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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Has there ever been a functioning commune ever ? There have been quite a few, before CIA intervention. Have a meme: 
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before history, societies probably functioned more or less how you imagine communes to, and while they almost certainly had problems, they were probably pretty good by today's standards.
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Feb 16, 2017 21:51
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nomadologique posted:before history, societies probably functioned more or less how you imagine communes to, and while they almost certainly had problems, they were probably pretty good by today's standards. Also yeah that's a good point! Communes are what humans naturally seemed to tend towards and they must have worked fairly well since we're here today.
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Feb 16, 2017 21:53
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Whenever hippies or punks try to organize communes they always go to poo poo, or they end up having a defacto leader that makes decisions. Interpersonal squabbles and cliques form and then its perpetual conflict
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Feb 16, 2017 21:53
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Has there ever been a functioning commune ever ? Does the mobile ancient isrealite camp count?
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Feb 16, 2017 21:53
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Moridin920 posted:Also yeah that's a good point! Communes are what humans naturally seemed to tend towards and they must have worked fairly well since we're here today. Not communes, Tribes, just like I said. You form a gang and you guys get yours
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Feb 16, 2017 21:54
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Not communes, Tribes, just like I said. You form a gang and you guys get yours No, communes. As in you and your direct family are not an individual economic unit and the tribe works together and pools all resources for the good of everyone. Obv yeah they had conflicts with other tribes. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Feb 16, 2017 21:56
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those things aren't mutually exclusive. the economic/political structure of a quasi independent prehistoric tribe probably functioned, in the absence of imperial concerns, much like a commune. instantiating a commune in the field of activity of empire is probably impossible, because the commune is beset on all sides by forces it cannot cope with.
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Feb 16, 2017 21:57
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Crimson Harvest posted:Does the mobile ancient isrealite camp count? nostalgia for the war machine...
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Feb 16, 2017 21:58
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nomadologique posted:the commune is beset on all sides by forces it cannot cope with. Permanent revolution comrade  Let me ask this to the doubters: if communes are doomed to fail because human nature then why did we intervene on so many of them in S. America? If communes are naturally authoritarian, what's was our removal of Salvador Allende, a democratically elected president, in favor of installing Pinochet? Henry Kissinger posted:“I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende#Presidency
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Feb 16, 2017 22:00
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Look, whenever I think about communism I think "Who's gonna get to live beach side, and who's gonna live under the power lines"
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Feb 16, 2017 22:00
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Spunky just tryna help the coloreds escape the gubberment plantation.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:00
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Look, whenever I think about communism I think "Who's gonna get to live beach side, and who's gonna live under the power lines" It's fair enough to say that there will always be a societal pyramid of some sort. I merely think that flattening it out a bit wouldn't be so bad. The USSR failed for many reasons other than just human nature and many of those things have yet to be addressed by Leftists imo. The functional impossibility of a 100% planned economy for example (although maybe tech can help us out there). There was a train shipment of shoes to some town in the USSR but it was all left shoes because (iirc) someone forgot to sign the requisition form for the right shoes. That's some lol.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:02
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bro you don't wanna live beachside that property is gonna be underwater in a couple decades.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:03
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Moridin920 posted:It's fair enough to say that there will always be a societal pyramid of some sort. I merely think that flattening it out a bit wouldn't be so bad. Agreed. Like I said before the major problem is that .00001% of the world holds 1/3 of the wealth
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Moridin920 posted:It's fair enough to say that there will always be a societal pyramid of some sort. then i think our only disagreement is that what you see as a difference in nature, i see as a difference in degree.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:04
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The only way Communism will work is if it is run by computers and they rule it with an iron fist, gonna get pretty brutal
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If only a different 1% could hold all of the political-offices-with-dictatorial-powersSpunky Psycho Ho posted:The only way Communism will work is if it is run by computers and they rule it with an iron fist, gonna get pretty brutal Unfortunately the left will never be able to welcome our Mind overlords because they are far too into their own... gravitas 
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Feb 16, 2017 22:05
