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Everything makes more sense once you see Trump as an outsider challenging the existing power structure. He's essentially an independent that hijacked the "Republican Party" from Jeb and Ted Or he's a huge shill running the most elaborate con game in the history of mankind. Time will tell.
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You don't get the funding and support to be seriously considered for the presidency without falling into a narrow realm of acceptable stances on the issues. Turns out too many cycles of this similarity among leaders results in outsider oafs appearing attractive to voters. Sarah Palin was a warning shot
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:homeownership for millenials is at the lowest point in the last 35 years, Do you not know what millennials are? I guarantee homeownership right now is not lower than it was before any of them had even been born, you dipshit.
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Who What Now posted:Do you not know what millennials are? I guarantee homeownership right now is not lower than it was before any of them had even been born, you dipshit. He's completely wrong though. Millenials own way more houses today than they did 35 years ago.
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i've always loved the talking point about obamacare making insurance cost so much more. it was going up at a higher rate year to year prior to the aca.
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:He's completely wrong though. Millenials own way more houses today than they did 35 years ago. Yes, that's what I was saying.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i've always loved the talking point about obamacare making insurance cost so much more. it was going up at a higher rate year to year prior to the aca. I dunno, I experienced Obamacare firsthand, it immediately lowered the quality of my insurance and raised the premiums. It's more than doubled for worse insurance from the same company (I was self-insured before that) Obamacare was a way to have the young and healthy shoulder more and more of the burden of a healthcare system becoming top heavy and unsustainable.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:I dunno, I experienced Obamacare firsthand, it immediately lowered the quality of my insurance and raised the premiums. It's more than doubled for worse insurance from the same company (I was self-insured before that) same. thanks obama
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I got laid off in december so I was checking out the ACA for the first time this year. I was to pay 5000 dollars a year, with an insane deductable ( I want to say 10-20k, basically useless unless I got cancer or something), or no longer have health insurance. I started laughing as the guy was explaining it to me over the phone. I think he thought I had gone insane. So I'm unemployed for the first time in 15 years and somehow I don't qualify for any insurance assistance because I'm unemployed? What? I guess their is talk that we won't have to pay the tax for not being insured though so thats something I guess. Ideally everyone would be enrolled. We need single payer like every other 1st world country on earth. Wendigee fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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too bad hope and change decided single payer wasn't going to make the guys that turned our healthcare system into the mess it is enough money c'est la vie
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one thing to note about ACA is that it needed republican support in order to get through (im pretty sure?). is this the reason why they picked Mitt Romney's plan to implement federally? i dont goddamn know, maybe obama was indeed a corporate shill, or maybe he figured that bipartisanship would be the only way to push it through (which has turned out to be a political move that backfired bigly - it gave republicans tonnes of leverage to stand up against the bill they themselves passed)
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My assessment of Obamacare has always been that it was like letting Ford and Chevy design public transportation, and their plan was "sell everyone a car"
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Kjoery posted:one thing to note about ACA is that it needed republican support in order to get through (im pretty sure?). is this the reason why they picked Mitt Romney's plan to implement federally? i dont goddamn know, maybe obama was indeed a corporate shill, or maybe he figured that bipartisanship would be the only way to push it through (which has turned out to be a political move that backfired bigly - it gave republicans tonnes of leverage to stand up against the bill they themselves passed) it's because blue dogs hosed over obama and also democrats are under the impression the republican party is full of adults so you can compromise so they try to meet in the middle (like the dumb poo poo hillary going "well we can't have 15 bucks let's do 12 bucks") and the republicans go nah gently caress you, you gotta give us what we want. pretty much every lovely bit of obamacare is due to republican demands so it rules them being able to use their own mistakes to attack their enemies.
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Wasn't the ACA originally a Republican idea anyways? That's what I heard, it's just funny that if that were true then that means the Republicans will fight against their own self interests as long as they're being contrarian to a Democrat.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i've always loved the talking point about obamacare making insurance cost so much more. it was going up at a higher rate year to year prior to the aca. http://blog.bcbsnc.com/2016/12/3-affordable-care-act-myths-refuse-die/
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's because blue dogs hosed over obama and also democrats are under the impression the republican party is full of adults so you can compromise so they try to meet in the middle (like the dumb poo poo hillary going "well we can't have 15 bucks let's do 12 bucks") and the republicans go nah gently caress you, you gotta give us what we want. oops e: King Vidiot posted:Wasn't the ACA originally a Republican idea anyways? That's what I heard, it's just funny that if that were true then that means the Republicans will fight against their own self interests as long as they're being contrarian to a Democrat. cant argue with results
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Knight posted:Insurance companies started putting out statements months ago that if the ACA is repealed, their premiums will not drop. Ahaha, of course they would. They've got a sweet deal right now. Their competition is getting ground into the dirt and the government has a gun to everyone's head to compel them to buy insurance. Obamacare was designed to destroy competition, leaving only the juggernaut insurance companies, who once they have the market cornered, have absolute control over pricing.
