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World Famous W: May 25, 2007; BAAAAAAAAAAAA

Hahaha! Found a manual of Maces & Flails on clvl 11 OgBe. I will play an ogre right despite the devs best efforts!

EDIT: ...and dead to a three floor shaft.

World Famous W fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Feb 14, 2017

# ? Feb 14, 2017 15:51

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# ? May 15, 2024 11:45

Carcer: Aug 7, 2010

Mu. posted:

I try not to play Tabmasters.

Maybe hold off on condemning them as the worst race, then.

They're not as mindless as similar level minotaurs/gargoyles/hill orcs, though. As you noted their escape options are generally pretty bad so if you just blindly charge into fights then you're going to die horribly when something really big and scary comes into view and you're hip deep in chaff.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 16:45

tote up a bags: Jun 8, 2006; die stoats die

Hello Mu, that was the best post in Crawl thread and that includes me melting down over how long Pan takes every 50 pages

My suggestion to you is to download trunk and play as the frog race. They are terrible, they have bad stats, and they have a lovely blink. They are poo poo and I loving hate them, and they replaced High Elves who are not poo poo or bad.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 16:51

Darth Windu: Mar 17, 2009; by Smythe

Why do potions of blood disappear? You should be able to preserve that poo poo. Man vampires are annoying.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 16:54

Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

tote up a bags posted:

Hello Mu, that was the best post in Crawl thread and that includes me melting down over how long Pan takes every 50 pages

My suggestion to you is to download trunk and play as the frog race. They are terrible, they have bad stats, and they have a lovely blink. They are poo poo and I loving hate them, and they replaced High Elves who are not poo poo or bad.

I'm actually kind of amazed at how disappointed I am in frogs. I feel like they were assembled based on less-used niches rather than fun mechanics.

Like does anyone actually enjoy them more because they have low stats?

# ? Feb 14, 2017 16:57

LordSloth: Mar 7, 2008; Disgruntled (IT) Employee

So I went into a game ONLY to see Ignition. It was never taken real seriously, it was just a Tengu Fire Elementalist of Vehumet. So, I'm not very busy trying to win.

76594 | Vaults:5 | Identified the +14 crystal plate armour "Qaxet" {rF+} (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)
81456 | D:8 | Became a worshipper of Cheibriados the Contemplative
89968 | Crypt:3 | Was forgiven by Vehumet (thanks, amulet of faith)
92370 | D:5 | Bought the +0 pair of fencer's gloves {+Riposte Dex+3} for 1360 gold pieces
92644 | D:4 | Bought the +10 large shield of Ignorance {rN+ Int-4} for 744 gold pieces

Not noted is me simply brute-forcing Snake Pit 4 without rPoison. It went about as well as you might expect with 0 * of Chei piety, Vehumet wrath.. but hell it was fun.

Currently: +9 ice dragon scales, shield of resistance. Early on, I could still cast Ignition and Orb of Destruction - I probably have my unusual luck with randart statsticks to thank for that - they were actually useful outside of boosting. My demon trident, in particular, is actually just as good as a staff of wizardry for my miscast chances. Also have steam dragon scales to thank for that transition, enchanted to +5 I found myself taking considerably less damage than a +5 randart rpois/sinv leather armor, highly recommend that or swamp dragon scales if you need a little extra sturdiness but not a lot (stone giants still loving hurt of course) since you're murdering most from afar. As a Tengu I've been able to Demon Trident poke the yellow/grey danger remnants left after a magical murder spree. Staying as Vehumet would have been highly advised, but goons advised me to be Fun. For comparison's sake, before switching gods Firestorm was rapidly dropping from ~50% failure rate, I think it approached ~17% near the very end?

pre:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-641-g673355a (webtiles) character file.

LordSloth the Ruinous (Tengu Fire Elementalist)    Turns: 92720, Time: 07:22:55

Health: 158/158    AC: 34    Str: 32    XL:     26   Next: 20%
Magic:  63/63      EV: 17    Int: 48    God:    Cheibriados [*****.]
Gold:   1064       SH: 19    Dex: 33    Spells: 2/59 levels left

rFire    + + +     SeeInvis .   a - +9 demon trident of the Hawk {drain, Str+5 Int+4}
rCold    + + +     Gourm    .   s - +14 crystal plate armour "Qaxet" {rF+}
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   P - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+}
rPois    .         Spirit   .   n - +2 hat
rElec    .         Reflect  .   W - scarf {rC+ rF+}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   q - +0 pair of fencer's gloves {+Riposte Dex+3}
MR       ++...                  (boots unavailable)
Stlth    ..........             X - amulet of Idwog {RegenMP rC+ MP+9}
Regen    0.4/turn               t - ring "Ydwoaw" {rC+ Str+4 Int+4 Dex+3}
MPRegen  0.6/turn               g - ring "Tiupal" {rC+ MP+9 Int+3}

