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TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

Kurieg posted:

Engineers have a paragon interrupt in Omega during the cutscene where you're rerouting power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrF2HI77K6M

thats pretty cool. I never had the patience to be anything but a doomguy in mass effect.

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steakmancer
May 18, 2010

by Lowtax
3 abilities m-m-max???

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

n-n-no

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Bud K ninja sword posted:

thats pretty cool. I never had the patience to be anything but a doomguy in mass effect.

Bioware said it was because Engineer's always been by far the least-played class in every game in the series.

In 3, it's a class with a hugely versatile toolkit. You have a power for every occasion and barely need a gun.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Cythereal posted:

Bioware said it was because Engineer's always been by far the least-played class in every game in the series.

In 3, it's a class with a hugely versatile toolkit. You have a power for every occasion and barely need a gun.

Yeah, you're basically an old-school wizard shooting out fire and lightning while summoning minions to do your bidding.

steakmancer
May 18, 2010

by Lowtax
Alright, I guess Omnigrenade-Trip Mine-Charge is the Demoman build

steakmancer
May 18, 2010

by Lowtax
I just need an eyepatch or a very bulky visor

Also if there was a skin shade darker than "Latino/Middle-Eastern Day Laborer" that would be great

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!

steakmancer posted:

3 abilities m-m-max???

Could be just to make it easier to use abilities on the fly for simplicity's sake on a controller, PC will probably be able to make full use of everything.

Otherwise, idk lol

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

steakmancer posted:

3 abilities m-m-max???

Looks to be 12 max: you have 3 active at a time but you can set up 4 'favorites' with 3 abilities each. And it looks like you switch between favorites with the d-pad.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

I wonder how they set up the default on the PC? Q and E standing in for LB and RB with the 1-4 keys mapping your favorites?

steakmancer
May 18, 2010

by Lowtax
Pyro: Incinerate-Flamethrower-Backlash

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

marshmallow creep posted:

I wonder how they set up the default on the PC? Q and E standing in for LB and RB with the 1-4 keys mapping your favorites?

I might just run with a controller for this game. The PC interface for inquisition wasn't super great but the controller support was fine.

Serf
May 5, 2011


If a PC game has controller support, I generally use it. So I'm glad they are finally putting it in for Mass Effect.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Like hell I'd play a shooter with a controller.

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Like hell I'd play a shooter with a controller.
:agreed:

ME2&3 were good enough ports, Inquisition worked well enough for me, I saw no reason to plug a controller in.
So with that history I see no reason to doubt that the port will be competent enough.

Thor-Stryker
Nov 11, 2005
Is there not enough buttons on a controller to have more than 3 abilities at a time now?


I've got 1-5 and F1-F4 easily pressable by one hand and Bioware is still trying to dumb this poo poo down to Divekick levels of complexity.

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

marshmallow creep posted:

I wonder how they set up the default on the PC? Q and E standing in for LB and RB with the 1-4 keys mapping your favorites?
My guess would be number keys for abilities, function keys for favourites. Unless they put weapon selection on the number keys.
In any case, doing the combination thing for the third ability on PC is pretty daft, and I don't think they'll do that. Actually, how did the ME3 MP work with keyboard?

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Groetgaffel posted:

My guess would be number keys for abilities, function keys for favourites. Unless they put weapon selection on the number keys.
In any case, doing the combination thing for the third ability on PC is pretty daft, and I don't think they'll do that. Actually, how did the ME3 MP work with keyboard?

Number keys for abilities just like SP.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
Lol at you noobs who don't have those 3 side buttons for your thumb on your mouse.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Thor-Stryker posted:

Is there not enough buttons on a controller to have more than 3 abilities at a time now?


I've got 1-5 and F1-F4 easily pressable by one hand and Bioware is still trying to dumb this poo poo down to Divekick levels of complexity.

Maybe this has already been confirmed but given that you have 3 active abilities at any one time on a "favorite" build I'm guessing, with a controller, you switch between your active 3 with left/down/right and switch between builds by holding up and then having something akin to the power wheel in ME2 to switch builds.

How you would control squad powers I'm not sure.

steakmancer
May 18, 2010

by Lowtax
You can probably switch out of combat but I doubt you can in

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Bud K ninja sword posted:

:same:

more space gunporn please.

I'm afraid you'll be in for disappointment after the days of release day MSG5 and the ability to put scopes on grenades. BioWare could never be that tacticool even on accident!

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Crabtree posted:

I'm afraid you'll be in for disappointment after the days of release day MSG5 and the ability to put scopes on grenades. BioWare could never be that tacticool even on accident!

On the other hand, my current character in ME3 MP has a bayonet attached to a flamethrower, and a bayonet attached to a grenade launcher.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Cythereal posted:

Bioware said it was because Engineer's always been by far the least-played class in every game in the series.

In 3, it's a class with a hugely versatile toolkit. You have a power for every occasion and barely need a gun.

:agreed: This is no exaggeration. Engineer is strong as gently caress and guns were an afterthought.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

Cythereal posted:

Bioware said it was because Engineer's always been by far the least-played class in every game in the series.

In 3, it's a class with a hugely versatile toolkit. You have a power for every occasion and barely need a gun.

Yeah. The name makes you think it's all about debuff and hacks, but it's more of a classic mage than any Adept.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

frajaq posted:

Also it seems the ESRB was updated :huh:



yeah called that one. DA:I crossed the nudity Rubicon on the bridge built by witcher and there is no going back.



