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ungulateman posted:The trick is that 'the will of the Force' is actually Palpatine's will. Stover's doing the typical EU thing of literalizing the metaphors of the original films - in this case, Palpatine isn't just a canny politician who manipulates the Jedi, he's an all-powerful Sith lord who manipulates the Force itself.
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General Dog posted:The shot of Obi-Wan standing up at the top of the ramp off of Padme's ship, hands on his hips like a super disappointed dad is really good though. Last time I watched RotS with some friends, someone made a WWE joke about hearing Ben Kenobi's music.
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Halloween Jack posted:Well that's interesting because even in the films, Palpatine did manipulate the Force itself, insofar as he deliberately set out to make everyone in Republic society more factional and paranoid. Palpatine is just Dick Cheney. It's more accurate to say that he merely acted as an enabler. The fundamental issues were already there. Like the Trade Federation were already overtaxed by the decadent Nabooians, already had a history with the Jedi quashing their merest attempts at resistance. This also returns us to the point that, in strictly formal terms, Palpatine and Sidious are not the same character. In the films, Sidious simply fades out of the narrative, and then Palpatine transforms into a similar (but distinct) character called The Emperor. The vital point that Sidious - this ghostly, insubstantial character - is never so much as glimpsed by the protagonists gets lost when people buy into the mere plot mechanics and conclude that "Palpatine's behind it all" and so we simply need a 'tactical' response that will kill Palpatine. This does nothing against Sidious. In real-world terms, not even Dick Cheney was the problem. Cheney simply took full advantage to what was made readily available to him.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's more accurate to say that he merely acted as an enabler. The fundamental issues were already there. Like the Trade Federation were already overtaxed by the decadent Nabooians, already had a history with the Jedi quashing their merest attempts at resistance. I don't recall, but is he addressed as Sidious when he's talking to underlings via hologram?
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Feb 14, 2017 00:32
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Grievous is the first person to call him Lord Sidious.
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Feb 14, 2017 00:37
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One of the first lines in Phantom Menace is the Trade Federation toady saying, "This plan of yours has failed, Lord Sidious!"
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Feb 14, 2017 00:48
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I thought Nute called him that too.
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Hodgepodge posted:I don't recall, but is he addressed as Sidious when he's talking to underlings via hologram? Gunray addresses him as "My Lord", and believes Palpatine is a different person. Halloween Jack posted:Grievous is the first person to call him Lord Sidious. Dooku reveals Sidious' name to Obiwan in Episode 2.
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I corroborate that Nute Gunray, Count Dooku, and General Grievous all use the name Sidious in their respective films.
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It's interesting that Palpatine and Dooku largely seem to use their "Darth" personas as disguises (while ordering businessmen around, ordering clone armies, etc.), while for Vader seems a lot more invested in his Darth identity and the Darth lifestyle
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General Dog posted:It's interesting that Palpatine and Dooku largely seem to use their "Darth" personas as disguises (while ordering businessmen around, ordering clone armies, etc.), while for Vader seems a lot more invested in his Darth identity and the Darth lifestyle Well, he has a much harder time taking his work hat off at the end of the day than most Darths.
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homullus posted:waiiit what What do you think literary analysis is? Maxwell Lord posted:Of course passivity may not mean literal total inaction, but a sort of action in harmony, similar to the Hindu concept of dharma- doing things without making an active choice, being so in tune with the universe that you just do what it requires without needing to think it over. I'm not so sure, I'll have to think about this as to how it relates to the movies. That's basically the idea I was going for. After a certain point passivity can become its own kind of negative action, to the extent that your inaction is actually a form of resistance to the plan the universe has for you. It's the kind of passivity Luke is guilty of in A New Hope when he chooses to stay on the farm and not get involved, only to be rebuked by the universe in the form of the deaths of his aunt and uncle. edit: And I'm not saying the universe or the Force or whatever literally looked at the decision Luke made and decided to punish him. Owen and Beru would have died no matter what Luke decided. The point is that there really only was one correct choice to make, and the longer Luke resisted making it, the more and more apparent it would become as his world increasingly fell apart all around him. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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Cnut the Great posted:What do you think literary analysis is? I think literary analysis is such that "creative misinterpretation" is impossible, if I understand rightly what you meant by that phrase. To me, "creative misinterpretation" denotes a cohesive reading the speaker considers far-fetched or otherwise undesirable.
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Gotta rewatch the prequels now, cool.
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You really don't have to. You could go take a walk instead. Pick up a new book. Take a cooking class. Volunteer at a dog shelter. There are many things you could do with that time. If you choose to watch the prequels, you've made your own choice and you'll have to live with it for the rest of your life.
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Halloween Jack posted:Gotta rewatch the prequels now, cool. Cool, they are awesome. The remaster of aotc and rots look great. Good luck !
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feedmyleg posted:You really don't have to. You could go take a walk instead. Pick up a new book. Take a cooking class. Volunteer at a dog shelter. There are many things you could do with that time. If you choose to watch the prequels, you've made your own choice and you'll have to live with it for the rest of your life. You could even read and respond to this thread if watching the prequels sounds like an awful idea!
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I wish you luck on your film-viewing quest. If you find any treasure, please let us know.
