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Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

VectorSigma posted:

and it looks fuckin rad too



seriously how do they clean all those panels?

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Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

HycoCam posted:

Remember when we learned that if you are a smart black man that works hard on your education and civic duty--you too can be President.

Now we know it also applies if you ate a bunch of paint chips when you were a kid.

a black man becoming president was an inspiring tale of social progress, but it turns out the bar was so very low

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Agrajag posted:

seriously how do they clean all those panels?

Illegal immigrants with squeegees.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

it's like struggling with all your might to finish a race and afterwards you find out it was the special olympics

it's still an achievement but it's also tainted somehow

BUSH 2112
Sep 17, 2012

I lie awake, staring out at the bleakness of Megadon.

Yinlock posted:

a black man becoming president was an inspiring tale of social progress, but it turns out the bar was so very low

well, first black president followed by first developmentally disabled president. that's pretty progressive!

Bert Roberge
Nov 28, 2003

fits my needs posted:

You need to move back in a few months and drink from the streams after the coal companies have had their way with em

I actually grew up on an abandoned coal mine property.

People would regularly empty their washing machines into the streams and kill everything.

Now my old property is just a muddy logging road lol.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Agrajag posted:

seriously how do they clean all those panels?
that's a mirror solar generator (UV light reflects into a bulb tower that steams water and spins turbines, also the cheapest kind of solar generator), so they just use water

Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012

VectorSigma posted:

and it looks fuckin rad too



is this Helios 1?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I'm enjoying watching the escalating "what the gently caress, wha..what th...WHAT" from this thread that a lot of Hoosiers experienced when it was introduced

It makes zero sense unless you factor in that the utilities are incredibly powerful here. When the issue is the utilities paying the highest rate for the free energy they're getting, why fix that when you could rip the whole thing up and force everybody to just give them a bunch of money

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief



:stare::stonklol::stonkhat:

Bert Roberge
Nov 28, 2003

fits my needs posted:

You need to move back in a few months and drink from the streams after the coal companies have had their way with em

Coal companies had been loving up our stream since birth.

I literally grew up on an abandoned coal mine.

We used to explore the old coal carts and pick giant mushrooms and look for fossils in the shale piles.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

donald trump retroactively diminishes the value of the presidency

Oiled and Ready
Oct 11, 2004

He wished it could be as respectable and orthodox as spying. But somehow in his hands the traditional tools and attitudes were always employed toward mean ends: cloak for a laundry sack, dagger to peel potatoes, dossiers to fill up dead Sunday afternoons ...

Bert Roberge posted:

Can some redhat lurker in this thread tell me how to love Trump?

If you have a nice life goin' for you, there's no reason for you to love Trump. You need to believe that the world is doomed and always has been.

"Trump is steering into the skid embodied.

Trump is Pepe.

Trump is loserdom embraced.

Trump is the loser who has won, the pathetic little frog on the big strong body.

Trump’s ventures of course, represent this fantasy: this hope that the working man, against the odds dictated by his knowledge, experience, or hard work will one day strike it rich — Trump University, late night real estate schemes, the casinos. Trump himself, who inherited his wealth, represents the classic lucky sap.

But Trump also equally represents the knowledge that all of that is a lie, a scam that’s much older than you are, a fantasy that we can dwell in though it will never become true, like a video game.

Trump, in other words, is a way of owning and celebrating being taken advantage of.

Trump embodies buying the losing bet that will never be placed.

He is both despair and cruel arrogant dismissal, the fantasy of winning and the pain of losing mingled into one potion.

For this reason, the left should stop expecting Trump’s supporters to be upset when he doesn’t fulfill his promises.

Support for Trump is an acknowledgement that the promise is empty."

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

Agrajag posted:

shut up lindsey graham. unless you grew a spine recently


i'll call you when that happens, k?

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Epic High Five posted:

I'm enjoying watching the escalating "what the gently caress, wha..what th...WHAT" from this thread that a lot of Hoosiers experienced when it was introduced

It makes zero sense unless you factor in that the utilities are incredibly powerful here. When the issue is the utilities paying the highest rate for the free energy they're getting, why fix that when you could rip the whole thing up and force everybody to just give them a bunch of money
or, you know, the companies investing in solar themselves

of course, the coal/oil companies probably have a (likely literally) incestuous relationship with the utility companies in mordorland

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Anime Schoolgirl posted:

or, you know, the companies investing in solar themselves

lol that sounds like a much more expensive alternative to just literally forcing people who paid for solar panels and who give you energy you don't have to generate sometimes to give you all their energy for free and also you still get to cut them off from it

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

what i'm saying is since there's no standards look forward to my 2020 presidential run

my platform is solely deporting anyone who supports me to AIDS island

i expect to win unanimously

Oiled and Ready
Oct 11, 2004

He wished it could be as respectable and orthodox as spying. But somehow in his hands the traditional tools and attitudes were always employed toward mean ends: cloak for a laundry sack, dagger to peel potatoes, dossiers to fill up dead Sunday afternoons ...
It's a pretty decent article from someone who no doubt lurks this thread, btw. It is definitely overwritten, but hey - that's medium.com for you

quote:

Thus these Trump supporters hold a different sort of ideology, not one of “when will my horse come in”, but a trolling self-effacing, “I know my horse will never come in”. That is to say, younger Trump supporters know they are handing their money to someone who will never place their bets — only his own — because, after all, it’s plain as day there was never any other option.