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
b - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ########..   1%          6    None
f - Fireball              Conj/Fire      ########..   1%          5    None
i - Ignition              Fire           ########..   21%         8    ##.....
j - Orb of Destruction    Conj           ########..   2%          7    None
k - Force Lance           Conj/Tloc      ########     1%          4    None
l - Chain Lightning       Conj/Air       ########..   63%         8    ##.....
q - Ring of Flames        Chrm/Fire      ########..   21%         7    None
r - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #######...   2%          3    None
F - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      ########..   99%         9    ####...

Full CPA dump: http://pastebin.com/5Cs31fFK
Full IDS dump: http://pastebin.com/azSYuKP1
Not smart enough to seperately save a dump pre-god switch summary: I was lucky with stat randarts some of which were just as good as wizardry, whereas I didn't find actual wizardry rings, so it should be viable for others - though Deep Elves aren't really suited strength/apt wise. Speaking to a random Discord comment about casting in plate: It's true, it's possible! Even without Chei or Vehumet! That person's gargoyle had a crazy strength of near 40, but about 12 int. So they'd probably only be able to get Stone Arrow online moderately easily, and Iron Shot with some real effort. Of course, dragon armors are a lot more practical, since many of them are less encumbering than chainmail.

YOU TOO CAN DO SOMETHING STUPID TODAY! Vehumet's wrath is only random castings of Firestorm and Lehudib's Crystal Spear,* nothing to be concerned about, and surely he won't act at the worst possible moment!
*Your wrath may vary, wrath may be held to terms and conditions of experience level, people afraid of traveling slowly need not apply to Cheibriados today

# ? Feb 14, 2017 17:03

Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

Neat trick: drop conjure flame in front of yourself and use lesser beckoning to pull enemy into it.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 17:07

Sage Grimm: Feb 18, 2013; Let's go explorin' little dude!

Carcer posted:

Maybe hold off on condemning them as the worst race, then.

They're not as mindless as similar level minotaurs/gargoyles/hill orcs, though. As you noted their escape options are generally pretty bad so if you just blindly charge into fights then you're going to die horribly when something really big and scary comes into view and you're hip deep in chaff.

I think a couple of people may have misinterpreted the tone of Mu's post. You weren't supposed to take it that seriously. And it was a Good Post too.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 17:34

apple: May 18, 2003; Jose in the club wearing orange suspenders

I don't know what it is with floor god that keeps turning my "hybrid" attempts into blaster casters, but I had shatter castable with brilliance by the time I hit Vaults so I guess I'm a beefy blaster caster now.

code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-642-g4ff03ff (webtiles) character file.

bananaken the Metallomancer (DgEE)                 Turns: 83568, Time: 08:06:01

Health: 218/218    AC: 38    Str: 17    XL:     25   Next: 72%
Magic:  43/43      EV: 18    Int: 53    God:    
Gold:   2000       SH:  9    Dex: 21    Spells: 0/46 levels left

rFire    + + .     SeeInvis .   a - +9 demon whip (flame)
rCold    + . .     Gourm    .   V - +8 fire dragon scales
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   P - +3 warlock's mirror {reflect}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   e - +2 helmet {Int+3}
rElec    .         Reflect  +   W - +2 cloak of Hide-and-Seek {rPois Int+5}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   C - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
MR       +++++                  q - +2 pair of boots {run}
Stlth    +++.......             J - amulet "Edeziuze" {+Rage rC++ Str+2 Int+5}
Regen    0.5/turn               b - ring of the Mage {Wiz MR++ Int+3}
MPRegen  0.3/turn               k - ring of Emuthrodghiqe {rN+ MR+ Str-5 Int+8 Dex+5}

@: quick
A: talons 1, blink, high mp 1, shaggy fur 1, wild magic 1
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, silver
a: Blink, Evoke Berserk Rage

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Orb of Destruction    Conj           ########..   1%          7    ###....
b - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ######       1%          3    None
c - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      ########..   1%          2    None
d - Petrify               Tmut/Erth      ########     1%          4    None
e - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           ########..   1%          5    None
f - Iron Shot             Conj/Erth      ########..   1%          6    None
g - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           #######...   1%          2    None
h - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #######...   1%          3    None
i - Shatter               Erth           ########..   10%         9    ######.
j - Silence               Hex/Air        #######...   3%          5    None

Not sure if I could do better about weapon choice, I think I'm committed at this point to it but I could use a brand scroll on it and hope I get something better for Zot?

