new phone who dis posted:

your average US citizen ... a consumer of cheap poo poo made by slaves.

nomadologique posted:

i'm not a liberal. i have no political affiliation.

it's important to have perspective. WE are the problem, every single loving one of us, because we vacuum up dumb poo poo with our mouths and our assholes that we do not need. because we do, really, nothing, in our day to day life, to change that; we just go to the voting booth and ask them please to make our healthcare better.

i'm not saying you should cozy up to the elite. i'm saying it is straight up ignorant to think that american presidents aren't working day in day out to make the lives of americans better -- and they do, every day, at the cost of other people, around the world, who suffer horribly so we can drive cars and watch reality TV.

nomadologique posted:

we live in luxury every single loving day. just because our internal luxury differential is huge we are fooled into thinking the american rich have luxury and the american poor have squat. that is completely insane. compared to the rest of the world, americans live in luxury every loving day. the poo poo we take for granted is enough to make a person's head explode.

nomadologique posted:

the richer the rich get, the richer the poor get, you doofus.

that's how it works, that's how it's always worked. there is no magical society where rich, powerful people disenfranchise themselves for your benefit. you get what they allow you, that's it. welcome to the real world.

Haverchuck posted:

putins game is to promote the rise of right wing nationalist governments all over the west with the end goal of weakening nato/un

old fat bird posted:

It's funny millennial's have only been alive for 20 years because the CIA is the least trusted branch of the Government within the Government

nomadologique posted:

guess what guys slavery never went away it just changed its outfit.

the plantation owner works for the sake of the plantation.

nomadologique posted:

the richer the rich get, the richer the poor get, you doofus.

Bholder posted:

Simce we came to a common understanding that both sides are terrible, when will the peasant rebellion start?

revdrkevind posted:

It is both true that the poor of America are steeped in luxury unimaginable to most of the world, AND. ALSO. IN ADDITION TO. America's poor are being stepped on and abused for the gain of an elite few.

Moridin920 posted:

gettin' high on this pure ideology, comrades

nomadologique posted:

i agree. what i am saying is, that's how it works. there is no picture of things where rich people don't benefit disproportionately from all generalized gains.

if you wanna live better than a third worlder, your options are: be a poor schmuck in america; be a rich rear end in a top hat in america.

let's imagine a world where, internally, americans "level the playing field" between our rich and our poor -- guess what, fuckers. now you're RICH. now you get to be the bad guy, as everyone else in the world starves and fantasizes about murdering you.

"oh dear," you say to your spouse, "how is it, without noticing, we crossed the line? how did we compromise our moral framework and become what we always despised? is that what the world is? how did i get here?"

then you turn the music up a little louder, and pour more wine.

nomadologique posted:

they do.

i cannot stress this enough.

everything the american government does is for america. it is not for people around the world.

everything done by the american government is done to establish favorable economic conditions for americans, that will bring wealth from all over the world, and put it into the american economy. it is because of this economy that you can go to the grocery store and buy food any day of the week. that is not a luxury that people have everywhere.

we live in luxury every single loving day. just because our internal luxury differential is huge we are fooled into thinking the american rich have luxury and the american poor have squat. that is completely insane. compared to the rest of the world, americans live in luxury every loving day. the poo poo we take for granted is enough to make a person's head explode.

don't like your shoes? they're wearing out? throw em away, go to the store, buy a new pair. you can pick from any of ten thousand kinds.

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Communism will probably be the final incarnation of humanity, but we are not there yet. So realign your expectations accordingly

The Skeleton King posted:

This is terrible logic. Let's not improve our nation or our lives because people are starving somewhere else.

Moridin920 posted:

nomadologique posted:

instead of speaking truth to power, i speak truth to the powerless, and they get annoyed, because they don't want to hear that the obnoxious and exploitative bullshit the rich have been feeding them all along is... IS REAL.

there isn't an economy in human history that wasn't trickle down, lol.

what that translates to, for you, is: it sucks to be poor.

Toadvine posted:

With metaphors like this I'm confused whether you're defending the system in place

nomadologique posted:

i am trying to explain economic facts

nomadologique posted:

all you american poors out there crying about your misery, please, try to get a handle on how much better off you are than some schmuck in a fabric factory in bangladesh.

the reason for that is because your masters are rich, and let you eat their scraps.

without them, you too would be scraping mud out of a hole wishing to die a swift death.

Moridin920 posted:

Okay I'ma get serious for a moment here and say you really are chugging on ideology here and you dunno what you're talking about.

America is the richest nation in the history of the world because of the middle class, not because billionaires made it so. We have billionaires because the middle class, not because they have just always existed and deign to give us a little more. The richest feudal kings didn't have nearly the wealth Bill Gates does and that is because of a relatively rich citizen base (relative to the rest of the world).

Your cart is way way out in front of your horse here.

really queer Christmas posted:

nomadologique posted:

if you want to say the slaves run the plantation, i'll give it to you. they sure don't act like it.

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there isn't an economy in human history that wasn't trickle down, lol.

Moridin920 posted:

Okay I'ma get serious for a moment here and say you really are chugging on ideology here and you dunno what you're talking about.

America is the richest nation in the history of the world because of the middle class, not because billionaires made it so. We have billionaires because the middle class, not because they have just always existed and deign to give us a little more. The richest feudal kings didn't have nearly the wealth Bill Gates does and that is because of a relatively rich citizen base (relative to the rest of the world).

Your cart is way way out in front of your horse here.

new phone who dis posted:

So, I raise my hand and ask him: "If everyone becomes 100% efficient through use of your programs and workforces are cut 90% in response, who is going to buy all the poo poo everyone is cranking out at 100% efficiency?" The actual answer to this was "We don't care, we just want to do it here to save money." I'm 100% sure every other company is busy cutting their own throat thinking the same thing.

Lumpy the Cook posted:

NATO is a terror organization.

Professor SJW posted:

i dont know what the deep state is but they never called me and told me what to report. sounds like it would be cool tho! like a spy movie.

Lumpy the Cook posted:

It was very nice of Obama to wait for years and years and years to sign off on an executive order legalizing gay marriage until he could use it as a smokescreen to fast-track TPP through the House without an uproar. I'm sure he really deeply cared about America's minority groups and wasn't just cynically using them for his own ends.

Moridin920 posted:

Yup. It's just bad Capitalism fueled by human short sightedness. Don't even need to bring Marx stuff into it at all. Famous capitalists like Henry Ford would tell you the exact same thing.

Someone has to buy the stuff you're making or you're not making money.

nomadologique posted:

all you american poors out there crying about your misery, please, try to get a handle on how much better off you are than some schmuck in a fabric factory in bangladesh.

the reason for that is because your masters are rich, and let you eat their scraps.

without them, you too would be scraping mud out of a hole wishing to die a swift death.

That Robot posted:

it's always snarky poo poo with you

Moridin920 posted:

Yup. It's just bad Capitalism fueled by human short sightedness. Don't even need to bring Marx stuff into it at all. Famous capitalists like Henry Ford would tell you the exact same thing.

Someone has to buy the stuff you're making or you're not making money.

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

Failing to deal with Iran now is just exacerbating problems of a future crisis. In particular, the possibility of Iran developing nuclear capabilities is very real while Obamais off trying to perfect his putting.

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Hillary's mentor was a Grand Wizard lmao

nomadologique posted:

tyrants appear, organize labor, and produce a surplus; from this, a luxury economy is born. economies are built on the forceful organization of society by violent nutjobs.