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My wife caught this on Twitter and found it to, well, be a poor summary of what all went down. Or rather, it is insufficient to describe the human (mis)behavior that has gotten us to right here, right now. She commented on it and started to get questions from, well, serious people. People want to know what the hell happened over a decade ago that got the world to alt-right Internet troll Pepe . So here's part of the article. In particular, the part at the beginning about the Something Awful/4chan thing. "Some dude on the Internet published: posted:1. Born from Something Awful Now there is where I'd say some stuff to all the young whippersnappers, but I have seen much better details of things from others on here than I ever saw. Hell, I vaguely recall 4chan starting around 2005, when it really started in 2003. God drat! So I'm more asking than telling to figure out what the evolution was. My executive's-abridged understanding of all this is: 1. Once upon a time, Something Awful really did have lots and lots of assholes. We like to joke, but yes, real assholes. Forum invasions were a sanctioned event that would leak over into doxxing. It was considered funny. Anybody who called it out was told, "it's called Something Awful. What did you expect?" 2. During that time, FYAD was it's own wonderful world of animated hello.jpgs among other things. Some (apparently very left-winging) people would blow steam by assuming personas of angry racist assholes. Some other people saw this, loved the hate, but didn't get the joke. I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference at the time, but some people within D&D and subforums seem to know a lot more about individual users and what they do now. 3. ADTRW was scaring the rest of the site with pictures of 40-story tall anime women shooting lasers out of their vaginas--among other things. Actually, IIRC posting anime torrents--and any files and porn for that matter--was getting shut down. 4. 4chan shows up. It's like that crazy Japanese 2chan message board. You can post all your torrents and laser vagina waifus in there. The assholes that were getting banned from SA for being actually racist had a place to go to save , and when invading and doxxing fell out of vogue, the assholes found their new home. I guess it just happened to be around 2005 when there was a more tangible schism, although no particular event to which to point that I know about. The demographic split had happened. Although people will still peruse both forums, I think by the late 2000s that they definitely had different crowds, and different histories. This isn't to say that SA is now some benign place of high moral standing or anything.
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cant wait for the chapter on lf and how it's rebirth as cspam lead to the fall of the amerikkkan ampire
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# ? Feb 19, 2017 23:43 |
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From later in the articlequote:Also like adolescent boys, 4chan users were deeply sensitive and guarded. They disguised their own sensitivity (namely, their fear that they would be, “forever alone”) by extreme insensitivity. The rules, like everything else, were always half in jest. Everything had to be a done with at least a twinkle of winking irony. This was an escape route, a way of never having to admit to your peers that you were in fact expressing something from your heart, in other words — that you were indeed vulnerable. No matter what a user did or said, he could always say it was “for the lulz” (lols). Like (by comparison the tame and sophisticated precursor) “Something Awful” board that spawned it, 4chan defined itself by being insensitive to suffering in that way only people who have never really suffered can — that is to say, young people, mostly young men, protected by a cloak of anonymity. The accepted standard was a sort of libertarian “free speech” banner, in which isolated man-boys asserted their right to do or say anything no matter someone else’s feelings. This meant generally posting pornography, swastikas, racial slurs, and content that reveled in harm to other people.
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# ? Feb 19, 2017 23:51 |
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i thought SA and 4chan had drifted pretty far apart already even before 4chan transformed from weeaboo imageboard into teen nazi breeding ground
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 00:02 |
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take my advice and make it an oral history instead
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 00:06 |
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Mariana Horchata posted:take my advice and make it an oral history instead I vote for Martin Sheen
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 00:14 |
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so?
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 01:51 |
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ok but i'm hearing 4 chan is anti trump now, what's that about?
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 01:51 |
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:From later in the article since the gently caress when have we been tame and sophisticated
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 02:04 |
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wasn't part of it the whole cracking down on porn and file sharing? especially porn that wasn't very legal?
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 02:30 |
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History should remember us as monsters
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Doorknob Slobber posted:wasn't part of it the whole cracking down on porn and file sharing? especially porn that wasn't very legal? i think the ADTRW pedo purge postdates the founding of 4chan ironically ADTRW is apparently the least pedo-infested anime forum on the internet because it used to be full of them until lowtax banned them all. lowtax shoulda looked a little harder at TVIV while he was at it lol
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 03:05 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:History should remember us as monsters we should write the guy and let him know that SA is now a not-very-secret NAMBLA front group
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 03:06 |
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Remember helldump? Good times.