# ? Feb 14, 2017 18:00

FulsomFrank: Sep 11, 2005; Hard on for love

apple posted:

code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-642-g4ff03ff (webtiles) character file.

bananaken the Metallomancer (DgEE)                 Turns: 83568, Time: 08:06:01

Health: 218/218    AC: 38    Str: 17    XL:     25   Next: 72%
Magic:  43/43      EV: 18    Int: 53    God:    
Gold:   2000       SH:  9    Dex: 21    Spells: 0/46 levels left

rFire    + + .     SeeInvis .   a - +9 demon whip (flame)
rCold    + . .     Gourm    .   V - +8 fire dragon scales
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   P - +3 warlock's mirror {reflect}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   e - +2 helmet {Int+3}
rElec    .         Reflect  +   W - +2 cloak of Hide-and-Seek {rPois Int+5}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   C - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
MR       +++++                  q - +2 pair of boots {run}
Stlth    +++.......             J - amulet "Edeziuze" {+Rage rC++ Str+2 Int+5}
Regen    0.5/turn               b - ring of the Mage {Wiz MR++ Int+3}
MPRegen  0.3/turn               k - ring of Emuthrodghiqe {rN+ MR+ Str-5 Int+8 Dex+5}

@: quick
A: talons 1, blink, high mp 1, shaggy fur 1, wild magic 1
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, silver
a: Blink, Evoke Berserk Rage

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Orb of Destruction    Conj           ########..   1%          7    ###....
b - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ######       1%          3    None
c - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      ########..   1%          2    None
d - Petrify               Tmut/Erth      ########     1%          4    None
e - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           ########..   1%          5    None
f - Iron Shot             Conj/Erth      ########..   1%          6    None
g - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           #######...   1%          2    None
h - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #######...   1%          3    None
i - Shatter               Erth           ########..   10%         9    ######.
j - Silence               Hex/Air        #######...   3%          5    None

Not sure if I could do better about weapon choice, I think I'm committed at this point to it but I could use a brand scroll on it and hope I get something better for Zot?

Those are some balling caster artefacts you've come across. I'm currently trying to get a Mummy of Gozag up and running again and I'd kill for some of that stuff.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 18:08

fool of sound: Oct 10, 2012

Around what level do demonspawn generally pick up their tier 3 mutation? I'm worried that I might have missed mine since I'm level 15 and have got Mutation Resistance early on.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 18:10

Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

fool_of_sound posted:

Around what level do demonspawn generally pick up their tier 3 mutation? I'm worried that I might have missed mine since I'm level 15 and have got Mutation Resistance early on.

It's pretty random. It can't be blocked by mutation resistance though.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 18:12

World Famous W: May 25, 2007; BAAAAAAAAAAAA

You can't rMut out of a DS mutation. RNG can gently caress you till late game though. You will get a 'mutation' a total of 15 (18 for monstrous) times for the complete set, so most games you will have 12 levels with no mutations. You will get all them at 27 though.

I don't play as many DS as others do, but I normally don't pick up my first tier 3 till about 18 or so.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 18:16

fool of sound: Oct 10, 2012

Cool, thanks.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 18:34

Carcer: Aug 7, 2010

Sage Grimm posted:

I think a couple of people may have misinterpreted the tone of Mu's post. You weren't supposed to take it that seriously. And it was a Good Post too.

I reserve my right to misinterpret things on the internet and make an rear end out of myself.

Its also important to note you can never lose Ds mutations, they're as permanent as any other races innate mutations.

Can Ds mutations be boosted by random mutations? Can you get a level of, say, black scales from Ds mutation and then get one from a purple chunk?

# ? Feb 14, 2017 18:50

Can Of Worms: Sep 4, 2011; That's not how the Triangle Attack works...

