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Condiv posted:i'd prefer that option too. too bad establishment dems are going to stonewall any attempt at change The farther Western states that are sparsely populated and mostly white are basically perfect for Sanders style Dems to wrest control away from entrenched Republicans.
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Lightning Knight posted:The farther Western states that are sparsely populated and mostly white are basically perfect for Sanders style Dems to wrest control away from entrenched Republicans. i maintain forever that Los Angeles is a natural jumping-off point for Sanderistas, if theyd only be bothered to actually campaign here
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Feb 15, 2017 20:19
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I'm hoping Keith loses so I can continue to feel smugly superior when I vote for him every other year
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paranoid randroid posted:i maintain forever that Los Angeles is a natural jumping-off point for Sanderistas, if theyd only be bothered to actually campaign here probably too expensive to get residence there Lightning Knight posted:The farther Western states that are sparsely populated and mostly white are basically perfect for Sanders style Dems to wrest control away from entrenched Republicans. oklahoma's tough cause the dem party is drat near skeletal at this point and the dnc doesn't give a poo poo
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Feb 15, 2017 20:23
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Crowsbeak posted:. But hten you guys are too far up your own asses to actually admit that you're idols wrecked this country and we need to appeal to the working class. And that's why Dems attempting to appeal to labor with the most respected labor secretary since FDRs as chairman is totally suicidal and shows their TRUE contempt for workers. Only Californian tech workers can ever understand that what these people truly need is wholly symbolic wins by the aforementioned tech workers.
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Feb 15, 2017 20:24
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Munkeymon posted:I'm hoping Keith loses so I can continue to feel smugly superior when I vote for him every other year I'd be really sad if I lived in Ellison's district.  quote:oklahoma's tough cause the dem party is drat near skeletal at this point and the dnc doesn't give a poo poo I mean, it's the story everywhere man. Gotta start somewhere.
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Feb 15, 2017 20:25
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Fulchrum posted:And that's why Dems attempting to appeal to labor with the most respected labor secretary since FDRs as chairman is totally suicidal and shows their TRUE contempt for workers. Only Californian tech workers can ever understand that what these people truly need is wholly symbolic wins by the aforementioned tech workers. the guy might have good relationships with working people and have done good work for them but he has some bad ideas of how to help them imo (doing the bidding of the very people who made loving workers over an unspoken core part of the platform)
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Fulchrum posted:And that's why Dems attempting to appeal to labor with the most respected labor secretary since FDRs as chairman is totally suicidal and shows their TRUE contempt for workers. Only Californian tech workers can ever understand that what these people truly need is wholly symbolic wins by the aforementioned tech workers. if the differences between perez and ellison are entirely symbolic then certainly perez should go ahead and withdraw his candidacy, and biden shouldn't have bothered to endorse ellison. i mean, biden is already getting what he wants through ellison!
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Feb 15, 2017 20:27
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Fulchrum posted:And that's why Dems attempting to appeal to labor with the most respected labor secretary since FDRs as chairman is totally suicidal and shows their TRUE contempt for workers. Only Californian tech workers can ever understand that what these people truly need is wholly symbolic wins by the aforementioned tech workers. Its a good thing that Keith Ellison isn't a tech worker from Silicon Valley then.
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Feb 15, 2017 20:27
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Perez should drop out and agree to become Ellison's vice chair.
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Feb 15, 2017 20:30
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Condiv posted:if the differences between perez and ellison are entirely symbolic then certainly perez should go ahead and withdraw his candidacy, and biden shouldn't have bothered to endorse ellison. i mean, biden is already getting what he wants through ellison! I think there is a legitimate argument to be made that Perez being presently lacking in a position, versus Ellison as an established congressman, would imply that in terms of resource utilization it may be better to put Perez in and let Ellison do more work in Congress or run for higher office. On the flip side, Perez could run for office, however. ^ that would be good. Won't happen, but it would be cool.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Neither Perez or Ellision are going to change anything major. Ellison becoming chair doesn't result in the DNC stop taking money from big banks, it doesnt stop the DNC from clearing fields where it makes sense. It doesnt change primary rules. The two are defined by their opposition. Ellison is opposed by the party faction that just pissed away the biggest gimme election in history.
