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KPC_Mammon posted:Night Goblin lords giving poison and huge charge bonuses seems like it might make wolf riders usable, since everything I've read has been "go spiders for poison" Night Goblin Warbosses make Wolf Riders into some of the best shock cavalry in the game. I think they get up to 80 charge bonus with all the redline upgrades (on top of a melee attack in the 50s), and since they're amongst the fastest units in the game it is really easy to cycle charge with them. ZearothK fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Any cav unit used properly is a huge multiplier. VC should lean heavily on dire wolves in the early game once the lines meet and they get their zombies summoned on the enemy's rear.
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wiegieman posted:Any cav unit used properly is a huge multiplier. VC should lean heavily on dire wolves in the early game once the lines meet and they get their zombies summoned on the enemy's rear. e: Not being a dick I genuinely want to get better at this game. Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Ravenfood posted:Why summon on the rear when that's where you want your wolves to be charging? Summon to tie up archers/artillery so they can approach safely I understand, but wouldn't the wolves be best into the rear since they're so incredibly fast that it shouldn't be a problem to get there? And then can Vargheists and Blood Knights fill this role at higher tiers? I can win VC campaigns ok, but that's mostly on the strength of their absurdly snowballing economy, not tactics. Wolves are better flankers when you have them in your line-up, yeah, and superior fast units can also do the job on high levels. Zombies do get in the way of the dire wolves, but you likely won't have enough wolves to completely envelop an equivalent army, so you can do both things in the Vampire early game to easily win engagements. Sometimes it can also be difficult to get the wolves/cavalry/monsters in position if the enemy has counter-cavalry, and summoned zombies completely skip the maneuver part of the engagement.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:03
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wiegieman posted:Like Shogun 2, TWW does a good job of making the cheap units viable all the way through the late game. Swordsmen/Skelly Warriors are just a solid choice against most things, and an army of all Greatswords usually won't be cost effective. I like running "basic" armies on the most skilled lords (ie: halberds, swords, and crossbows with high level Karl) and giving higher teched units to newly recruited lords. Your veteran lords can stay on the frontier with the troops they've had all along loving poo poo up, while the new guys rotate in with armies strong enough to stand on their own without all the upgrades / skills.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:05
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Ravenfood posted:Why summon on the rear when that's where you want your wolves to be charging? Summon to tie up archers/artillery so they can approach safely I understand, but wouldn't the wolves be best into the rear since they're so incredibly fast that it shouldn't be a problem to get there? And then can Vargheists and Blood Knights fill this role at higher tiers? I can win VC campaigns ok, but that's mostly on the strength of their absurdly snowballing economy, not tactics. It takes time to get the wolves around, and you can make use of the shock damage from their charge as well as the morale effect of having zombies attacking in the rear. You may want to use the wolves on something other than the main line, too. One thing you can always plan to be doing as VC is to have your general fighting up front and summoning zombies.
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I'm having issues with the gobbo start on legendary, any helpful hints? It seems that every time I attempt to expand a new threat takes me by the flank and I don't want to turtle farming rebellions for levels.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:08
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ZearothK posted:Wolves are better flankers when you have them in your line-up, yeah, and superior fast units can also do the job on high levels. Zombies do get in the way of the dire wolves, but you likely won't have enough wolves to completely envelop an equivalent army, so you can do both things in the Vampire early game to easily win engagements. Sometimes it can also be difficult to get the wolves/cavalry/monsters in position if the enemy has counter-cavalry, and summoned zombies completely skip the maneuver part of the engagement. wiegieman posted:It takes time to get the wolves around, and you can make use of the shock damage from their charge as well as the morale effect of having zombies attacking in the rear. You may want to use the wolves on something other than the main line, too. One thing you can always plan to be doing as VC is to have your general fighting up front and summoning zombies. Neat, thanks. I'd never found much of a use for Direwolves at all except having a semi-sacrificial Direpack around to chase off skirmisher cav and maybe a unit or two to tie up archers. Hopefully this helps. Last question since its confused me since basically launch: the wolf/hound units count as large, right? They fill the role of light cavalry for all of their factions so it makes sense that they would, but on the other hand they're not exactly, well, large. e: Actually, in the Beastmen roster they also get several other light cav analogues so I'm not entirely sure why Chaos/Poison hounds are in their roster if they do count as large, so there's that I suppose.
