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AlphaDog posted:Does anyone know what happened to the original PDF version of Sixth World, the PbtA Shadowrun game? https://swse.neocities.org/ has the html version
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We might need to revive this thread to discuss the stupid, terrible, asinine moves White Wolf is currently pulling.
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Feb 17, 2017 20:44
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Gro- wait no- WhiteWolf.txt
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Feb 17, 2017 20:48
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I want to get off Groins-Blood Voivoide's Wild Ride.
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Feb 17, 2017 20:53
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Tell me more.
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Feb 17, 2017 21:11
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Let's use the effortpost I made up in the WW thread:quote:Subject: White Wolf's Questionable Decisions Lead To Loss of Writer/Designer Note that there've been further developments I haven't added yet, like White Wolf announcing that none of Zak's harassment campaigns ever happened.
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Feb 17, 2017 21:30
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Let's use the effortpost I made up in the WW thread: Zak is a piece of poo poo for sure, but Neo-Nazi is a new one for me. Personally I'd keep it to things I know he's definitely done - the harassment and sockpuppeting - to increase the difficulty of them dismissing it out of hand, but certainly this is a good compilation of sources that show paradox has hosed up here. Oh also FYI I checked Amazon today and Ed Kramer's name isn't on the dark destiny cover anymore. Funnily enough Tobias Ericsson decided to place his name where Kramer's was: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dark-Destiny-Karim-Muammar-ebook/dp/B01G7GP96U Has anyone checked to see if the book still contains Kramer's stuff? e: Just checked myself, the foreword is still written by him ~_~ Flavivirus fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Feb 17, 2017 21:49
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Yeah, drop the neo-Nazi thing. Nobody has given any serious reason to think he leans that way.
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LatwPIAT posted:Yeah, drop the neo-Nazi thing. Nobody has given any serious reason to think he leans that way. I concur.
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Oh gently caress, here's said foreword written by a child molester: Far too much focus on ~childhood innocence~ to be anything but stomach-churning 
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Feb 17, 2017 21:55
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The racism thing also seems off. Like, we know he has transmisogynistic tendencies because he claims transwomen he doesn't like aren't real LGBT people and two of his more outspoken or well-known victims are transwomen, but it's not like there's been a string of testimonials that he goes after black people or uses anti-Semitic slurs or anything.
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Feb 17, 2017 21:59
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LatwPIAT posted:The racism thing also seems off. Like, we know he has transmisogynistic tendencies because he claims transwomen he doesn't like aren't real LGBT people and two of his more outspoken or well-known victims are transwomen, but it's not like there's been a string of testimonials that he goes after black people or uses anti-Semitic slurs or anything.
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Feb 17, 2017 22:40
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Naturally, though innacurately is a good way to put it imo.
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Feb 17, 2017 23:07
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JackMann posted:G&G actually started up a new location at the Tucson Mall, speaking of expansion. We'll see how that goes. It's a nice space, and there's nothing super close there, but... Again, how many game stores can Tucson support, even with the university and the base? It used to be three. One in the mall, one right by the university that also did comics, and one way East on Speedway that did enough historical wargaming that I could just drop by and get into random pickup games. I wish to hell San Francisco had a store where I could just wander in and get handed a Zulu Impi or a WW2 recon company and go to town.
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Feb 17, 2017 23:09
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Is Rich Knowles still running a store in Tucson?
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Bongo Bill posted:Tell me more. When it broke on reddit that Zak S was involved in this project, he took to reddit to defend his good name. Only, it wasn't exactly him. As it turns out, he's had this "SAppelcline" account on reddit for about a year now, and he's been using it to make people think he's actually Shannon Appelcline, RPG historian. Prior to this White Wolf thing, he's been using it to promote his book, and maybe drop some side-eyeing opinions like "[Vincent] Baker being nominated 3-4 times before Greg Stafford getting nominated once tells you a thing or two about /rpg" or "it's very hard to be scared of death in Dungeon World, try the OSR instead" Of course, when this SAppelcline account says "Maze of the Blue Medusa is going to be good", it's actually Zak S doing this under false pretenses, so what the gently caress, right? Anyway, when this White Wolf thing blows up, and Zak starts using this account to again defend his good name through the guise of a third-person with a much better reputation in the industry. He went on as far to say that it's actually the Something Awful community that's been harassing him, because SA likes 4th Edition D&D, and Zak S is a pioneer of the OSR, and therefore that makes him a target for SA's ire. Or something. Appelcline himself has since confirmed that the account isn't actually his: https://twitter.com/Appelcline/status/832345425336164352 Zak's mistake was that at one point, when responding to another post asking about Zak S, he responded to defend himself while still using the SAppelcline account: https://twitter.com/machineiv/status/832477423899783168 Later, he then posted the exact same thing, except now using the "correct" ZakSabbath account. And now it looks like that David Hill person (AFAIK a former writer for White Wolf who was already being previously harassed by Zak's followers) is getting harassed again, within the past hour. https://twitter.com/machineiv/status/832775997682438144 gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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Feb 18, 2017 04:36
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David Hill has been instrumental in a lot of Chronicles of Darkness/nWoD2, and had been writing and developing for Onyx Path and I think back to original White Wolf for literally years. His wife, Filamena Young, too.
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Feb 18, 2017 05:04
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This industry is loving magical.
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Feb 18, 2017 05:06
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gradenko_2000 posted:Zak's mistake was that at one point, when responding to another post asking about Zak S, he responded to defend himself while still using the SAppelcline account: Oh, it's far better than that. When someone accused Zak Smith of siccing his Google+ followrs on people Zak Smith didn't like, the SAppelcline responded with "I didn't 'sic' anyone on anything." Then that SApplecline comment was deleted, and the account ZakSabbath made a comment in the exact same place, repeating almost verbatim what SAppelcline had written. Which makes it very obvious that the SAppelcline account was run by Zak Smith. Zak, of course, has claimed that it's not his account: it's an account owned by a friend of his who picked that name as a joke, which is a defence so weak that I'm almost inclined to believe it! Except, you know, not only did "SAppelcline" claim to be Zak, but "ZakSabbath" is very obviously the same person as SAppelcline.
