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A-10, the Bard of CAS edit: I'll show myself out That Works fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Feb 17, 2017 22:42
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mlmp08 posted:
Aren't some airframes better suited to some types of missions though? I feel like throwing the long loiter time, large payload, slow mover out just because we don't need it right this moment is short-sighted. Particularly if it's a capability that is inexpensive to maintain and operate. Mortabis posted:Doesn't each BCT have a battery of guns for each maneuver battalion? Or is that, uh, wishful thinking and only true on paper? Marine Corps Expeditionary Units do.
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Feb 17, 2017 23:07
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mlmp08 posted:Have a bomb It looks almost like submunitions from that SDB I like that weapon.
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Feb 17, 2017 23:21
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What about using something like this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_recoilless_rifle with some sort of guided round to let it be effective out past a couple hundred yards? Give them to a couple guys in each platoon and let them blap Taliban from a distance with spending $20,000 an hour.
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Feb 17, 2017 23:32
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Mortabis posted:Doesn't each BCT have a battery of guns for each maneuver battalion? Or is that, uh, wishful thinking and only true on paper? Each BCT has a battalions worth of howitzers , so basically yes. that said, it was pretty routine to deploy either without them entirely or use your gunners as door kickers throughout G-WOT, because we got horribly lazy with regard to fire support. there really wasn't any technical reason we couldn't have used howitzers as the primary fire support pretty much anywhere in Iraq or Afghanistan with the exception of maybe some of the most remote mountain areas, it was just way easier at first to ask an airplane to do it and by the time the demand got high enough we realized our mistake pretty much everybody had forgotten how to do actual big boy fire support
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Feb 17, 2017 23:46
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mlmp08 posted:Have a bomb What bomb is this? LostCosmonaut posted:What about using something like this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_recoilless_rifle with some sort of guided round to let it be effective out past a couple hundred yards? Give them to a couple guys in each platoon and let them blap Taliban from a distance with spending $20,000 an hour. The ARL and ONR have been trying at precision guided munitions sub 80mm for at least a decade now and nothin' deployed yet. These exist in 120+mm though. Lots of issues with this including: -Electronics, fuses, etc. that are cost reasonable surviving 10000+G shock -Time to boot up, input target location (if needed), acquire lock on whatever the mechanism of getting there is (GPS? Visual only? Laser designator....how do I find a laser designator on the way up when the first problem prevents a gimble?) -A bunch of others Read about the ONR's ACERM or the ARL's PGMM and they'll tell you what they did sorta kinda do (but not really because it isnt fielded) CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Feb 17, 2017 23:54
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hobbesmaster posted:Why can't an F-15E do that? They can, but they're frankly not as good as it. And it costs a lot more for an F-15E to do it than it does for an A-10. Cyrano4747 posted:So why not use helicopters? I know they don't have the time on target that a jet has, but that is also going to be counter-balanced by having more of the things and being able to stage them closer to wherever you're having the fight. If anything all this sounds like an argument for having more integrated rotor-driven CAS in the Army. Because in a contested environment, or any environment where there's a surface-to-air threat beyond AK-47s and Stingers dug out of the soil after 20 years, they will not survive. Mortabis posted:Maybe this is insensitive but I'm curious why mortars and grenade launchers are insufficient when the enemy is close enough to punt a football at them. I guess if you're outnumbered. Organic fires are almost always option #1. When that's unavailable, or insufficient, that's when they start requesting XCAS support. Godholio fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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Feb 18, 2017 00:27
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The finest bomb. Small in diameter, big in heart. Is there a Maverick replacement in the pipeline, or are the newer SDB variants with different tracking capable of that when dropped from appropriate conditions?
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Feb 18, 2017 00:29
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APKWS/DAGR loving sucks. I wish I could show you the videos of those things failing to even incapacitate dudes in the open. 2.75in rockets were designed to be fired in volleys at their targets, single shots have woefully little killing power. In the same period of time I have seen GAU-8 HE absolutely MULCH the enemy with excellent precision and effectiveness. The A-10 rules and any replacement needs a decent gun. APKWS sucks
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Feb 18, 2017 00:31
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What about against light armor? BMP etc?
