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Pissflaps posted:I don't think Blair should return as Labour Party leader, nor do I think he will. you could say things could only get better like the song
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hand-fed baby bird posted:you could say things could only get better like the song The song was right.
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Feb 18, 2017 18:31
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maybe the problem is that all good politicians are sociopaths
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Feb 18, 2017 19:02
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Corbyn has mumbled something about Blair's intervention being unhelpful while everyone is trying their best to Brexit or something. You can guess the sort of poo poo he's saying so no point linking to it. Already seen people blaming Labour losing next week's by-elections on it which is hilarious and also very, very sad.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:06
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In 5 years each and every single politician in the UK will be running on a "rejoin the EU" platform anyway, just wait and see.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:28
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Pochoclo posted:In 5 years each and every single politician in the UK will be running on a "rejoin the EU" platform anyway, just wait and see. Assuming we're not in a ENGLAND PREVAILS type situation.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:29
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Pissflaps posted:Corbyn has mumbled something about Blair's intervention being unhelpful while everyone is trying their best to Brexit or something. You can guess the sort of poo poo he's saying so no point linking to it. Byelections don't matter anyway so its no problem if labour lose both seats really.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:32
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namesake posted:Assuming we're not in a ENGLAND PREVAILS type situation. Considering that you'd need a good decade of lead time to make Brexit reasonably painless, even if it was being led by a competent and level headed government in the best socio-economic conditions possible, and we're getting less than three years total before we're out, I am wholly confident that the Brexit we're getting will be an utter crashing failure in a very visual way. Not even the most ardent Brexiter will be able to hand wave away the total gridlock both literal and metaphorical leading to every port.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:35
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Pochoclo posted:In 5 years each and every single politician in the UK will be running on a "rejoin the EU" platform anyway, just wait and see. In a breach of the usual sobriety in international political discourse, all of Brussels erupts in rancorous laughter. But for reals what kind of EU deal will that get the UK? Because it would be nowhere near as compromising as the first one.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:50
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Rigged Death Trap posted:But for reals what kind of EU deal will that get the UK? A more expensive one, basically.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:58
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kingturnip posted:BBC News is stuffed with Blairites, almost more than the PLP. Not sure who's wrong, but by some coincidence I read this saying Blair wasn't getting as prominent coverage from The BBC or anyone else really anymore. http://www.politico.eu/article/tony-blair-yesterdays-man/
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Feb 18, 2017 20:20
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Rigged Death Trap posted:In a breach of the usual sobriety in international political discourse, all of Brussels erupts in rancorous laughter. You'll be glad to say goodbye to the pound after it gets devalued all the way down to peso levels, trust me. I for one will convert all my saved up pounds to dollars/euros before I go work in Amsterdam/Berlin, around two years from now, when the poo poo hits the fan. I'll be happy to see the euro strengthen after the UK's devastated yet recovering economy joins it.
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Feb 18, 2017 20:23
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Pochoclo posted:In 5 years each and every single politician in the UK will be running on a "rejoin the EU" platform anyway, just wait and see. Northern Ireland will be the first part to join back. Once a border is put up to the south, you can gently caress off UK
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Feb 18, 2017 20:33
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happyhippy posted:Northern Ireland will be the first part to join back.
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Feb 18, 2017 21:06
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Just reunite Ireland, give Gibraltar to Spain, the Channel Islands to France and make Scotland independent so they can all still be on the EU. Simple!
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Feb 18, 2017 21:40
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https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/833052888851156993 Ugh...I can't.
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Feb 18, 2017 21:44
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The Guardian posted:Another Labour MP who has just returned from Copeland said: “If we win, we will have ground out a victory in those two seats because of the hard work of activists on the ground despite the leadership. I hope Jeremy and his supporters will be gracious enough to recognise that. What we have is a ground game. And so it begins. Victory is despite the leadership, defeat will be because of, we have an excellent ground game which has absolutely nothing to do with the recent increase in membership.
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Feb 18, 2017 22:01
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jabby posted:Victory is despite the leadership, defeat will be because of These two statements are not contradictory and, based on the lack of popularity of the labour leadership, entirely reasonable.
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Feb 18, 2017 22:12
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Pissflaps posted:Ugh...I can't. Then don't.
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Feb 18, 2017 22:29
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Have you thought about posting graphs of poll results over time? That'd be much more interesting than what you do now.
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Feb 18, 2017 22:34
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like this? look at those libdems surge
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Feb 18, 2017 22:42
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Cerv posted:look at those libdems surge Not to mention UKIP rising up to replace Labour as the official opposition.
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Feb 18, 2017 22:53
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Yeah that's definitely the big story from that graph.
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Feb 18, 2017 23:01
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I had a thought that cheered me up about the state of UK politics. If we are going to be the Italy to Trumps Nazi Germany, at least that means we will get to change sides halfway through the war.