Caidin posted:

Have they mentioned if Andromeda natives have their own biotics? Making all the space cats lose their monocles at my glowy bullshit powers seems like it would be fun.

I assume they do or they call it something different. isnt it like a naturally occurring thing with asari and then some humans have it because birth defects?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah called that one. DA:I crossed the nudity Rubicon on the bridge built by witcher and there is no going back.


I assume they do or they call it something different. isnt it like a naturally occurring thing with asari and then some humans have it because birth defects?

Asari naturally have it, humans get implants.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Fangz posted:

Asari naturally have it, humans get implants.

Not quite. Asari are unique in that they're all born with it, but in every other race biotics are only in a small percentage of the population, either born with it due to exposure to element zero in the womb (this is most of them - Kaidan talks about he was one of a lot of biotic children born after an industrial accident in Singapore blew up an element zero core and irradiated a large swathe of the population including his pregnant mom) or from surviving massive element zero exposure later in life. This is also why quarian biotics are noted to be so rare, the only large-scale exposure quarians get to element zero is when a ship's drive core explodes, and even then their suits do a lot to protect them.

Every race uses implants to enhance and focus their powers if they have them. The biological basis of biotics is nodules of element zero developing in the nervous system, and any biotic can use them intuitively. Implants make it much easier, much less stressful, and amplify the effects.

This is also Bioware's justification for Shepard potentially developing biotic powers between games via changing class or bonus powers: Shepard's been exposed to so much element zero from exploding cores (like Sovereign's and the Human-Reaper) that she's developed biotic nodules in her nervous system.


So yeah, there's going to be billions of biotic children of every race born across the galaxy in the aftermath of ME3 from all the ships, Reapers, and other element zero intensive hardware going boom in populated areas.

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables


Fangz posted:

Asari naturally have it, humans get implants.

Biotics are caused by Eezo exposure. Thessia has naturally high Eezo levels so Asari evolved with biotics. Humans only started getting exposed to Eezo after they made first contact and started using mass effect technology. It either gives you biotic abilities or brain cancer. Amps are used to help you control the power and focus it.

E: beaten by a much fuller explanation!

Helith fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Feb 19, 2017

Trast
Oct 20, 2010

Three games, thousands of playthroughs. 90% of the players don't know I exist. Still a redhead saving the galaxy with a [Right Hook].

:edi:
Limiting the powers you can use in combat didn't hurt multiplayer's fun.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
There's a lot of people making excuses for playing a nerdy rear end wizard class in a game where you can play a teleporting muscle wizard.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Eej posted:

There's a lot of people making excuses for playing a nerdy rear end wizard class in a game where you can play a teleporting muscle wizard.

And yet there's something to be said for playing a nerdy rear end wizard class that comes standard with a flaming diamond sword.

Reclaimer
Sep 3, 2011

Pierced through the heart
but never killed



Cythereal posted:

And yet there's something to be said for playing a nerdy rear end wizard class that comes standard with a flaming diamond sword.

Eeeh, but sometimes the muscle wizards have this:

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Reclaimer posted:

Eeeh, but sometimes the muscle wizards have this:


Volus can do that, too. I wouldn't get too proud of yourself.

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

Look at all these people with Krogan envy.

'Oooh... I'm a toughie, I can punch stuff too.'

It's soooo transparent, people.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Cythereal posted:

And yet there's something to be said for playing a nerdy rear end wizard class that comes standard with a flaming diamond sword.

Flaming diamond swords is just overcompensating when muscle wizards can shoulder check and punch for the same effect.

I mean it's good that Bioware decided that Vanguard/Knight-Enchanter style agility should be baseline for every class in the game because it means that they finally realized that those classes were by far the most fun things they've ever designed as opposed to say, most of the other classes in their respective games.

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

I hope you can still headbutt as a Krogan in multiplayer

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Eej posted:

Flaming diamond swords is just overcompensating when muscle wizards can shoulder check and punch for the same effect.

But style is priceless, and vanguards blew their budget on cheap special effects. Why, there's even infiltrators these days who have learned to teleport.

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

Cythereal posted:

Not quite. Asari are unique in that they're all born with it, but in every other race biotics are only in a small percentage of the population, either born with it due to exposure to element zero in the womb (this is most of them - Kaidan talks about he was one of a lot of biotic children born after an industrial accident in Singapore blew up an element zero core and irradiated a large swathe of the population including his pregnant mom) or from surviving massive element zero exposure later in life. This is also why quarian biotics are noted to be so rare, the only large-scale exposure quarians get to element zero is when a ship's drive core explodes, and even then their suits do a lot to protect them.

Every race uses implants to enhance and focus their powers if they have them. The biological basis of biotics is nodules of element zero developing in the nervous system, and any biotic can use them intuitively. Implants make it much easier, much less stressful, and amplify the effects.

This is also Bioware's justification for Shepard potentially developing biotic powers between games via changing class or bonus powers: Shepard's been exposed to so much element zero from exploding cores (like Sovereign's and the Human-Reaper) that she's developed biotic nodules in her nervous system.


So yeah, there's going to be billions of biotic children of every race born across the galaxy in the aftermath of ME3 from all the ships, Reapers, and other element zero intensive hardware going boom in populated areas.

I heard this in the codex voice.

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marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

quote:

Barrett Rodych ‏ForgedPixels
On ME2 for awhile, Miranda's eyeball was mapped to her entire face, had lil faces in her eyes

That must have been a ... sight. :razz:

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