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:The only way Communism will work is if it is run by computers and they rule it with an iron fist, gonna get pretty brutal I've been saying it for years, the true utopian government is benevolent AI dictatorship! unironically lol
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Feb 16, 2017 22:05
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show me the code for "human life has inherent value"
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Feb 16, 2017 22:06
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Moridin920 posted:I've been saying it for years, the true utopian government is benevolent AI dictatorship! "Benevolent" is not in a computer's nature. You either abide to the system or you get corrected. The system comes first
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Feb 16, 2017 22:07
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:"Benevolent" is not in a computer's nature. You either abide to the system or you get corrected. The system comes first Well it would have to be a very advanced AI. It would be something programmed by other AIs, not us. Really nothing in that sentence isn't applicable to humans though; we're just biological machines. If we can develop consciousness and think and act based on those thoughts then a synthetic machine can too given the premise that we can at some point in the future replicate the biological machine synthetically. Feel free to call me a wishful optimist of course, I won't dispute that.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:09
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Lowtax posted:I wasn't lolling, I was cringing and frightened for our country's future. I hear you, and I'm with you, however, this is the circular slapfight thread.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:12
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short odds that corporatism develops an AI dictatorship long before national sovereignty.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:12
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If I won a Presidential election I'd look up my margin on Wikipedia at the very least.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:29
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Feb 16, 2017 23:02
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i'm the guy on the left who's dying inside
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Feb 16, 2017 23:03
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yeah he brings his posse in to clap and laugh at his jokes because he craves constant attention and for people to like him. we know
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thathonkey posted:yeah he brings his posse in to clap and laugh at his jokes because he craves constant attention and for people to like him. we know They seem to be Loling, everyone is having a great time, America is laughing again
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Feb 16, 2017 23:06
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Moridin920 posted:i'm the guy on the left who's dying inside Internally, say something man, speak up, call trump out for being the bully he is, now's your chance, you gotta do something
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Feb 16, 2017 23:17
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Look, whenever I think about communism I think "Who's gonna get to live beach side, and who's gonna live under the power lines" u take turns idiot
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Feb 16, 2017 23:20
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so do y'all think this guy will end the republic?
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Feb 16, 2017 23:39
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Look, whenever I think about communism I think "Who's gonna get to live beach side, and who's gonna live under the power lines" Usually the sports stars get the best stuff and don't get put in the queue for their free cars.
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Feb 16, 2017 23:49
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Elevated power lines? lol what year is it
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Feb 16, 2017 23:53
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Every time some one calls CNN fake news and they have a meltdown is a victory for humanity in general. Also election fraud is physically impossible and never happens unless our side loses and we need a scape goat.
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Feb 16, 2017 23:58
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Why is SPH bitching about commies and hippies? Does he think Trump actually pulled out a time machine and he's fighting hippies? "RAAAAR COMMUNISM BAD REDISTRIBUTION BAD I FOUGHT FOR WHAT'S MINE gently caress YOU GOT MINE" seemingly without any prompting Also I know I'm adding a lot of hyperbole but he does that too so gently caress him.
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Feb 17, 2017 00:49
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Harrower posted:Every time some one calls CNN fake news and they have a meltdown is a victory for humanity in general. uh your side won and has still been squealing about it the whole time
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Feb 17, 2017 01:06
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Lumpy the Cook posted:1. Wrong. The unfettered global trade system which has sprung up between then and now has caused, and is causing, far more problems than it could ever hope to solve. You're a spoiled little bitch who is furious at the idea that your lack of employment is being used to end poverty in countries that have for decades under communist rule There are less conflicts, less poverty, less wars, and less repression than there was when the Cold War was winding down. Climate change is something we can deal with. We live longer and don't die from easily preventable diseases. There is no dospite that the world is better.
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Feb 17, 2017 01:11
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Climate change is gonna be hella rad we gonna get hosed up
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Donald Trump is the president and a lot of people think that it's normal somehow lol
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