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 04:36 |
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We're the eldar to 4chan's dark eldar
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 04:39 |
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Noun Verber posted:Remember helldump? Good times. i think the gamergate lady was a helldumper at one point all kinds of shameful things crawl from something awful
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Fallen Hamprince posted:i think the gamergate lady was a helldumper at one point Yepppppppp. Lowtax is the disappointed drunk dad of some of the Internet worst creations.
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 06:04 |
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Grondoth posted:We're the eldar to 4chan's dark eldar d&d's arrogance is matched only by their wordcount
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 06:07 |
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Hahahaha wow Can't wait for the documentary about this poo poo is made
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 06:09 |
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zeal posted:d&d's arrogance is matched only by their wordcount That would make c-spam Eldar corsairs. Checks out.
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 10:01 |
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The chanology -> "Anonymous" as movement -> "hacktivism" -> Occupy pipeline isn't so much as mentioned, I see.
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 10:05 |
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papa_november posted:The chanology -> "Anonymous" as movement -> "hacktivism" -> Occupy pipeline isn't so much as mentioned, I see. it's a pretty big part of the article???
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 10:12 |
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I always thought the internet was drifting further and further left. But after this election I have no idea what to think. 4chan, alt-right Twitter, and all of the anti-academic/alt-right popular Youtubers shot that theory down.
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 10:13 |
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StashAugustine posted:it's a pretty big part of the article??? it does skip over some things, such as the whole "sabu" mess, but it's an earnest effort Slow-Scan Shep has issued a correction as of 11:43 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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this part is severely goodquote:In the third presidential debate, Hillary evoked her conservative father as a way of appealing to the electorate, “My father was a small-businessman.” she said. “He worked really hard… And so what I believe is the more we can do the middle class, the more we can invest in you…” but also lol pepe
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 12:13 |
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deadgoon posted:cant wait for the chapter on lf and how it's rebirth as cspam lead to the fall of the amerikkkan ampire
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Tales of Woe posted:i thought SA and 4chan had drifted pretty far apart already even before 4chan transformed from weeaboo imageboard into teen nazi breeding ground I thought the whole reason 4chan came into existence is because Something Awful was ban-happy but allowed you to be an rear end in a top hat, to an extent, as long as it was funny. 4chan, on the other hand, is full of posters with no sense of humor and incredibly thin skinned about their rights to post terrible poo poo with impunity.
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 14:28 |
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The real reason is because of image embedding/hosting
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 14:29 |
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SA was so much better back then
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 14:37 |
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:things were typed here I like the art for Friday and the game too so your av is v cool to me.
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 15:09 |
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What do you think this is, something sensetive?
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 15:25 |
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https://blogs.loc.gov/folklife/2014/06/getting-serious-about-collecting-and-preserving-digital-culture/ Remember that the library of congress is archiving SA
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 16:47 |
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some things aren't worth preserving
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 16:50 |
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deadgoon posted:cant wait for the chapter on lf and how it's rebirth as cspam lead to the fall of the amerikkkan ampire
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 18:13 |
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irony and deconstruction, the ideas that you can mock supposed universal values like what racism is or the role of a modern woman is more central to the culture of 4chan than sa imo, which led to the schism. posting outright nazi things here and not getting banned is highly dependent on context, but there it's just a thing you do because we live in an absurd world
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 18:22 |
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It's fairly win that the liberals are still trying to peg trump's win to /pol/ which probably has 5k posters maximum.
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 18:48 |
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lf will be vindicated as the revival of the left in our future communist history books
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 19:11 |
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Plutonis posted:It's fairly win that the liberals are still trying to peg trump's win to /pol/ which probably has 5k posters maximum. the thing pol is is a reflection of more widespread feelings among american men under 40 tho
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wizard on a water slide posted:the thing pol is is a reflection of more widespread feelings among american men under 40 tho A lot of it can be blamed on late capitalism but hey better pick up the loving cartoon frog as a scapegoat.
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The Brown Menace posted:this part is severely good Business owning suburban baby boomers also voted overwhelmingly for Trump, lmao.
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