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feedmyleg posted:You really don't have to. You could go take a walk instead. Pick up a new book. Take a cooking class. Volunteer at a dog shelter. There are many things you could do with that time. If you choose to watch the prequels, you've made your own choice and you'll have to live with it for the rest of your life. I mean I'll probably wait until Rogue 1 comes out on DVD so I can watch 1>2>3>R1>4>5>6>7.
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euphronius posted:Cool, they are awesome. The remaster of aotc and rots look great. Good luck !
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Halloween Jack posted:I mean I'll probably wait until Rogue 1 comes out on DVD so I can watch 1>2>3>R1>4>5>6>7. I guess the Machete Order doesn't work with R1?
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The_Doctor posted:I guess the Machete Order doesn't work Yeah, nothing's changed.
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If you're going to ignore a movie for the sake of the saga's overall structure, ignore rotj, since everything but the 100% literal events is ignored in tfa Hell if Snoke is the Emperor it's nearly ignored in its entirety, just with some creative renaming
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I rewatched the prequels last weekend, after not having seen them in over 10 years. I didn't want to talk about it because I ended up liking them a little more this time around.
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That underwater creature eating scene is great in Phantom Menace. Very reminiscent of the asteroid worm in Empire.
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Freakazoid_ posted:I rewatched the prequels last weekend, after not having seen them in over 10 years. It's kinda ridiculous to be afraid of talking about liking movies unless that movie is, like, Suss the Jew or something.
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https://twitter.com/OhSoSmall/status/831249638342664192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Why do they still need someone in the can, exactly? People make fully remote control ones at home with all the movements, sound and lights, so I'm sure ILM can make one for their film.
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They use remote control sometimes but he'll be the actor when R2 is walking around on two legs.
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They need a guy because idiots are afraid of CG and Disney/Lucasfilm still feels a gross need to pander to those people. There's no way he'll ever be the guy making Artoo move around at all except maybe turning the head-part around a couple of times.
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They need a guy for when they reach the bottom of the nerdstalgia OT rehashes barrel and need to do an R2-D2 origin movie.
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time for my bimonthly Weird Star Wars Posting Starkiller Base isn't just 'the Death Star, but bigger'. It's Darth Vader - but not SMG's cool, Christ figure. It's Disney's Star WarsTM Darth Vader, and desperately needs redeeming. - The Death Star destroys planets and emerges from their destruction ("that's no moon..."). Starkiller Base is an entire planet, "more machine now than man", converted into a killing machine. - The Death Star destroys fairytale kingdoms like Alderaan - and replaces them with its own nightmarish 'machine world'. Starkiller Base's only targets are the Republic, and nothing arises to replace it, because the First Order has no interest in being the Republic-Empire. - The Death Star is green lines converging - a fasces, to keep the local systems in line. Starkiller Base is red lines diverging - a lightsaber-hand, to destroy utterly. The 'crushing hand' is associated directly with Vader (even if Leia considers him a perfectly willing servant of the Empire). The Emperor, on the other hand, prefers lightning converging from each finger into a single target. Compare and contrast with the neat lines of battle droids deployed from TPM's Control Ship. - The drat thing is named after him - Anakin Starkiller from The Adventures of the Star Wars, 1973. But it's not Invader Base, or even the Darth Star - it's, weirdly, his 'human' side that gets attached to it. - Anakin dies because a woman in chrome gets him to 'lower his shields'.  - In his death throes, Vader throws away Palpatine to save his son. In its death throes, Starkiller Base throws away Rey (who probably isn't a Palpatine, but let me dream) to save Kylo Ren - but this is simultaneously a thematic statement ('care for your family, i guess'?) and a transparent effort to avoid ending the conflict in the first film. Something's up! Importantly, the new canon is going to great lengths to equate Anakin and Darth Vader - to 'canonise' Luke's insistence that there's still good in him, and that good is Anakin Skywalker's, not Darth Vader's (see Ahsoka breaking Vader's mask to reveal a lovely Rebels-model of Anakin's face). That's why the Clone Wars is canon, so fans have official proof that he was 'a cunning warrior, and a good friend', rather than Obi-Wan being a nostalgic liar. The idea that Anakin is an immature fascist and Vader the true hero is a very dangerous idea for the Disney ungulateman fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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The_Doctor posted:Why do they still need someone in the can, exactly? People make fully remote control ones at home with all the movements, sound and lights, so I'm sure ILM can make one for their film. This is a misconception, all home-made R2s actually contain a little person but they're usually uncredited, as is tradition.
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First look at the main trio in the new movie, from a toy box. In summary, new helmet for Poe, no more buns for Rey and Finn is still in his boyfriend's jacket. Awwwwww.
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Rey with her hair down  Obi-Wan wore his hair long and down in Episode II  Rey confirmed a Kenobi
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Legit thought he was the real actor for the base CGI model of Snoke at first.
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dialhforhero posted:Legit thought he was the real actor for the base CGI model of Snoke at first. Confirmed R2D2 is Snoke. Think about it. Snoke only appears via hologram. Who has the ability to project holograms?  And R2 just so happens to wake up at the end of the movie after we're done seeing Snoke. R2 also just happens to be at the center of every important event throughout the movies history. He's been pulling the strings all along. Makes too much sense.
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