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yeah, yonhap or korea herald
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Charlz Guybon posted:I usually go here 
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Park just announced she is going to "allow Parliament to decide her fate", aka step down rather than being impeached. http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2016/11/29/0301000000AEN20161129006800315.html
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Lum_ posted:Park just announced she is going to "allow Parliament to decide her fate", aka step down rather than being impeached. Does this mean an early election or a caretaker president until the scheduled one? Also, what will this mean for the election? I know Park herself won an election to succeed an incredibly unpopular president from her own party so I can't tell if this matters when she's out of the picture.
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Most likely a caretaker "president" until elections are held in a year. If Park officially resigns there will be new elections in 2 months that no one is ready for/wants. If Park simply steps aside for a caretaker government then everyone muddles through. The Ask A Korean blog posted a good writeup of where Korean politics currently stand (completely hosed): http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-ultimate-choi-soon-sil-gate.html It's important to remember that the second Park steps down officially she will almost certainly be indicted on corruption charges. Lum_ fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Lum_ posted:Park just announced she is going to "allow Parliament to decide her fate", aka step down rather than being impeached. So they will drag their feet on asking her to step down and then just go through with impeaching her anyway? I didn't think they were under much obligation to help her out and "making a transition plan" is a transparent stalling tactic on her part. I read she was immune from prosecution while in office which seems super weird to me as a westerner but I'm assuming there's a line of very hungry lawyers perched outside her office at all times.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:So they will drag their feet on asking her to step down and then just go through with impeaching her anyway? The head of state being more or less immune to prosecution is pretty common in western countries as well, though. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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She's likely angling for a deal where she resigns in exchange for some form of immunity or decision not to prosecute.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:So they will drag their feet on asking her to step down and then just go through with impeaching her anyway? The President of the United States is almost certainly immune from prosecution, so that isn't that weird. I say almost certainly because pretty much every legal expert agrees, but there isn't a written case or an express law, but it is essentially required by the constitution.
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nm posted:The President of the United States is almost certainly immune from prosecution, so that isn't that weird. I say almost certainly because pretty much every legal expert agrees, but there isn't a written case or an express law, but it is essentially required by the constitution. I'm confused by this. I know it is de facto true, but there's an actual legal basis for it? Wasn't/isn't there still stuff going on with Trump and some of his lawsuits?
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I'm confused by this. I know it is de facto true, but there's an actual legal basis for it? Wasn't/isn't there still stuff going on with Trump and some of his lawsuits? In many Western democracies, including the US, lawmakers and certain high officials have a some degree of immunity under certain circumstances, in order to limit the potential for abusing the legal system for the sake of blatant partisan fuckery. For example, in the US, sitting members of Congress cannot be arrested while in the Congressional chamber, and they are immune to prosecution for anything they did on the floor of Congress (there are exceptions for certain crimes, like treason, though). This is real, written law, written right into the Constitution. The immunity goes away if Congress itself kicks them out of Congress, so it's not an impenetrable shield - the intention is to limit the executive branch's ability to use the power of arrest to directly interfere with the workings of the legislative branch. Similarly, the Supreme Court has ruled that the President can't be sued for official acts undertaken in their role as a president. I don't think there's a matching immunity for criminal acts, but there's a de facto immunity in that as the head of the branch tasked with carrying out and executing the law, the President is the boss of everyone who might possibly have the power or authority to prosecute him - at least, until he's impeached.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I'm confused by this. I know it is de facto true, but there's an actual legal basis for it? Wasn't/isn't there still stuff going on with Trump and some of his lawsuits? He has criminal immunity. In short: To allow the judiciary/states to put a sitting president in prison violates the separation of power/federalism. Once impeached and removed (which is constitutional as it is in the constitution) or end of term, he can be prosecuted. I assume the SoL would toll during that period.
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Yeah, the usual rule is western parliamentary republics is that the President (or equivalent) as head of state is immune to prosecution for any acts undertaken in an official capacity with exceptions for charges of high treason and the like. Any prosecution of such a case generally also requires that the respective country's parliament takes the initiative for prosecution instead of the regular court system. Some countries do allow the President to be prosecuted for crimes committed while in office, but only after said President's term has ended, though. Then we also have the western constitutional monarchies, where the monarch as a rule, in their capacity as Sovereign, is flat-out immune to prosecution for any crimes whatsoever.
