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Toplowtech posted:Even with the pandering to the Muslim population aspect of it, France total denial of the Algerian Defeat is insane. It's at "we are loving crazy level" of insane. If it even manage to remind some people slavery and the whole colonization poo poo was a waste of human life for the profit of a small parisian elite, i fail to see the problem. Oh no someone called those old family of assholes, assholes. Those poor billionnaires. Chez ces gens-là, on ne pense pas, monsieur. On ne pense pas, on prie. On ne vit pas, on triche. On ne cause pas, on compte.
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Kurtofan posted:I thought the greens weren't fielding a candidate this year, what's jadot doing There was an internal vote and they decided with an overwhelming majority, like 89%, to engage in talks with Hamon and Mélenchon.
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Is there bad blood between Hamon and Mélenchon? Because right now it looks like Mélenchon's voters will be handing the election to either Fillon or Macron. I get that they are pissed at the Socialists for their liberal economic policies under Hollande, but Hamon is the one who stood against those reforms while Macron was the one pushing for them, so voting for Hamon seems like a no-brainer if you want an actual leftist.
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The issue is that as far as Mélenchon is concerned, voters who want actual leftism should just vote for him; after Hollande it's going to be hard to trust socialists and besides the party is eating itself right now because all the blairists in it are pissed off against Hamon (a few even defected to Macron, lol).
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Mr.48 posted:Is there bad blood between Hamon and Mélenchon? Because right now it looks like Mélenchon's voters will be handing the election to either Fillon or Macron. I get that they are pissed at the Socialists for their liberal economic policies under Hollande, but Hamon is the one who stood against those reforms while Macron was the one pushing for them, so voting for Hamon seems like a no-brainer if you want an actual leftist. The hard left / socialist divide is very old and very entrenched and hard to reconcile without losing the core electorate of either. Plus Mélenchon left the PS with some fanfare to lead the PG; coming back (even within a coalition) at this point would be an admission of defeat.
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Mr.48 posted:Is there bad blood between Hamon and Mélenchon? Because right now it looks like Mélenchon's voters will be handing the election to either Fillon or Macron. I get that they are pissed at the Socialists for their liberal economic policies under Hollande, but Hamon is the one who stood against those reforms while Macron was the one pushing for them, so voting for Hamon seems like a no-brainer if you want an actual leftist. He and Montebourg pushed Hollande to choose Valls as the prime minister, and he did absolutely nothing against the Loi Travail. He may have stood against Macron but he definitely chose fights that wouldn't get him thrown out of the party. At this point I might sound like a broken record but never EVER trust the PS. e: I realize it makes sense to avoid being thrown out of a party you represent, but compromising out of self-preservation isn't a concept I usually associate with socialists. x420ReDdIT_Br0nYx fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Feb 19, 2017 |
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I wonder if we can tame Macron into being a decent president. Him or a Mélenchon without the unpleasant nostalgias. France has a shot at keeping Europe and the west from turning into a complete joke imo unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Feb 19, 2017 |
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Macron is positioning himself as an Obama-type, both rhetorically and ideologically. And that sounds well and good, at least for him, but then you realize that Obama's failings are, in part, responsible for the rise of Trump. I'm not gonna say a 5-year delay on the global rise of fascism is a bad thing, but maybe we could do better?
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unpacked robinhood posted:France has a shot at keeping Europe and the west from turning into a complete joke imo
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ElNarez posted:Macron is positioning himself as an Obama-type, both rhetorically and ideologically. And that sounds well and good, at least for him, but then you realize that Obama's failings are, in part, responsible for the rise of Trump. I'm not gonna say a 5-year delay on the global rise of fascism is a bad thing, but maybe we could do better? He literally thinks he's the new century's De Gaulle.
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I mean he's a huge poo poo and a smiley face for the medef's agenda but what's left, Benoit "I don't like white people" Hamon ?
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Toplowtech posted:Yeah let remember how "well" we did last time we had that kind of responsibility. Vous êtes pas dans la merde les gars. Can't be worse than what Germany is doing.
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unpacked robinhood posted:I mean he's a huge poo poo and a smiley face for the medef's agenda but what's left, Benoit "I don't like white people" Hamon ? 
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Anyone else listens to L'esprit public ? Today's broadcast starts in 10 mins with a discussion about the FNs platform.
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ElNarez posted:Macron is positioning himself as an Obama-type, both rhetorically and ideologically. And that sounds well and good, at least for him, but then you realize that Obama's failings are, in part, responsible for the rise of Trump. I'm not gonna say a 5-year delay on the global rise of fascism is a bad thing, but maybe we could do better? Also, he is currently tied with Fillon at this point in the latest polling despite everything. I had a feeling that LR voters in the end absolutely don't give a poo poo how corrupt their candidate is.