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Ravenfood posted:Neat, thanks. I'd never found much of a use for Direwolves at all except having a semi-sacrificial Direpack around to chase off skirmisher cav and maybe a unit or two to tie up archers. Hopefully this helps. Last question since its confused me since basically launch: the wolf/hound units count as large, right? They fill the role of light cavalry for all of their factions so it makes sense that they would, but on the other hand they're not exactly, well, large. I don't have a firm answer, but I've had enough spearmen eaten alive by dogs/wolves that I'm pretty drat sure they don't count as large.
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A lot of cav can outrun blood knights so having a direpack or a wolfpack to tie them down or interrupt their charge can be useful.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:44
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sauer kraut posted:A LL for Empire that doesn't suck chodes would be nice I suppose. Preferably free of charge. I'd expect Valten would be on the cards at some stage.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:48
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drat, Isabellas model looks rad as hell.
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I cycle charge cavalry with mixed results. Many times I'm charging into the rear of an enemy unit tied up by my infantry, but it won't really do much damage or affect them much. Other times I'll end up trampling half their entire unit to death instantly and causing them to rout. I feel like light cavalry is tricky to use because they're squishy and you never want to keep them in one place for long. I also prefer the sword and board variety over lances because they can get bogged down for a bit/you forget they're still in melee and they're not completely borked.
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Feb 15, 2017 02:32
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Valten would be a nice way to move Ghal Maraz to another character so that Karl Franz doesn't have a weapon that's the Reikland Runefang but Better. Although I'm not sure what could be used to replace Franz's missing Ghal Maraz.
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Fluff Q. How much worse are Bretonnian men-at-arms suppose to be compared to Empire state troops? Not really sure how you'd quantify it, but I know Bretonnia is mostly a cavalry side, but Empire doesn't have great infantry outside of greatswords, right? Are men-at-arms, in the fiction, basically equivalent to state troops? The wikis make it seem like men-at-arms are worse and treated poorly by their lords by comparison, but it's hard to tell how state troops are supposed to treated by their captains/generals themselves.
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Lassitude posted:Fluff Q. How much worse are Bretonnian men-at-arms suppose to be compared to Empire state troops? Not really sure how you'd quantify it, but I know Bretonnia is mostly a cavalry side, but Empire doesn't have great infantry outside of greatswords, right? Are men-at-arms, in the fiction, basically equivalent to state troops? The wikis make it seem like men-at-arms are worse and treated poorly by their lords by comparison, but it's hard to tell how state troops are supposed to treated by their captains/generals themselves. Men-at-arms are supposed to be much worse than state troops in the fluff. The Empire has developed the concept of a professional army. Bretonnia has not.
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In terms of game mechanics, I think I remember Men at Arms having a pretty standard "human" statline, but with a few lower skills like leadership. Benefits were that they had decent armour, would not panic knights if they broke, and could use the leadership of nearby knightly units. Not really going to win many fights for you, just hold units in place long enough for the knights to charge in
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I wonder if the difference in terms of the campaign will be mostly demonstrated by not having an Honest Steel equivalent.
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If any Bretonnians have a skill that does anything but make men-at-arms cheaper, they're doing Bretonnia wrong. You will die in one of your liege lord's stupid battles and like it.
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Dragged out the ol' books. Versions might vary but men at arms were the same as empire spearmen statwise and lacking a point in weapon skill and initiative vs empire swordsmen. Their great advantage was being 4 points a model (including light armor) without any extra equipment which was basically as cheap as a human got in the game.
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wiegieman posted:If any Bretonnians have a skill that does anything but make men-at-arms cheaper, they're doing Bretonnia wrong. You will die in one of your liege lord's stupid battles and like it. e: Brets come 2/28, any word on when/if we get Isabella? Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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State Troops also got the 'detachments' special rule.