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Feb 18, 2017 23:08
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Any word on how it'll affect the punctuality of our railway systems?
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Feb 18, 2017 23:23
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Will Coventry be levelled by Freedom rockets again?
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Feb 18, 2017 23:26
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On the one hand, global misery and suffering after a devastating WW3 that will plunge human civilization back to the dark ages and leave it unprepared to deal with unstoppable climate change. On the other hand, finally immigration will cease to be a problem, good job. Real estate prices will not go down though.
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Feb 18, 2017 23:36
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Presumably the near total destruction of global industry and most life would quickly net out to be an overall positive in stopping greenhouse gas emissions? I mean all the ecosystems would be destroyed anyway but...
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Feb 18, 2017 23:48
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namesake posted:Presumably the near total destruction of global industry and most life would quickly net out to be an overall positive in stopping greenhouse gas emissions? Well, the Earth biosphere will recover of course, but it will be pretty bad for primitive agrarian mankind, that's for sure. Hopefully Coleoptera Sapiens or whatever succeeds us will not have right-wing government.
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Feb 18, 2017 23:50
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Cerv posted:like this? It's unbelievable how badly Labour mismanaged the referendum and it's fallout. They were given about the biggest open goal in political history and instead spent three months in a protracted attempt to replace Corbyn with the world's most forgettable man. I don't think Corbyn was at all blameless on this - had he been better organised and much, much, much better at handling the press the PLP would never have had the balls to try it and maybe, just maybe, we might not even have ended up with the Leave vote. After all the constituencies that went hardest for Leave (compared to projections) were Labour strongholds and really could have done with a properly-run Leave campaign from them.
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Feb 19, 2017 00:11
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yeah the fact that they decided to have a leadership contest right after the referendum was really loving stupid. the fact that theirs was going on for months after the tories got their poo poo together leader wise was the icing on the cake.
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Feb 19, 2017 00:14
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Pochoclo posted:On the one hand, global misery and suffering after a devastating WW3 that will plunge human civilization back to the dark ages and leave it unprepared to deal with unstoppable climate change.
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Feb 19, 2017 00:24
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quote:But the people voted without knowledge of the terms of Brexit. As these terms become clear, it is their right to change their mind. Our mission is to persuade them to do so. Wow it is weird to see strong clear leadership like that coming from the Labour party.
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Feb 19, 2017 00:31
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Cerv posted:look at those libdems surge
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Feb 19, 2017 00:41
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hakimashou posted:Wow it is weird to see strong clear leadership like that coming from the Labour party. I enjoy that he admits he has no loving idea how to achieve his goal only that he really would like people to figure it out. One of the fun things about our electoral system is you don't get to change your mind half way through.
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Feb 19, 2017 01:03
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jabby posted:And so it begins. Victory is despite the leadership, defeat will be because of, we have an excellent ground game which has absolutely nothing to do with the recent increase in membership. Whereas you feel the other way round, I guess/
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Feb 19, 2017 01:49
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I think he's just stating the fact that this has been the disingenuous discourse for over a year now and people are still not acknowledging it's a thing. In the last set of by-elections, when it was heavily polled that Labour were going to lose, there was nothing but talk about how this was an indicator of Corbyn's failing leadership and would be his death-knell. When they infact won quite handily, it became about how ground game was good and the win was despite leadership. No reference that the leadership brought in alot of members that were energized into performing said ground game.
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Feb 19, 2017 01:54
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Do you have any evidence that 'new labour members energised the ground game' or are you just assuming that this is a thing that happened?goddamnedtwisto posted:It's unbelievable how badly Labour mismanaged the referendum and it's fallout. They were given about the biggest open goal in political history and instead spent three months in a protracted attempt to replace Corbyn with the world's most forgettable man. Given labour's utter capitulation in the face of the article 50 vote I really don't know what you were expecting labour to do in front of this open goal. Spend even more time agreeing with the Tories? Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Feb 19, 2017 |
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Feb 19, 2017 01:59
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I think the evidence as it stands is that new members are happy to pay up and some will got o meetings, but generally are less likely to put plimsolls to pavement. Helps when you have a coherent message to spread I guess. Right now all I really see from Labour is "NHS is good Tories will kill". They don't seem to get that the NHS represents the great successes of the state, and that it's an example of this not a single sacred cow. It's the talking point to discuss socialist ideals and how they can be applied to other sectors (+/- how privitsation has made things worse).
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It's weird how, after 18 months of the exact same loving thing in the press, people still can't work out that 9 times out of 10, the 'Labour insider' being quoted in the Scrawniad is Chuka Umunna (or one of his friends) talking in a high-pitched voice while wearing a fake moustache. 'Labour insider's are like 'compassionate Tories' - inventions of the press.
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