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Feb 18, 2017 00:34
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Any place we're facing BMPs there's a good chance the A-10 is mincemeat anyway.
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Feb 18, 2017 00:40
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Godholio posted:
Yes, but we're talking about A-10 replacements. In any of those environments an A-10 is pretty much hosed as well.
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Feb 18, 2017 00:41
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LostCosmonaut posted:What about using something like this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_recoilless_rifle with some sort of guided round to let it be effective out past a couple hundred yards? Give them to a couple guys in each platoon and let them blap Taliban from a distance with spending $20,000 an hour. I wouldn't want to carry that. Or the ammo for that.
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Feb 18, 2017 00:51
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Yeah that thing weighs fifty pounds. The SMAW (basically a modern bazooka) is around 20 I think, but it's no substitute for a 500lb bomb
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Feb 18, 2017 00:56
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Knee mortars for everyone.
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Feb 18, 2017 01:00
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Boston Dynamics needs to cut the poo poo and get around to mounting a gun of some sort on their scary robot animals.
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Feb 18, 2017 01:04
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Boston Dynamics needs to cut the poo poo and get around to mounting a gun of some sort on their scary robot animals. Did you see their scary robot rollerskater?
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Feb 18, 2017 01:10
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Boston Dynamics needs to cut the poo poo and get around to mounting a gun of some sort on their scary robot animals. An ATGM would turn one of those into iron filings gently wafting in the breeze. Small missiles really put a damper on the whole "fight wars with big expensive machines" game.
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Feb 18, 2017 01:12
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I'd find those things a lot more interesting if it weren't for the fact that, judging by the videos, you can hear them in the next county over.
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Feb 18, 2017 01:14
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Captain von Trapp posted:An ATGM would turn one of those into iron filings gently wafting in the breeze. Small missiles really put a damper on the whole "fight wars with big expensive machines" game. When your robot animal can carry an antimissile/antimortar laser is when those become interesting, I think. Protect itself and its squad at the same time.
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Feb 18, 2017 01:18
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Captain von Trapp posted:An ATGM would turn one of those into iron filings gently wafting in the breeze. Small missiles really put a damper on the whole "fight wars with big expensive machines" game. But they aren't particularly big. They're man-sized, roughly. some are even smaller. Mortabis posted:I'd find those things a lot more interesting if it weren't for the fact that, judging by the videos, you can hear them in the next county over. This, however, is a real big limitation, along with range and duration. If they somehow figure this out while keeping the size relatively small, we might actually have something.
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Feb 18, 2017 01:20
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 "The first prototype and first Concorde to fly, caught the exact moment it clips past the corona of an annular eclipse of the sun."
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Feb 18, 2017 01:36
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That looks like a 70s scifi book cover. What an amazing photo
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Feb 18, 2017 01:38
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:APKWS/DAGR loving sucks. I wish I could show you the videos of those things failing to even incapacitate dudes in the open.
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Feb 18, 2017 01:53
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LostCosmonaut posted:What about using something like this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_recoilless_rifle with some sort of guided round to let it be effective out past a couple hundred yards? Give them to a couple guys in each platoon and let them blap Taliban from a distance with spending $20,000 an hour. $20,000/hour is probably around the lower limit for a PGM anyway, so if that's your metric I guess don't need to fire more than one per hour.
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Feb 18, 2017 01:59
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:APKWS/DAGR loving sucks. I wish I could show you the videos of those things failing to even incapacitate dudes in the open. This sounds like an easier problem to solve than figuring out how an A-10 survives modern SAMs while flying close enough to the ground for a gun run.
