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Otakufag posted:I have a friend who wants his 2500k to finally die so he can purchase a new Kaby or Ryzen, what can he do? http://i.imgur.com/bHlU0ML.mp4
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Delid it  ^^ Cheating bastard GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Feb 16, 2017 03:56
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If I wait for CPUs to die before buying a new one, I’d still be using a 6502.
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Feb 16, 2017 03:59
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The IRS's allowable depreciation period for computer systems is 5 years. Toss that burden!
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Feb 16, 2017 04:20
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I'll take that pesky old 2500k system off his hands for free.
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Feb 16, 2017 04:29
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Unhappy Meal posted:The IRS's allowable depreciation period for computer systems is 5 years. Toss that burden! You're not wrong, but if I can bring this bad boy back for $20 of caps and some work, that'd be really cool. Hopefully it's just the 5 in that row closest to the socket, and I have 45 extras
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Feb 16, 2017 04:36
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Otakufag posted:I have a friend who wants his 2500k to finally die so he can purchase a new Kaby or Ryzen, what can he do? Try spilling beer into it, I hear that works.
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Feb 16, 2017 05:13
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If anyone is interested. The friend with the ASUS P67 Sabertooth still has it and should be in really good shape still. If you need one for your Sandy Bridge chip let me know and I will get you two in contact. The one disadvantage is the price they seem to be going for on eBay, ($150-300??!!!) But he is reasonable and it currently sits unused as a spare currently so there is that. (And he really wants a 1080TI to replace his SLI 780's so he might make a deal on those as well. lol I have been the PC Parts Dealer for the V VR app team too lately so might as well branch it out. (Also have 2 open slots for Newegg Premiere if anyone is interested in that too)
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Feb 16, 2017 06:44
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:I'm just hoping my friends EVGA 1080 doesn't get hit by a problem, mostly as I recommended it to him. He can type his card's serial number into the EVGA Thermal Mod page http://www.evga.com/thermalmod/ It will tell him if his card has the new vbios and thermal pad fix applied.
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Feb 16, 2017 06:50
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Otakufag posted:I have a friend who wants his 2500k to finally die so he can purchase a new Kaby or Ryzen, what can he do? Realise that you don't have to break your poo poo before buying new stuff. He can still sell the 2500K and board for a non-trivial sum, since they're still relevant.
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Feb 16, 2017 11:36
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enigmatikone posted:He can type his card's serial number into the EVGA Thermal Mod page http://www.evga.com/thermalmod/ Thanks, it's running the latest BIOS (flashed) and the pads were ordered, but never arrived. He's too lazy to chase that up... so
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Feb 16, 2017 13:54
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I have a feeling that the used board market is really going to heat up if tepid CPU improvements are going to keep being a thing. I wonder if manufacturers will figure its worth their while to start making cheaper, older boards.
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Feb 16, 2017 16:34
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It's a good point, but are there still chipsets available?
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Feb 16, 2017 16:49
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You can see some old boards come out as new I am guessing from New old Stock, but man is it hard sometime to get anything that isn't total crap, or just a random refurb/used board marked up to all hell. Take a look at what that P67 Sabertooth is going for on Amazon. 
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Feb 16, 2017 18:11
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^Ignore amazon, check AliExpress, 1000% more reasonable and with better warranties Gyrotica posted:I have a feeling that the used board market is really going to heat up if tepid CPU improvements are going to keep being a thing. Based on AliExpress, it seems like they are _very_ ready for this to happen. They had a ton of "like new" refurbished for almost any Z68/Z77 board I searched for The problem is that it takes 2-4+ weeks to arrive sometimes, and tax or w/e. Shipping update: My caps should arrive Saturday, the DeoxyIT should be here tomorrow. Took everything completely apart and wiped/blew out a ton of dust. None of the other caps seem to have any bulges or leaks, which is reassuring. Random question: Are those new maglev bearing-less fans compatible with push/pull radiator setups? That would make this water-cooling setup much, much quieter. New Zealand can eat me fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Feb 16, 2017 21:42
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Yea I just mentioned Amazon as a WTF!? price check lol. Definitly get it anywhere else but there.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:45
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Don't buy anything name brand from aliexpress. They're great if you want something fake and cheap, but you're just as likely to get a board with replaced caps from a no name brand if you're buying a "new" one from aliexpress. Replaced sockets are also a pretty common thing to do, people break the pins in them and if you have a reflow machine you could revive a board for a few dollars, but same deal that you're probably getting something not actually new with unknown history.