In this sense, Trump’s incompetent, variable, and ridiculous behavior is the central pillar upon which his younger support rests.

Such an idea — one of utter contemptuous despair — is embodied in one image more than any other, one storied personage who has become a(n) hero to millions, the voice of a generation.

I am speaking, of course, of Pepe the Frog.

https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-key-to-the-rise-of-trump-624e7cb798cb#.8qludoxoi

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016
This is the thing I don't get, the Mojave Desert as well as significant portions of the southwestern US is worthless land that (mostly) cant be farmed, mined or ranched. Why in gods name aren't the southwestern states fighting tooth and nail to turn that barren wasteland into a major industrial center of the US with titanic amounts of Solar Farms?

Nevada, Arizona and others could become industrial powerhouses by supplying power to the rest of the US but something seems to be stopping them.

Maybe i'm missing something?

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal
Solar doesn't work in Indiana most because of latitude and clouds. We are also a poo poo red state that loves Duke energy.

Bert Roberge
Nov 28, 2003

My 5th grade science project was about the fossils we found in the weird shale dumps from the coal company.

Sooo many ferns.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Oiled and Ready posted:

If you have a nice life goin' for you, there's no reason for you to love Trump. You need to believe that the world is doomed and always has been.

"Trump is steering into the skid embodied.

Trump is Pepe.

Trump is loserdom embraced.

Trump is the loser who has won, the pathetic little frog on the big strong body.

Trump’s ventures of course, represent this fantasy: this hope that the working man, against the odds dictated by his knowledge, experience, or hard work will one day strike it rich — Trump University, late night real estate schemes, the casinos. Trump himself, who inherited his wealth, represents the classic lucky sap.

But Trump also equally represents the knowledge that all of that is a lie, a scam that’s much older than you are, a fantasy that we can dwell in though it will never become true, like a video game.

Trump, in other words, is a way of owning and celebrating being taken advantage of.

Trump embodies buying the losing bet that will never be placed.

He is both despair and cruel arrogant dismissal, the fantasy of winning and the pain of losing mingled into one potion.

For this reason, the left should stop expecting Trump’s supporters to be upset when he doesn’t fulfill his promises.

Support for Trump is an acknowledgement that the promise is empty."

(in a very Keanu voice) Whoa.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

LordAbaddon posted:

Maybe i'm missing something?

republicans

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Elephanthead posted:

Solar doesn't work in Indiana most because of latitude and clouds. We are also a poo poo red state that loves Duke energy.

It probably isn't going to be enough to power an entire average home, but they're becoming extremely common as a supplement or to run some high load stuff like AC or whatever

Once installed it's free money basically, because the first X watts you spend every hour will always be whatever watts are generated by the solar

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Epic High Five posted:

lol that sounds like a much more expensive alternative to just literally forcing people who paid for solar panels and who give you energy you don't have to generate sometimes to give you all their energy for free and also you still get to cut them off from it
well there's also the issue of people dying or getting genetic mutations from coal runoff, coal being unprofitable in 5 years and oil in 15, air quality, and the simple fact that people won't want to live in your state if you're hellbent on ripping them off

even in the short term they lose more revenue and by extension profit

hence why the primarily fossil fuel utility companies here have "rent a solar" programs that are marked up but workable

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


i never actually thought of trump supporters as the living embodiment of "actually, this lovely thing is extremely good" but oh my god it makes sense

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Pretty much the only thing that will save us from failing the Great Filter at this point is if some virus or bacteria evolves that infects and then renders oil stores unusable

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

well there's also the issue of people dying or getting genetic mutations from coal runoff, coal being unprofitable in 5 years and oil in 15, air quality, and the simple fact that people won't want to live in your state if you're hellbent on ripping them off

even in the short term they lose more revenue and by extension profit

hence why the fossil fuel companies here have "rent a solar" programs that are marked up but workable

sorry I owe it to the shareholders to extract the most profit I possibly can right now

slouch
Mar 10, 2009


if it was just them paying wholesale for whatever excess energy that would be lame but at least it wouldnt be fuckin insane. hell, even refusing to pay anything for excess at all would still be robbery but at least it would make some kind of hosed up sense. if you can't use your own drat panels without paying the power company that's just off the wall bonkers