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Feb 18, 2017 02:00
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SO what's the state of the art on infantry mortars nowadays anyway? Someone mentioned adding guidance to the rounds might be difficult due to the high tube pressures, what about adding rockets? Has someone made a cross between a mortar and a Javelin yet
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Feb 18, 2017 02:32
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Throatwarbler posted:SO what's the state of the art on infantry mortars nowadays anyway? Someone mentioned adding guidance to the rounds might be difficult due to the high tube pressures, what about adding rockets? Has someone made a cross between a mortar and a Javelin yet At least for the US, they just fielded new 81mm systems that are basically the same as the old 252 but lighter. The marines have funded a guided 120mm round that is supposed to be quite something; there's a good chance the army will buy it if it fields well. Other than that largely unchanged from the 1980s or so.
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Feb 18, 2017 03:06
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DrAlexanderTobacco posted:
Yeah, they tore out the roof and installed a bunch of instruments so astronomers could literally chase the eclipse across the sky and gather data from it.
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Feb 18, 2017 03:06
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Throatwarbler posted:SO what's the state of the art on infantry mortars nowadays anyway? Someone mentioned adding guidance to the rounds might be difficult due to the high tube pressures, what about adding rockets? Has someone made a cross between a mortar and a Javelin yet it's commercial drone delivered surplus grenades with 3d printed fins making them accurate enough to drop into open tank hatches
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Feb 18, 2017 03:10
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CarForumPoster posted:What bomb is this? It was kind of alluded to in other posts, but that's a Small Diameter Bomb. They're pretty neat.
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Feb 18, 2017 03:17
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Is 5-6km about the maximum range of a motar that can still remain kind of man portable?
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Feb 18, 2017 03:19
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Throatwarbler posted:Is 5-6km about the maximum range of a motar that can still remain kind of man portable? 60mm is about 4km, 80mm about 5-6km. The man-portable limitation is usually the ammunition, IIRC. You have to break the rounds down and split them among individual members and then collect them all when you set up. A 60mm round is about 2lbs, that adds up fast when you're marching.
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Feb 18, 2017 03:33
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Throatwarbler posted:SO what's the state of the art on infantry mortars nowadays anyway? Someone mentioned adding guidance to the rounds might be difficult due to the high tube pressures, what about adding rockets? Has someone made a cross between a mortar and a Javelin yet That was me but its not high tube pressures its high (nominally 250x higher than a Navy airplane) induced transient loads. Again the ACERM from the ONR and the 81mm and 60mm PGMM from the ARL are the state of the art as far as infantry mortars. As far as actual real life capabilities currently fielded its the XM395 PGMM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM395_Precision_Guided_Mortar_Munition Smiling Jack posted:60mm is about 4km, 80mm about 5-6km. Per FM 23-90: (These are 60mm) 
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Feb 18, 2017 03:42
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Boston Dynamics needs to cut the poo poo and get around to mounting a gun of some sort on their scary robot animals. This is happening, but on more "traditional" wheel/tracked robots.
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Feb 18, 2017 03:44
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Frinkahedron posted:This is happening, but on more "traditional" wheel/tracked robots. Boring. May as well scrap the whole idea.
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Feb 18, 2017 03:45
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Smiling Jack posted:60mm is about 4km, 80mm about 5-6km. My idea of man-portable is that you can load up a couple of tubes and some cases of ammo in a truck, drive the truck to the foot of a hill and then lug everything up the hill on foot, set up an firing post, be resupplied via truck, i.e. not completely roadbound like a field gun would be.
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Feb 18, 2017 03:46
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Yeah, they tore out the roof and installed a bunch of instruments so astronomers could literally chase the eclipse across the sky and gather data from it. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/the-concorde-and-the-longest-solar-eclipse
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Feb 18, 2017 03:57
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DonkeyHotay posted:it's commercial drone delivered surplus grenades with 3d printed fins making them accurate enough to drop into open tank hatches Do you work for ISIS?
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Feb 18, 2017 04:04
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Problem: Pesky plastic bags and other garbage gets caught on high voltage lines. Obvious Solution:  
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Feb 18, 2017 06:16
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