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Feb 16, 2017 23:48
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So, with all the excitement being in the AMD thread at the moment, I thought I'd ask about some crystal ball gazing here. What's coming that we know of in the next few years, in terms of non-CPU non-GPU stuff? (Because we pay enough attention to vega, ryzen, cannon/coffee lake, volta, etc) I can think of:
And, I suppose as a process thing, 3d nand is getting re-tooled so we should see more big SSDs for cheaper in a yearish, supposedly. Anything else interesting that we know is in the works?
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Feb 18, 2017 17:00
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Why this intermediate step of 2.5Gbps and 5Gbps?
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Feb 18, 2017 18:11
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It's supposed to be to allow people to use older wiring that isn't up to 10g specs. I don't think there has been enough real world use yet to see how effective that proves to be or if everyone needs to upgrade their old cat 5 anyways if they have runs longer than like 10 feet or something.
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Feb 18, 2017 18:15
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crazypenguin posted:So, with all the excitement being in the AMD thread at the moment, I thought I'd ask about some crystal ball gazing here. Optane but it will probably be a few years before the cost comes down enough for PC users to be interested.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:34
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Combat Pretzel posted:Why this intermediate step of 2.5Gbps and 5Gbps? If it works on existing Cat5e and the NICs/switches are considerably cheaper than 10Gbit ones, I can see uses for it, for sure.
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Feb 18, 2017 20:50
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PCIe gen4 will start showing up more in 2018, when Ice Lake CPUs are supposed to arrive in the 2nd half of the year as part of the Tinsley platform. I think we'll see video cards from AMD/nVidia supporting it fairly quickly, but for the first while only the super badass ($$$$) enterprise drives will have support in the NVMe space I bet. Probably not until 2019 for consumer stuff, but then there will be a big avalanche of products.
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Feb 18, 2017 21:47
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HalloKitty posted:If it works on existing Cat5e and the NICs/switches are considerably cheaper than 10Gbit ones, I can see uses for it, for sure. Pretty much this. 2-5x as fast with no infrastructure changes, the speed is now able to single link source the newer MIMO ac and ax access points, and the link speed increase for things like workstations that have multi-GB files stored on a NAS or SAN are able to work much closer to the DAS performance they previously saw, again without having to tear the walls out and redo every single drop.
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Feb 18, 2017 21:52
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When are native 2.5/5/10 gigabit ports going to start showing up in mid-range laptops and affordable routers though?
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Feb 18, 2017 21:54
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I doubt you'll going to see 10GBase-T in a laptop anytime soon or ever, because of how power hungry it is. 6-8W over the RJ45 port for maintaining signal integrity. That's why datacenters favor SFP+ even for very short copper runs.
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Feb 19, 2017 00:35
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priznat posted:PCIe gen4 will start showing up more in 2018, when Ice Lake CPUs are supposed to arrive in the 2nd half of the year as part of the Tinsley platform.
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Feb 19, 2017 00:38
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:maybe SATA4 will come out of development hell by then To what end given NVMe exists?
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Feb 19, 2017 01:45
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:maybe SATA4 will come out of development hell by then I know SAS 24Gbps is coming soon but is SATA4 going to be a thing? Agreed that hopefully nvme replaces it, and it becomes if you want a few really fast drives get nvme and if you want a shitload of slower ones, SAS. Gimmie an nvme nas with a couple 10GbE links 
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Feb 19, 2017 02:23
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fishmech posted:When are native 2.5/5/10 gigabit ports going to start showing up in mid-range laptops and affordable routers though? I would think it would be entirely more likely that we have an "age of dongles" (HEH) where everyone who needs 2.5-5Gbit performance will happily sacrifice a USB3.x port for it
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Feb 19, 2017 04:06
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I'm wondering if we will see more type C USB ports on motherboards along with a standardized front panel mobo header for the 10G USB. Or is this already a thing and I missed it somehow?