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Ardennes posted:. I had a feeling that LR voters in the end absolutely don't give a poo poo how corrupt their candidate is. What could possibly make you think that?  
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Ardennes posted:Also, he is currently tied with Fillon at this point in the latest polling despite everything. I had a feeling that LR voters in the end absolutely don't give a poo poo how corrupt their candidate is. The bourgeoisie have a pretty good class consciousness, they defend their interests and don't embarrass themselves with morals.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:The bourgeoisie have a pretty good class consciousness, they defend their interests and don't embarrass themselves with morals.
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Goa Tse-tung posted:but there was no video? Exactly.
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Ardennes posted:Also, he is currently tied with Fillon at this point in the latest polling despite everything. I had a feeling that LR voters in the end absolutely don't give a poo poo how corrupt their candidate is. Yet another way Les Ricains are copying their buddies across the ocean.
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LRs will always be UMPs in my heart
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Who even bothers with the acronyms? It's always la droite.
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unpacked robinhood posted:LRs will always be UMPs in my heart  Nothing will replace the RPR in mine
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Lol if PS refuses to join forces with Melenchon, fillon gets the first round, and we get President LePen.
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Kassad posted:Who even bothers with the acronyms? It's always la droite. Les Ripoux Les Ratés Les Risibles Les Ridicules Les Repoussants
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Fiction posted:Lol if PS refuses to join forces with Melenchon, fillon gets the first round, and we get President LePen. It would almost certainly be Fillon then, I don't think Le Pen has won in any second round polls against any of the current front-runners (maybe she would beat Hollande....). Of course Fillon is terrible, and is probably economically to the right of even Le Pen. I think Macron's problem is he simply doesn't have a very stable electorate behind him and no party infrastructure to give his candidacy any infrastructure, while Fillon can usually rely on more traditional right-wing voters to stay loyal no matter how corrupt or despicable he is. Also, the rest of the left is more divided then the right which complicates any type of triangulation strategy.
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Private Speech posted:Hamon but he probably doesn't have much chance. What is called hard left nowadays was probably called "gentle left" 30 years ago, says how right minded people are nowadays
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An Italian paper is claiming that Juncker is contemplating resignation: https://translate.google.nl/transla...nno=2&sandbox=1Google Translate posted:BRUSSELS - Jean-Claude Juncker in the next four weeks could leave the presidency of the European Commission . The match will be played in March, a crucial month for the Union's future and the period during which the former Prime Minister of Luxembourg will decide whether to stay in Brussels or resign. e: written up more comprehensibly here: http://www.politico.eu/blogs/playbook-plus/2017/02/jean-claude-juncker-to-quit-commission-president-huffs-world-shrugs-second-term/ LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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The Telegraph has picked up on it as well (shocker) and it's already being denied by an EU Commission spokesperson, fwiw:
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Juncker used all his political capital to bet on Tsipras and lost that bet when Tsipras called his referendum. Ever since that time Juncker was done.
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Calling Timmermans a socialist should be a crime against humanity. In the Netherlands his party has been happily marching along with the right-wing liberals for the past 4 years (but really, much longer) and are now suddenly surprised why they are no longer popular.
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GaussianCopula posted:Juncker used all his political capital to bet on Tsipras and lost that bet when Tsipras called his referendum. Ever since that time Juncker was done.
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Namarrgon posted:Calling Timmermans a socialist should be a crime against humanity. In the Netherlands his party has been happily marching along with the right-wing liberals for the past 4 years (but really, much longer) and are now suddenly surprised why they are no longer popular. He's a socialist like Sigmar Gabriel  MeLKoR posted:It's only a shame that no matter how long or how many times austerity fails all over the world it's proponents never "lose political capital". Much like communism, austerity cannot fail, but only be failed.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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It's a 'common sense solution' and arguing those is going to work until the end of time because real solutions are complicated and often conceptually difficult to grasp.
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orange sky posted:Yeah how the gently caress is austerity still a thing when it's been proven to not work again and again? Because it's an ideology.
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Friendly Humour posted:Because it's an ideology. Because it serves the people who have the political power, or rather, those who have bought it.
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Here, have some trends: https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/833654091129769984 https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/833653854222897162 I don't think I like these trends.
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orange sky posted:Yeah how the gently caress is austerity still a thing when it's been proven to not work again and again? Since there are actually knowledgeable people reading this thread, I would like to hear an answer too. Aside from obvious dumpster fires like Greece, what is keeping austerity parties and austerity in power in Europe?
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