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Empire Soldier (swordsmen are slightly better) WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7 Armor is either 6+ or 5+ depending on if they have shields or not. This is mostly Halberdiers and Spearmen. Unlike in Total War, Halberdiers are the same tier as spearmen, and have similar armor Bretonnian Men-At-Arms WS 2 BS 2 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 5 Armor is 5+. Their champion upgrade gives them Ld 6 Men-At-Arms are 2 points cheaper than halberds and swordsmen with equivalent equipment, 1 point cheaper than equivalent spearmen. Unless there's a knight nearby to bolster the M-A-A morale, they will last approximately one round against an equivalent unit of state troops, and inflict fewer casualties (though still an appreciable amount) 20 Men-At-Arms: 100 points 15 Halberds with shields: 105 points Expected outcome of a round of combat, assuming standard 5 width: 3.3 dead halberdiers, 4.4 dead men-at-arms. Men-at-arms have about a 28% chance to stay and fight, otherwise they retreat. 72% chance to stay and fight if there's a knight nearby.
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Ravenfood posted:e: Brets come 2/28, any word on when/if we get Isabella? A pinned Creative Assembly comment on the Isabella video reads. CA posted:Isabella von Carstein is a new Legendary Lord that will be added for free with Bretonnia if we win the Make War Not Love competition currently ongoing.
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What if they don't win, not that there's any chance they won't? Bretonnia is gonna be a lot of fun because viable low-tier cavalry is sorely lacking in a lot of other races and will RESOUNDINGLY poo poo ALL OVER THE ELFS WITH ANY LUCK.
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jokes posted:What if they don't win, not that there's any chance they won't? I didn't think about it until right now but i do suppose that the cavalry faction would mess up the archer faction a bit.
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Why is the site for that contest so resoundingly awful? I can't log in.
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Feb 15, 2017 05:56
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Help...chaos armies are killing my Empire armies. Help.
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So if they don't win are they just going to delete isabella.dat?
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They'll delete the vampire counts entirely
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:So if they don't win are they just going to delete isabella.dat? It'll be included in a later free/paid dlc
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Help...chaos armies are killing my Empire armies. Get more chickens.
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wiegieman posted:If any Bretonnians have a skill that does anything but make men-at-arms cheaper, they're doing Bretonnia wrong. You will die in one of your liege lord's stupid battles and like it. Maybe it's the CK2 player in me but I just found myself nodding at this. I'm a bad person. I haven't played a Total War game in a long time but I'm loving the hell out of this. Having a tough time as VC against Dwarves though.
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Until you get AP units in all of your stacks, fighting Dwarfs will always be a pain especially if you have little or no artillery to force them to waddle to you. Also never fight underway battles against Dwarfs if you can. Even the AI could probably abuse the corridor map with Dwarfs.
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Trying to figure out which characters are the "super-Legendary" Lords for each race. You know, LLs that are deliberately overpowered for lore reasons, like Vlad von Carstein for the vampires and Grombrindal for the Dwarfs. Empire could go with Valten, Bretonnia could have the Green Knight/Gilles le Breton if they don't add Legendary Heroes, but the Greenskins have me stumped.
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toasterwarrior posted:Trying to figure out which characters are the "super-Legendary" Lords for each race. You know, LLs that are deliberately overpowered for lore reasons, like Vlad von Carstein for the vampires and Grombrindal for the Dwarfs. Greenskins don't have one because that kind of cheating is weedy and grot-like. 
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Help...chaos armies are killing my Empire armies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjO8XmcEGmk
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Help...chaos armies are killing my Empire armies. Bring more ap, have 4 cannons/some handgunners, use cav, bring one type of wizard (more if they have arcane conduit). If it's a huge stack of marauder horsemen then just autoresolve. toasterwarrior posted:Trying to figure out which characters are the "super-Legendary" Lords for each race. You know, LLs that are deliberately overpowered for lore reasons, like Vlad von Carstein for the vampires and Grombrindal for the Dwarfs. In multi, Vlad's not actally as good as Mannfred right now now. VC need Mannfred for his power generation since he's their only source of it and magic = zombies.
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John Charity Spring posted:Local Region and Local Province are indeed mechanically distinct things. Regions make up a province. You can see this easily with the Castellan-Engineer office for the Empire. -10% construction cost in the local region. Try moving the lord with that title around in a province and see how costs change depending on which settlement/region he's in. Aha! Thank you! This is what it was, not a wizard but Gelt himself (before I promoted him to Supreme Patriarch) loving up my early financial plans. Honestly it isn't a HUGE amount of money, but before getting any good trade or Marienburg it helps with recruiting that first stack without putting building on hold. Minor grievance now, but I hope they patch that some day. Local Region is retarded and had me thinking I was crazy.
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