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thathonkey posted:heh heh, one month later and trump is still president. libtards lose again !! Nice meltdown.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkqn6wsrUfs This is the best representation of Obamacare
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King Vidiot posted:Wasn't the ACA originally a Republican idea anyways? That's what I heard, it's just funny that if that were true then that means the Republicans will fight against their own self interests as long as they're being contrarian to a Democrat. newt stumped for it in the 90s, the heritage foundation wrote policy papers for it then, both as a response to the democrat single-payer desire. mitt romney implemented it in massachusetts. it's literally just because obama did it.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Ahaha, of course they would. They've got a sweet deal right now. Their competition is getting ground into the dirt and the government has a gun to everyone's head to compel them to buy insurance. There wasnt really much competition before but yeah obamacare was poo poo. Unfortunately the entire foundation of the health insurance industry is to try not to pay out so the customer dies so this is something that should be socialized. Not gonna happen with ryan/trump tho.
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i mean, spunky is the perfect example of someone who, if they did/could vote, would have voted republican out of spite for the thing that republicans did and created the plan for in the first place the strategy works
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Kjoery posted:you know, back when i was a young, naive spawnling, i believed that the internet would greatly help put an end to superstition and falsehoods, and bring about a new era of cool science facts. It did for a while, the problem was that in the past couple of years the Right realized they needed to hip up their image so they started flooding message boards and creating websites just spewing the dumbest poo poo that catered to insecure white people. They stole Pepe, made it cool and good to hate women and black people and Mexicans, then started fabricating bullshit out of their asses and saying it was true and the actual news was false. So now, Old Media is now more factual and correct than mainstream internet "news". I mean, you can still find good information online but you kind of have to sift through the garbage now.
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King Vidiot posted:So now, Old Media is now more factual and correct than mainstream internet "news". I mean, you can still find good information online but you kind of have to sift through the garbage now. vvvv heh, you're pretty good kid 
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So Obama rammed through a Republican plan and disguised it as socialism? Sounds like what I was saying before, there is only 1 political party in America
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no it's that we have a far right party and a center-right party.
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Kjoery posted:i mean, spunky is the perfect example of someone who, if they did/could vote, would have voted republican out of spite for the thing that republicans did and created the plan for in the first place
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Kjoery posted:one thing to note about ACA is that it needed republican support in order to get through (im pretty sure?). is this the reason why they picked Mitt Romney's plan to implement federally? i dont goddamn know, maybe obama was indeed a corporate shill, or maybe he figured that bipartisanship would be the only way to push it through (which has turned out to be a political move that backfired bigly - it gave republicans tonnes of leverage to stand up against the bill they themselves passed) So no joke seriouspost: "Obamacare" is 100% the Republican plan that they test fired with governor Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. It didn't "need Republican support" - it IS the Republican plan. So Republicans put together a health care plan, implemented it, and when the Democratic Prez took it over they said eff you and turned against it. Democrats are now fighting for a Republican health care plan that was designed to stuff the pockets of insurers by forcing all Americans to take for-profit insurance. Republicans are now against their own health care plan, just to spite the Democrats, who are helping their plan. Republicans have gotten their cake and eaten it too. Democrats are supporting Republican policy while Republicans pretend their policy was NOT written by them, ergo they can rally their base around a new idea, which will just be their same idea version 2. (pops more crazy pills) No seriously, that's entirely true. The Affordable Care Act is the Republican plan, and the Democrats are the ones fighting for it. That's your "two-party" system. The scariest part about this is all the #woke retards who think they just need to support the Democrats harder and things will get better- even though the Democrats are only fighting to implement Republican policy to begin with.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:So Obama rammed through a Republican plan and disguised it as socialism? Sounds like what I was saying before, there is only 1 political party in America this makes you look very ignorant and naive just so you know.
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Knight posted:"Both parties are exactly the same!" <votes straight-ticket Republican> "I'm an independent" *votes straight ticket Republican in every election* *makes 25 grand a year, dies of treatable labor related illness at 49* *has 4 retarded kids that identify as independent, vote straight ticket Republican*
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Wendigee posted:this makes you look very ignorant and naive just so you know. Please Explain. Also I voted for loving Al Gore because I knew Bush would be a nightmare even though it turned out Al Gore is a lunatic idiot too
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revdrkevind posted:[neat information] Wendigee posted:this makes you look very ignorant and naive just so you know.
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thathonkey posted:heh heh, one month later and trump is still president. libtards lose again !! i sit at my computer all day every day, collecting welfare, smoking weed and reciting marx, there is also one thing i do...i continually refresh seven different web pages to see if trump has been impeached yet. your welcome
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Kjoery posted:thanks for infodump, i was a standing on a bit shakey grounds, american politics is more of a hobby for me (i try my best to care more about canadian issues whenever possible (its a bit hard right now)) As a further note, the ACA passed with zero Republican votes through the finest of Congressional Calvin ball rules chicanery. Also, it's an oversimplification that Republicans said gently caress you to the bill due to Obama supporting it. They were also really mad over abortion funding and not providing religious exceptions for it. Then they got insanely really mad that Obama had passed it without them or providing any of the fine print concessions they wanted.
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Moridin920 posted:lmao these people are more deranged than dale dribble Moridin920 posted:the rich will never allow you to vote away their wealth and power You just said the same thing
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