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Main Paineframe posted:In many Western democracies, including the US, lawmakers and certain high officials have a some degree of immunity under certain circumstances, in order to limit the potential for abusing the legal system for the sake of blatant partisan fuckery. For example, in the US, sitting members of Congress cannot be arrested while in the Congressional chamber, and they are immune to prosecution for anything they did on the floor of Congress (there are exceptions for certain crimes, like treason, though). This is real, written law, written right into the Constitution. The immunity goes away if Congress itself kicks them out of Congress, so it's not an impenetrable shield - the intention is to limit the executive branch's ability to use the power of arrest to directly interfere with the workings of the legislative branch.
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Platystemon posted:The only thing the average person knows about Rasputin is that he’s unkillable. and hes a love machine.
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snergle posted:and hes a love machine. "Horses are particularly well endowed, but that does not make them sensitive lovers, Percy."
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What, no discussion of North Korea's former (now defected) UK-Ambassador speaking out about the Un regime? I mean, I know there's been repeated defectors claiming the regime will collapse any time now over the years but still.
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He's not telling us a lot we don't already know, or recommending anything new. The regime is definitely unsustainable, and he recommends hastening its collapse by engaging the population through consumerism. Even assuming that makes a difference, okay, what then? The most interesting things he had to say were about the lack of naivete among the high officialdom and their lack of rapport with Jong Un.
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Most defectors predict this sort of thing. At this point I will believe it when I see it.
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And it's not like there are still millions of North Koreans who believe everything propaganda tells them about the outside world, who are just waiting to have their eyes open by a smuggled South Korean soap opera.
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Reports coming in that Kim Jong-nam has been assassinated. http://www.nst.com.my/news/2017/02/212447/update-kim-jong-uns-half-brother-reportedly-assassinated-kl?m=1 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/14/kim-jong-un-half-brother-reportedly-killed-malaysia-north-korea?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Biggus Dickus posted:Reports coming in that Kim Jong-nam has been assassinated.
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Makes me wonder if that's why it happened in Malaysia - those friendly relations may have made it easier to do. I wasn't aware there had been previous attempts on his life either. Edit: I don't mean that they allowed it, more that NK exploited that relationship to pull it off.
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sinking belle posted:Malaysia has historically had unusually warm relations with the DPRK compared to most of East/Southeast Asia and it looks like KJU just straight up torpedoed 40 years of stable diplomacy with his paranoia. Absolutely mad.
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Oh man, that was the Disneyland guy, right? He was my favorite of the Kim brothers 
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How can you pass over legendary Eric Clapton fan Kim Jong-chul? (Same way Kim Jong-il did I suppose)
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Un's half brother apparently just got assasinated in Malaysia. Phoneposting no link. Source Al Jazeera
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Medieval Medic posted:Un's half brother apparently just got assasinated in Malaysia. Phoneposting no link. Source Al Jazeera Chemical spray in a shopping area. Now I want to know what chemical. Wasn't he the dude who defected to go to Disney World? Edit: we both should read the thread Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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A beautiful and accurate haiku.
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Kim Jong-nam is dead Blasted in the face with piss What a way to go
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Did he ever get to visit Disneyland? 
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Nope, got busted with a fake passport trying, that's what led Jong-Il to withdraw favoured status in the line to the throne.
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Tias posted:Nope, got busted with a fake passport trying, that's what led Jong-Il to withdraw favoured status in the line to the throne.
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https://twitter.com/goldengateblond/status/831756598041260032/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Edit: also Malaysian police found the bodies of the two women suspected of killing Kim.
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drat, that's some old school cold blooded poo poo.
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If I get murdered, I hope it's by Korean Daria Nicolodi.
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Kurtofan posted:Edit: also Malaysian police found the bodies of the two women suspected of killing Kim. I don't know what they are actually trying to cover up with killing them, unless their orders were to commit suicide after killing him.
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If it is true that North Korea was behind it, which seems very likely, Kim Jong-Un is NOT the jolly type of fat man. First his uncle, now his half-brother. I don't like people that murder their family.
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More the Henry VIII type, I suppose.
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