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Feb 15, 2017 20:31
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Ellison and Perez should commit ritual suicide for standing against the rightful heir, Peter Buttigieg
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paranoid randroid posted:Ellison and Perez should commit ritual suicide for standing against the rightful heir, Peter Buttigieg Butts out for Buttigieg.  
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Lightning Knight posted:I think there is a legitimate argument to be made that Perez being presently lacking in a position, versus Ellison as an established congressman, would imply that in terms of resource utilization it may be better to put Perez in and let Ellison do more work in Congress or run for higher office. On the flip side, Perez could run for office, however. imo perez should run for office before he should be DNC chair. he has near no experience with campaigns
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hey Tom and Keith... why dont you "butt out?" haha just a little ButtigiegBro humor for ya there
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paranoid randroid posted:Ellison and Perez should commit ritual suicide for standing against the rightful heir, Peter Buttigieg i wouldn't mind buttigieg, he's done some real good recently, but he's got less of a chance than ellison sadly.
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Feb 15, 2017 20:34
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Condiv posted:imo perez should run for office before he should be DNC chair. he has near no experience with campaigns The previously stated thing was that he should run for Governor of Maryland. I think that DNC chair Ellison and Governor Perez would be the ideal solution to placate all parties involved.
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Condiv posted:i wouldn't mind buttigieg, he's done some real good recently, but he's got less of a chance than ellison sadly. honestly i know less about the guy than i do about that South Carolina dude who is basically hopeless and terrible.
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Lightning Knight posted:The previously stated thing was that he should run for Governor of Maryland. I think that DNC chair Ellison and Governor Perez would be the ideal solution to placate all parties involved. i wouldn't mind that paranoid randroid posted:honestly i know less about the guy than i do about that South Carolina dude who is basically hopeless and terrible. he wrote a really good essay on bernie back in 2000, and he's been protesting with protesters what i've seen of him is much better than what I've seen of perez. ellison's the most established of all of them though
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Condiv posted:if the differences between perez and ellison are entirely symbolic then certainly perez should go ahead and withdraw his candidacy, and biden shouldn't have bothered to endorse ellison. i mean, biden is already getting what he wants through ellison! Cute. No, see, being better at coordinating a large organisation is the big difference. It's essentially pragmatism vs. Symbolism Crowsbeak posted:Its a good thing that Keith Ellison isn't a tech worker from Silicon Valley then. As we can tell by the fact that he and Perez want the same thing and Ellisson isn't throwing a hissy fit and leaving the party if Perez wins. Alter Ego posted:The two are defined by their opposition. Ellison is opposed by the party faction that just pissed away the biggest gimme election in history. You mean the SEIU? And Perez is opposed by Hillary's biggest defender, so if we're playing that game...
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While Perez was a good Secretary of Labor, I don't think you can reasonably argue he's better at fundraising organization or campaign strategy than Ellison with no prior experience.
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Fulchrum posted:Cute. No, see, being better at coordinating a large organisation is the big difference. It's essentially pragmatism vs. Symbolism where's the evidence of perez being better suited to this than ellison? DOL is a very different organization than the DNC, and so far in the race perez hasn't showed an ounce of the leadership of ellison
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Condiv posted:he wrote a really good essay on bernie back in 2000, and he's been protesting with protesters thats pretty dope and yeah the biggest knock against Perez is that hes a dull functionary who doesnt really seem cut out for the cheerleader aspect of being DNC chair.
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Picking Perez would be a sign of rejecting the conspiracy theorist effort to take over the Democratic Party by stomping their feet and threatening to not vote if they're ever denied anything. That would be a fairly lovely reason to pick someone for an apparatchik bureaucrat position, but so is picking Ellison as some absurd effort to unperson Obama.
