use <18 names> to mean "Battler, Kinzo, Shannon, George, ..." including all 18 that we believe are on the island. At least one of <18 names> was dead before the events on Rokkenjima At least one of <18 names> was Beatrice There was at least one living human on Rokkenjima besides <18 names> during these events One or more of <18 names> was not a living human on Rokkenjima during these events Some living human on Rokkenjima during these events had more than one of <18 names> as their name At least one of <18 names> was the name of more than one living human on Rokkenjima during these events Those last two could be a fun answer - back in part 3 when we had "Genji is dead. Kinzo is dead.", it could have been that Genji's middle name or nickname or real name was Kinzo, and one person being dead was covered by both sentences. Although really, given the rules for blue text this is all much, much too complicated. All it needs to be is something that denies witches, and she has to respond in red. So we could use: Every human who died on Rokkenjima during these events was killed by a human or accident Or we could trivialize the whole thing and skip straight to the end: Witches aren't real Seriously, according to the rules of the blue text Beatrice has to counter that last one with red. And if she's able to say in red that witches are real then, well, that's game, but there isn't a way to beat that if she can do it. Qrr fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Qrr posted:Or we could trivialize the whole thing and skip straight to the end: Witches obviously are real - Ange says so herself. The question is, are they real in "Battler's world". 
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Qrr posted:So all of this speculation and theorizing is great and interesting, but it seems like it's missing the true power of blue text: we (and Battler) don't need to know why something is true. We don't need to know all of the details of it (though we want to eventually). We just need to say it in blue and Beatrice has to counter it. And the blue texts can contradict each other - only one needs to make it. 
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