Yes, but you can't get conflicting mutations, e.g. if you already have Black Scales 1 as your DS mutation, you can only get Black Scale upgrades as your scales mutations from random mutation (because you can only have a max of three ranks in all your scales combined.)

# ? Feb 14, 2017 18:56

Decrepus: May 21, 2008; In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.

Mu why did I have to shoot TSO's dog

# ? Feb 14, 2017 20:36

apple: May 18, 2003; Jose in the club wearing orange suspenders

Tried splatting my DgEE in a Zig but I changed my mind and finished with 3 runes:

http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/bananaken/morgue-bananaken-20170214-192144.txt

code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-645-g0ac6e19 (webtiles) character file.

1636557 bananaken the Metallomancer (level 27, 246/246 HPs)
             Began as a Demigod Earth Elementalist on Feb 13, 2017.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 3 runes on Feb 14, 2017!
             
             The game lasted 09:24:27 (93141 turns).

bananaken the Metallomancer (DgEE)                 Turns: 93141, Time: 09:24:28

Health: 246/246    AC: 40    Str: 22    XL:     27
Magic:  45/45      EV: 22    Int: 45    God:    
Gold:   2574       SH:  8    Dex: 18    Spells: 5/51 levels left

rFire    + + .     SeeInvis +   b - staff of earth
rCold    + . .     Gourm    .   V - +8 fire dragon scales
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   P - +3 warlock's mirror {reflect}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   e - +2 helmet {Int+3}
rElec    .         Reflect  +   W - +2 cloak of Hide-and-Seek {rPois Int+5}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   C - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
MR       ++++.                  q - +2 pair of boots {run}
Stlth    +.........             J - amulet "Edeziuze" {+Rage rC++ Str+2 Int+5}
Regen    0.6/turn               N - ring of Jele Luh {rPois rN+ SInv}
MPRegen  0.3/turn               Z - ring of the Mage {Wiz MR++ Int+3}

@: quick
A: talons 1, blink, high mp 1, shaggy fur 1, wild magic 1
0: Orb of Zot
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, silver
a: Blink, Evoke Berserk Rage

If I had better planning on my skills and items I could probably easily do 15 runes but I wasn't comfortable going into extended with just shatter and a mediocre weapon for killing things. First demigod victory though :toot:

they're pretty fun and force you to find alternatives to god abilities.

I didn't get malmutated a single time, quite lucky even as a blasty caster since I was in line of sight of neqoxecs and OOFs multiple times.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 20:39

Darth Windu: Mar 17, 2009; by Smythe

Rename frogs to hopgoblins and give other races cool rando mutations like Ds and Dr.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 20:44

Darth Windu: Mar 17, 2009; by Smythe

RENAME VAMPIRES TO poo poo POOP FART FACES

# ? Feb 14, 2017 20:44

Decrepus: May 21, 2008; In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.

Why are Dogberts a race.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 21:13

Darth Windu: Mar 17, 2009; by Smythe

Decrepus posted:

Why are Dogberts a race.

Idk they kinda suck tho. All of the new races suck aside from vine stalker.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 21:15

Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; slightly amused

I need you to wear this scarf Dogbert

Its dungeon policy

# ? Feb 14, 2017 21:29

Archenteron: Nov 3, 2006

Pacra posted:

The two new gods Uskayaw and Hepliaklqana sound like a blast.

I have a rather odd request - could anyone talk about their trip reports/game stories, esp with the above two gods? It's been two years since I've played but I'm -still- a bit burnt out on crawl, would rather live through games vicariously.

I ascended a 4 rune TrFi^Uska the other day almost entirely on the back of their paralysis reward at 3 stars. The ultimate example follows:

Clear Zot 5, the OoFs gave me magic related malmuts and shouting 2, so I won the lottery. Grab the Orb, strut through two guardians on my way out of the lungs. Instant I step out, some fiends, OoFs, a pan lord, and two moths of wrath spawn and Hammer the gently caress out of me as I quaff heal wounds and crawl up the stairs.

The panlord, their summoned shining eye, an OoF, and the moths follow me, eye paralyzes me, moth berserks me. I'm at 50 HP. Chat is hooting and hollering. One turn of getting beaten up. Two turns. Three. Paralysis wears off on the fourth, I'm at two stars of faith from the combat. Punch the eye, three stars, everything freezes. One-shot everything else before berserk wears off, sit on an up stair, regen awhile, proceed to win.