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Brainiac Five posted:Picking Perez would be a sign of rejecting the conspiracy theorist effort to take over the Democratic Party by stomping their feet and threatening to not vote if they're ever denied anything. That would be a fairly lovely reason to pick someone for an apparatchik bureaucrat position, but so is picking Ellison as some absurd effort to unperson Obama. Achieve Balance - Vote Buttigieg
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paranoid randroid posted:thats pretty dope https://www.jfklibrary.org/Education/Profile-in-Courage-Essay-Contest/~/media/32A849B1D0E6446B9BCAFCCDF90B2BB8.pdf i'm assuming you haven't read it yet, but this is buttigieg's essay on bernie. it's pretty inspirational imo
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paranoid randroid posted:honestly i know less about the guy than i do about that South Carolina dude who is basically hopeless and terrible. This doesn't have anything to do with the DNC, but he ran the local half-marathon last year and finished in 1:48 https://runsignup.com/Race/Results/32607/IndividualResult/NNTd#U14013461
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RaySmuckles posted:i'm well aware of the history of unions, the gilded age, and turn of the century politics Oh, I agree. It's a difficult fight with no guarantee of success. But it's been won before under far worse circumstances, so the decay of the institutions built by those victories isn't a good excuse for not trying. If people were honestly trying to rebuild the institutions and organize a lasting progressive movement, "but it's hard, the system is against us" would be fine. But aside from some outliers, like BLM, that's not really happening and all that leftist rage isn't being channeled into useful pursuits. I'm sick of watching leftists get so mad that they take to the streets en masse and march for change...and then when they're done marching and go home, they're totally done and essentially disappear, leaving behind nothing but plenty of war stories about how they totally Occupied their local public space and they held signs and everything and it was just such a great victory for the people. It's happened over and over and over again, and I'm absolutely sick of self-proclaimed progressives who think civic engagement just means marching around with a sign for a few days and then writing a totally sick burn on the establishment in their "Write-In Candidate" box on the ballot three years later.
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Fulchrum posted:
I actually said I would work to push the DFL to the left and ensure Ellison not some nobody from the legislator can build on the legacy of Mark Dayton. I like how you centrists claim I lie.
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How about Perez and Ellison both be DNC chairs so dipshit political naifs stop getting mad for no good goddamned reason and direct their anger towards the fash.
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Kristov posted:How about Perez and Ellison both be DNC chairs so dipshit political naifs stop getting mad for no good goddamned reason and direct their anger towards the fash. Eastern and Western DNC chairs worked great for Rome
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah you know what I am talking about you defending Jefferson after he blamed lowerclass black and hispanic males for Abuelas lost. On the trade front. I don't see you condemning Jefferson Clay's positions in the economic crises thread. Whatever JC does has nothing to do with me except to the extent that you are making up lies and whatever he does in other threads I don't care about. You are a lying mother fucker you lying mother fucker. I helpfully bolded the parts that are lies. Brainiac Five posted:Picking Perez would be a sign of rejecting the conspiracy theorist effort to take over the Democratic Party by stomping their feet and threatening to not vote if they're ever denied anything. That would be a fairly lovely reason to pick someone for an apparatchik bureaucrat position, but so is picking Ellison as some absurd effort to unperson Obama. It's almost like people in this thread are using this decision as a proxy for all sorts of insane nonsense instead of what is actually is.
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Kristov posted:How about Perez and Ellison both be DNC chairs so dipshit political naifs stop getting mad for no good goddamned reason and direct their anger towards the fash. you're suggesting there be two dnc chairs while calling other people political naifs?
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paranoid randroid posted:Eastern and Western DNC chairs I mean, it allowed the Roman Empire machine to last all the way up to the end of WW1.
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Condiv posted:you're suggesting there be two dnc chairs while calling other people political naifs? Yes. They can each work 3-4 days a week and trade off every other weekend. Disputes will be settled by kickball games.
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Tom Perez appeared on a Washington Post podcast. In particular, he talks about the failings of Clinton's campaign.
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Cease to Hope posted:Tom Perez appeared on a Washington Post podcast. i'm not listening to a capehart podcast or reading a capehart article. i try not to consume fake news
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Nevvy Z posted:Whatever JC does has nothing to do with me except to the extent that you are making up lies and whatever he does in other threads I don't care about. You are a lying mother fucker you lying mother fucker. I helpfully bolded the parts that are lies. Not aloe at all. It's to bad you can pretend that wasn't racist. But that is neoliberalism.
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quote:“The first dimension of culture change … is we have to redefine our mission. It’s not simply the election of the president. It is the election of candidates from the school board to the Senate,” Perez said in the latest episode of “Cape Up.” He said that the best way to accomplish this is to make sure the endeavor is “a 12-month enterprise, not just a three-month enterprise before the election.”
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