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



If you're in a red state you should probably be writing your Reps right now to tell them that if they don't oppose similar legislation whispered to them by ALEC you will personally spend time and money to primary them

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Epic High Five posted:

Pretty much the only thing that will save us from failing the Great Filter at this point is if some virus or bacteria evolves that infects and then renders oil stores unusable

coal is basically unusable and that hasn't stopped them

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Epic High Five posted:

Pretty much the only thing that will save us from failing the Great Filter at this point is if some virus or bacteria evolves that infects and then renders oil stores unusable
just throw a gallon of oil-eating bacteria down an oil well and since most of them are mixed with water they'll stay alive and keep eating oil and turning it into actually usable gases like *ane :thumbsup:

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
scorch the sky

DryGoods
Apr 26, 2014

Dogs, on the other hand, can connect with that pathos.
https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/832825523210436608

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Epic High Five posted:

If you're in a red state you should probably be writing your Reps right now to tell them that if they don't oppose similar legislation whispered to them by ALEC you will personally spend time and money to primary them

I'm glad you said write because lol there's no loving chance 5 of Toomey's 7 phones are ever on-line again as long as he and Trump are both in offices

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010

Donald Trump

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

a very powerful and angry ghost god is forming from all the oil and coal we've burnt

millions, if not billions of ghosts are amalgating into the phantasmal fist that will crack the earth in half :arghfist::ghost:

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief
"Graham: Any Trump ally working inappropriately with Russia 'needs to pay a price'
By AIDAN QUIGLEY 02/15/17 10:06 AM EST
Sen. Lindsey Graham said Wednesday morning that Russia and any ally of President Donald Trump working with Russia needs "to pay a price" for their involvement in trying to influence the election in Trump's favor.

" If it is true, it is very, very disturbing to me, and Russia needs to pay a price when it comes to interfering in our democracy and other democracies," Graham said during an appearance on "Good Morning America" on ABC. " And any Trump person who was working with the Russians in an unacceptable way also needs to pay a price."

Story Continued Below


Trump called recent news reports that his aides had contact with Russian intelligence officials during the 2016 elections "fake news" Wednesday morning and said the "Russian connection was non-sense which was an attempt to cover-up the many mistakes made in Hillary Clinton's losing campaign."

Graham said if reports are true, Congress needs a joint select committee to examine the communication between Trump aides and Russia during the campaign and Trump's business ties to Russia.

The South Carolina Republican senator said he and Democratic Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island are doing a preliminary investigation. If they determine these communications did occur, Graham said it would be appropriate to call a joint select committee.

"The Congress is not fake," Graham said. "There are real members of Congress up here, Republicans and Democrats, who love our country and are going to make sure that checks and balances that have been in place for 200 years work, even when the president is in your own party."

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn resigned Monday night for telling Vice President Mike Pence he had not spoken about sanctions with a Russian ambassador when they had, in fact, discussed the matter. During the campaign, Trump called on Russia to hack Clinton's emails and said he would consider lifting sanctions on Russia, positions that differentiate him from congressional Republicans.

Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker joined Graham in saying that Congress and the American people both need more information on the connection between the Trump administration and Russia. Corker added the White House needs to stabilize itself to deal with more important issues.

"That is the elephant in the room that has got to be dealt with in the most appropriate way," Corker said Wednesday morning on MSNBC's Morning Joe. "The American people need to understand, we need to understand. And it needs to be dealt with quickly, and we need to get it behind us."

He said it would be 'appropriate' for Flynn to testify before Congress to clear the air.

"If I were the people leading the Trump effort at the White House, I would want to make sure, with all of the suspicion, that everybody fully understood what has taken place. Otherwise, maybe there's a problem that obviously goes much deeper than what we now suspect," he said.

Graham said if there was a relationship between the Trump campaign and the Russians, "it begins to explain some of his behavior."

"It's OK for Trump to disagree with Lindsey Graham and other Republicans on how to handle Russia," Graham said. "It would not be OK to have the Trump campaign receiving assistance from the Russians. That would be a game changer.""

Politico

:smug:

Lindsey O. Graham fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Feb 19, 2017

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Elephanthead posted:

Solar doesn't work in Indiana most because of latitude and clouds. We are also a poo poo red state that loves Duke energy.

Germany, Italy and Spain all have significant amounts of solar power generation, so I don't see how latitude is an issue.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


https://twitter.com/BrianEJ/status/832827183374561280

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LordAbaddon posted:

This is the thing I don't get, the Mojave Desert as well as significant portions of the southwestern US is worthless land that (mostly) cant be farmed, mined or ranched. Why in gods name aren't the southwestern states fighting tooth and nail to turn that barren wasteland into a major industrial center of the US with titanic amounts of Solar Farms?

Nevada, Arizona and others could become industrial powerhouses by supplying power to the rest of the US but something seems to be stopping them.

Maybe i'm missing something?
Probably something about transmission or batteries or subsidies

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