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Feb 18, 2017 05:23
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Well that just makes me more furious.
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LatwPIAT posted:Zak, of course, has claimed that it's not his account: it's an account owned by a friend of his who picked that name as a joke, which is a defence so weak that I'm almost inclined to believe it! Except, you know, not only did "SAppelcline" claim to be Zak, but "ZakSabbath" is very obviously the same person as SAppelcline. I thought the story was, on top of his "friend" picking the name "as a joke", they were also using the same computer. So he's copping to making that particular post, but it's just a wacky roommate mix-up because he couldn't come up with something better than a teenager on JustRage.
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Feb 18, 2017 05:36
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This is the exact same stunt he's been pulling since the Dongion at the very least.
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That Old Tree posted:I thought the story was, on top of his "friend" picking the name "as a joke", they were also using the same computer. So he's copping to making that particular post, but it's just a wacky roommate mix-up because he couldn't come up with something better than a teenager on JustRage. The fun part is he's been using the sappelcline account to talk up his own products for about a year - the zaksabbath account is much younger. Comparing them makes it completely obvious that they're the same person writing - the punctuation style and everything is identical.
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JohnnyCanuck posted:White Wolf hires racist/misogynist/transmisogynist/neo-nazi writer Zak S. to write a text adventure game for them. So none of the links provided actually seem to back any of that up. From what I can tell from reading them he just looks like some shitposter who got in a bunch of flame wars with other idiots and is up his own rear end despite not contributing anything of value ever. Which is fine, if a writer's a butt that's ample reason to not buy a product they're attached to, but it'd be great if those labels were being reserved for people who actually fit them instead of being applied as a catch-all for 'someone who is a butt'. "White Wolf hires useless douchebag writer Zak S." is sufficient on its own without randomly hurling -ist labels out of a grab bag.
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Zak S has literally encouraged/run harassment campaigns that have driven trans people in the industry off the internet entirely, including at least one in this very subforum. That's a step beyond "generic rear end in a top hat nerd".
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His vampire short story also includes a Transwoman vampire who propositions cab drivers, asks them if they would like a hand job in the bathroom, tells them she still has a penis, and then asks them if they like trump. If they like trump she kills them, if they balk at her penis she uses dominate to force them to like it, and then she gives them a handjob anyway. For some strange reason this vampire shares a first name with the monster hearts developer.
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Maybe we should ask Mikan whether or not Zak S' harassment campaigns are real. Wait, you can't because Zak S drove Mikan into hiding. You can lead a person to facts, but you can't make them think.
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Serf posted:Maybe we should ask Mikan whether or not Zak S' harassment campaigns are real. Wait, you can't because Zak S drove Mikan into hiding. Man I miss Mikan. Thankfully we can also ask his targets - Anna Krieder, for example, or Tracey Hurley, or Filamena Young - if the harassment campaigns they experienced were real. And wouldn't you know, they've blogged extensively about them. But actually talking to them was far too much effort for nuWW apparently.
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Flavivirus posted:Man I miss Mikan. Thankfully we can also ask his targets - Anna Krieder, for example, or Tracey Hurley, or Filamena Young - if the harassment campaigns they experienced were real. And wouldn't you know, they've blogged extensively about them. But actually talking to them was far too much effort for nuWW apparently. He has literally harassed their direct staff. They know who he is, they're actively defending him.
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Feb 18, 2017 15:31
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If you notice, David Hill is tweeting from Japan. Because he moved there to get away from harassment organized by Zak S.
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Feb 18, 2017 16:14
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Is there a full list of known harassment campaigns by Zak Smith?
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Feb 18, 2017 16:24
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Imagine being a person so loving lame that you send death threats to protect the honor of a 40 year old who has a side cut and makes terrible art
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I think it is potentially a problem that people learn of his many crimes by hearsay, through forum posts one at a time.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Is there a full list of known harassment campaigns by Zak Smith? I'm not trying to sound snarky, but if there was incontrovertible evidence of Zak's horseshit we wouldn't be in this situation where people keep giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm not trying to sound snarky, but if there was incontrovertible evidence of Zak's horseshit we wouldn't be in this situation where people keep giving him the benefit of the doubt. Counterpoints: climate change, the results of the recent US election, the Holocaust.
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Feb 18, 2017 18:25
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I'm not looking for incontrovertible evidence.
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Feb 18, 2017 18:43
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That Old Tree posted:I thought the story was, on top of his "friend" picking the name "as a joke", they were also using the same computer. So he's copping to making that particular post, but it's just a wacky roommate mix-up because he couldn't come up with something better than a teenager on JustRage. Yes. One of the people he sent to RPGnet to defend him went and asked him to explain the screenshot, and Zak told him that it was because SAppelcine was a friend of his and they use the same laptop and he forgot to logout. The guy in question believes it 100% because "why would Zak lie about that?" 
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gradenko_2000 posted:If you notice, David Hill is tweeting from Japan. That's... Impressive. What actually happened? And is it documented anywhere that we can show people?
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I know one of the Mind's Eye Theater guys, and my rear end in a top hat clenched when we told me how happy he was to work with Zak S. 
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I just picked up Maze of the Blue Medusa because I love Patrick Stuart, and totally forgot that Zak S did all the art. Feel reeeeeal lovely that I ended up giving money to that rear end in a top hat.
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