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Feb 19, 2017 04:30
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:maybe SATA4 will come out of development hell by then SATA 3.2 is basically SATA4. It's what implemented SATAe and the M.2 and U.2 slots, and also allows them to use NVMe in addition to AHCI. SATA 3.2 allows for a max bandwidth of 32 gigabits (via 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes) compared to SATA3's 6 gigabit, so it'll be good enough for the time being. U.2 is basically the SATA3 replacement people are looking for, but chipsets don't have enough bandwidth to simply replace every SATA3 port with a U.2, hence the current state of the market with mixed M.2 and SATA3. And weird limitations like some of your SATA ports get disabled if you plug in an M.2 drive. Also, U.2 ports are kinda big and SATAe ports are huge, so physical space on motherboards is actually a concern, especially when you're talking laptops. Hence M.2 is succeeding, and consumer U.2 and SATAe are pretty much dead in the water since they're pretty much 3 implementations of the same thing. filthychimp fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Feb 19, 2017 |
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Feb 19, 2017 05:46
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priznat posted:I'm wondering if we will see more type C USB ports on motherboards along with a standardized front panel mobo header for the 10G USB.
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Feb 19, 2017 13:53
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Part of the problem is that USB 3.1 Gen 2 requires a lot of bandwidth and thus, multiple ports would require a not-insignificant amount of PCI-E lanes, iirc.
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Feb 19, 2017 16:00
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While it's nice that USB3.1 Gen2 can supply that much bandwidth, it'll probably be rarely used by multiple devices at once. Probably just one is going to saturate their connection at any given time, and probably just for a short moment under normal conditions.
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Feb 19, 2017 16:10
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PerrineClostermann posted:Part of the problem is that USB 3.1 Gen 2 requires a lot of bandwidth and thus, multiple ports would require a not-insignificant amount of PCI-E lanes, iirc. Yeah, on a 2-lane budget, PCIe 4 would let us go from 1 port to 3 ports. Though to be honest, I'm not sure why they don't double up ports and share bandwidth between pairs. This would be fine in many cases. Maybe the chips don't support such a thing? (Yet?) idk priznat posted:PCIe gen4 will start showing up more in 2018, when Ice Lake CPUs are supposed to arrive in the 2nd half of the year as part of the Tinsley platform. Is any of this confirmed at all?  I was really hoping to see PCIe 4 sooner rather than later.Internals are bandwidth constrained these days with 40G thunderbolt, multiple 10G usb, 5+G ethernet, 32G NVMe... all bottle-necked on 32G connection between CPU and chipset. It hasn't turned nasty for consumers because it's rare to use that much bandwidth at once, but it's already quite possible to. (e.g. VR sensor poo poo likes 15G of total USB bandwidth. So just using VR is going to slow NVMe performance by up to half... which doesn't really matter yet but it means we're already affected. Who knows how many more sensors they'd like to have if it wouldn't overload our systems. Oculus is already on the record as wishing they could use more USB 3 ports but USB controllers seem to have trouble keeping up.)
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Feb 19, 2017 16:52
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Combat Pretzel posted:While it's nice that USB3.1 Gen2 can supply that much bandwidth, it'll probably be rarely used by multiple devices at once. Probably just one is going to saturate their connection at any given time, and probably just for a short moment under normal conditions. Except if you're an oculus rift owner 
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Feb 19, 2017 16:53
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Hope they swallow their pride and adopt Lighthouse tracking, because what sort of bullshit solution is it to sample two or more cameras at high resolution and framerate for tracking?!crazypenguin posted:Internals are bandwidth constrained these days with 40G thunderbolt, multiple 10G usb, 5+G ethernet, 32G NVMe... all bottle-necked on 32G connection between CPU and chipset. It hasn't turned nasty for consumers because it's rare to use that much bandwidth at once, but it's already quite possible to. (e.g. VR sensor poo poo likes 15G of total USB bandwidth. So just using VR is going to slow NVMe performance by up to half... which doesn't really matter yet but it means we're already affected. Who knows how many more sensors they'd like to have if it wouldn't overload our systems. Oculus is already on the record as wishing they could use more USB 3 ports but USB controllers seem to have trouble keeping up.) Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Feb 19, 2017 |
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Feb 19, 2017 16:58
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Maybe they don't qualify as USB 3.1 Gen 2 ports unless they can actually hit the spec-required bandwidth at all times?
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There's also not a lot of great desktop applications for USB-C compared to mobile solutions. For example you wouldn't power your desktop with USB-C. You don't need external GPU, and you don't need to reduce the number of ports just to make your desktop physically smaller.
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