Also fought the swamp 4 end vault at its entrance, maxed faith, and then used Grand Finale to one shot the Lemaean Hydra aka Ultimate Trollbane :hellyeah:

# ? Feb 14, 2017 21:46

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Carcer posted:

Maybe hold off on condemning them as the worst race, then.

They're not as mindless as similar level minotaurs/gargoyles/hill orcs, though. As you noted their escape options are generally pretty bad so if you just blindly charge into fights then you're going to die horribly when something really big and scary comes into view and you're hip deep in chaff.

unless u have vamp axe(and oka)

then u slam your face into the tab key until u win in 00:37:04

# ? Feb 14, 2017 22:55

Kaedric: Sep 5, 2000

Mu. posted:

I think that playing formicids will actually make you a better player overall, or at least a more cautious one, because having to rely on really inconsistent escape measures makes you approach every situation like a paranoid loon. The only species that I have a lower winrate with is mummies (Fo 3.7%, Mu 2.9%). This species is too hard. The devs don't know what they're doing.

Morgues: VSAM, FoEE, MfIE.

~

In all seriousness I am once more hooked on Crawl and even though it is a very different game now than it was Back In My Day I think the vast majority of the changes are positive.

Kaedric fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Feb 14, 2017

# ? Feb 14, 2017 22:57

dpeg: Jul 18, 2008; As far as I see it, you should never go to SA to look out for useful feedback or even interesting ideas; I certainly don't

Mu. posted:

I haven't played Crawl in about 5 years, but I picked it up again recently.

Hey! You're not forgotten. Welcome back

Hope you enjoy your stay...

quote:

Formicid: I do not think I have been more frustrated in this game than when I played a formicid. I believe they are the worst species in the game. ... Eventually I realised that my mistake was trying to build hybrids while worshiping these extremely bad new Gods, when the truth of course is to lean on your earth aptitude as a pure spellcaster and worship Sif Muna, the best god in the game. ... This species is too hard. The devs don't know what they're doing.

Absolutely! But did they ever know??

I love Fo but I'm a sucker for despair. An excellent addition, in my opinion. I'm sure by "worst" you mean power, not design.

Vs is also pretty cool to play, in my opinion. Currently running one of SteelNeuron's new Council God with one rune, trying to convince people to add it to trunk.

quote:

In all seriousness I am once more hooked on Crawl and even though it is a very different game now than it was Back In My Day I think the vast majority of the changes are positive.

This is all nice and dandy, but SA etiquette demands that you at least notionally complain about removal of either "rMut or HE or Singularity (a spell you've never seen).

# ? Feb 14, 2017 23:59

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Council God is indeed cool as hell and deserves to be in trunk

# ? Feb 15, 2017 00:33

Goffer: Apr 4, 2007; "..."

So I didn't realise it because the wiki hadn't been updated, but weapon weightings are gone (since .18), and dex and str are now the sole stat deciders of accuracy and damage? Just checked the learndb and:

Damage =
Approximately: 1d(base*strength_bonus)*skill_bonus + random2(to_dam + slaying + 1) + various bonuses. Weapon {brand} is applied after monster AC reduction.
Strength bonus is usually < 1.5 (see str), skill bonus (both from weapon and Fighting skills) is randomized, averaging about 2.0 at max skill
Damage bonuses include +1d10 for might and -1d5 when Starving.

To Hit =
mhit is random2(15+dex/2 + random2(fighting+1) + random2(weapon skill +1) + weapon enchantment + weapon base accuracy + slaying - 3 if starving - 1d(aevp) � 1d(asp) -5 if vertigo + 2*(eyes mut + 0.5) -6 vs invisible targets )

So for anyone going a heavy slow weapon with low accuracy it's much better to get dex, and if you're using light weapons strength will help more? And all my battle axe wielding strength characters were gimping themselves? It would be nice if this were explained more in the game somewhere.

# ? Feb 15, 2017 02:01

tote up a bags: Jun 8, 2006; die stoats die

Remove frogs (boring) add dogs (better) and council god (great)

Crawl .20: new god, frog, dog

# ? Feb 15, 2017 02:16

HisMajestyBOB: Oct 21, 2010; College Slice

Make the Council god only worshipable by Barachians and Cynos.
Crawl .20: Home of the Frog Dog God.

# ? Feb 15, 2017 02:23

Ferrinus: Jun 19, 2003; i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

dpeg posted:

This is all nice and dandy, but SA etiquette demands that you at least notionally complain about removal of either "rMut or HE or Singularity (a spell you've never seen).

Re-implement Singularity, and balance it by making it Hexes/Translocations and perhaps giving it Dragon's Call-style MP drain/cooldown. That'll incidentally make the changes to the conjurer book more palatable.

# ? Feb 15, 2017 02:26

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Goffer posted:

So for anyone going a heavy slow weapon with low accuracy it's much better to get dex, and if you're using light weapons strength will help more? And all my battle axe wielding strength characters were gimping themselves? It would be nice if this were explained more in the game somewhere.

No. You should basically not be thinking about stats in terms of "better or worse" for weapons, and you shouldn't care about accuracy at all. Take stats for primarily for spell use if you're using spells, otherwise Str is for using heavier armor, Dex is for EV. Str's affect on weapons matters more than Dex's does but I have been of the opinion that Str is often better than dex on pure melee guys for a while in general.

If anything Str is better on dudes with bigger weapons IMO, but that's largely because bigger weapons are better in general.

LazyMaybe fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Feb 15, 2017

# ? Feb 15, 2017 02:37

apple: May 18, 2003; Jose in the club wearing orange suspenders

Ferrinus posted:

Re-implement Singularity, and balance it by making it Hexes/Translocations and perhaps giving it Dragon's Call-style MP drain/cooldown. That'll incidentally make the changes to the conjurer book more palatable.

Speaking of the conjurer book it's hilarious that battlesphere ended up in the book of power instead; it's already the best book you can find for blasty casters (Annihilations doesn't count since it's unnecessary/overkill for 3 runes) and now you get battlesphere on top of that which is great but it makes an already incredible book.. even better? It means a early find of book of power provides you with battlesphere to upgrade your magic dart and on top of that you have the rest of your nukes laid out for you for the rest of the game.

# ? Feb 15, 2017 03:17

LogicNinja: Jan 21, 2011; ...the blur blurs blurringly across the blurred blur in a blur of blurring blurriness that blurred...

apple posted:

Speaking of the conjurer book it's hilarious that battlesphere ended up in the book of power instead; it's already the best book you can find for blasty casters (Annihilations doesn't count since it's unnecessary/overkill for 3 runes) and now you get battlesphere on top of that which is great but it makes an already incredible book.. even better? It means a early find of book of power provides you with battlesphere to upgrade your magic dart and on top of that you have the rest of your nukes laid out for you for the rest of the game.

Also it means that Conjurer is now a dumb, bad start, instead of a reasonable alternative to FE for blasty casters.

# ? Feb 15, 2017 03:23

fool of sound: Oct 10, 2012

Hey devs, do you think you could make the dancing weapon sprite a little more distinct? Once the corpses start piling up, it's hard to pick out the little red music note from the bloodstains on the other tiles containing weapons.

# ? Feb 15, 2017 03:30

apple: May 18, 2003; Jose in the club wearing orange suspenders

LogicNinja posted:

Also it means that Conjurer is now a dumb, bad start, instead of a reasonable alternative to FE for blasty casters.

I can understand if there were a suitable replacement for battlesphere but prism is very fiddly and tedious to use properly, makes a ton of noise and force lance just doesn't work well as a replacement. It definitely stings to not have a MP efficient way of dishing out guaranteed hits and they should fill that void better somehow (maybe by just bringing back battlesphere).

e: Also force lance + prism as synergy is kinda suspect IMO, if your combo relies on force lance knocking something into a prism you're wasting 8 MP if you miss with force lance...

apple fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Feb 15, 2017

# ? Feb 15, 2017 03:38

Speleothing: May 6, 2008; Spare batteries are pretty key.

Force Lance is best for slamming Emperor Scorpions and other midgame melee threats into walls repeatedly while they can't touch you.

Like getting revenge on a bully, it feels good to draw it out.

# ? Feb 15, 2017 03:53

Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; slightly amused

Still not sure why frogs don't have innate apportation via tongues.

# ? Feb 15, 2017 04:07

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# ? May 15, 2024 11:45

Social Studies 3rd Period: Oct 31, 2012; THUNDERDOME LOSER

dpeg posted:

This is all nice and dandy, but SA etiquette demands that you at least notionally complain about removal of either "rMut or HE or Singularity (a spell you've never seen).

re-implement singularity, but instead it sucks up malmutations instead, and also HEs are there too for some reason????

# ? Feb 15, 2017 04:14

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