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crime weed
Nov 9, 2009

SickZip posted:

Also, it's an oversimplification that Republicans said gently caress you to the bill due to Obama supporting it. They were also really mad over abortion funding and not providing religious exceptions for it. Then they got insanely really mad that Obama had passed it without them or providing any of the fine print concessions they wanted.
they wanted concessions on their own plan... do you know what they were? would they have made their plan even worse than first drafted?

e: i guess this question could spiral into the horrible depths of specific political policy from whose bowels no one returns (also, sorry to the republicans here that i assumed they were negative concessions, showin' some bias there)

crime weed fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Feb 20, 2017

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Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

You just said the same thing

No I didn't.

All I said was the rich will never allow you to really shake up the capitalist system keeping them rich; at best you can get some mild social reforms like more rights for gay people and stuff but the Dems are just as corporatist as the GOP is at the end of the day. That's what you basically said, too, isn't it?

This person is jibbering on about some global socialist Illuminati order that Trump's election defeated.

TheIllestVillain
Dec 27, 2011

Sal, Wyoming's not a country
lol imagine not having free healthcare

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
a liberal marxist nazi



the political school of "just throw words together gently caress it"

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

Moridin920 posted:

No I didn't.

All I said was the rich will never allow you to really shake up the capitalist system keeping them rich; at best you can get some mild social reforms like more rights for gay people and stuff but the Dems are just as corporatist as the GOP is at the end of the day. That's what you basically said, too, isn't it?

This person is jibbering on about some global socialist Illuminati order that Trump's election defeated.

The globlaists socialist illumanti is just a theatrical way of saying

"Corporate interests rule Earth"

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Moridin920 posted:

a liberal marxist nazi



the political school of "just throw words together gently caress it"

Good point!

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

The globlaists socialist illumanti is just a theatrical way of saying

"Corporate interests rule Earth"

Nope, the people posting where I got this screenshot literally believe in Illuminati satanists killing babies and Pizzagate being real.

They all voted Trump

a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
I'm the Confederate flag avatar.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

The globlaists socialist illumanti is just a theatrical way of saying

"Corporate interests rule Earth"

No I think that dude is just nuts my friend although I can see where you're coming from.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Moridin920 posted:

the rich will never allow you to vote away their wealth and power

They give the underclass (being everybody basically, anybody who is worth less than a billion) just enough illusion of power that they're mostly happy. It's when the underclass really starts pushing that you see how much power they really have.

Even if Bernie won, all that really progressive stuff that he talked about would not get passed if it took one single cent away from the super rich.


Nah guys, I'm pretty sure the real Nazis are still actual Nazis.

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Moridin920 posted:

lmao these people are more deranged than dale dribble

It's Dale Gribble jfc

Free Cheese
Sep 16, 2005
Come on, it's free
Buglord

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

I'm amazed at how much people that hate Trump as so obsessed with him. Like there's people on the forums that wake up every day wanting to see what Trump did, even though they hate him I guess?. Most Trump supporters want to get back to their lives, and just get on with their jobs and families but Trump's got a bunch of stalkers now or something

He's the prez, like the most powerful hombre in the world, maybe thats why people want to see what hes doing drat you dumb

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Besides I was just kind of being gimmicky, I don't really think it is impossible to democratically get some poo poo done. Just sucks in the USA at the moment because both parties are poo poo.

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

It's Dale Gribble jfc

woops lol

in my defense it isn't even 9am where i am yet

crime weed
Nov 9, 2009

King Vidiot posted:

They give the underclass (being everybody basically, anybody who is worth less than a billion) just enough illusion of power that they're mostly happy. It's when the underclass really starts pushing that you see how much power they really have.

Even if Bernie won, all that really progressive stuff that he talked about would not get passed if it took one single cent away from the super rich.
yeah, bernie would just have been one man, and unlike trump, he probably wouldn't have been willing to political powerplay handshake everyone in a nonstop stream of veritably false statements (the house & senate being on trumps side probably helps too)

most likely he would've just slowly died on the inside as he tried to achieve bipartizanship in the house & senate, with snowballs being thrown at him from all directions and fox news criticizing him for not being able to get anything done

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

I'm amazed at how much people that hate Trump as so obsessed with him. Like there's people on the forums that wake up every day wanting to see what Trump did, even though they hate him I guess?. Most Trump supporters want to get back to their lives, and just get on with their jobs and families but Trump's got a bunch of stalkers now or something

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Moridin920 posted:

dale dribble

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw7poSD0adg

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

I'm amazed at how much people that hate Trump as so obsessed with him. Like there's people on the forums that wake up every day wanting to see what Trump did, even though they hate him I guess?. Most Trump supporters want to get back to their lives, and just get on with their jobs and families but Trump's got a bunch of stalkers now or something

Idk man his daily Tweets are pretty goddamn funny.

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
i like to imagine they pronounce it like "moose-lims" for some reason

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

Moridin920 posted:

Idk man his daily Tweets are pretty goddamn funny.

Easy D! He's ridiculous, I completely agree.

Justin Credible
Aug 27, 2003

happy cat



Thanks for the resurfaced childhood memory.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Well, it's not full of one of those things at least.

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

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Nap Ghost
This guy is one of the admin:

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
Months survived of the Trump Times™: 1

Also I'm trying to make obtuse mario party metaphors but I cannot and that makes me sad :saddowns:

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

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Nap Ghost

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
"this socialist NWO is run by billionaires and financed by banks!"


oh word?

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



ASK ME ABOUT
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every citizen should be a soldier. grandma. baby Cletus. Other baby Cletus.

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost
At least I understand better some of the people who voted for Trump.

They just want to protect their country from nazis and pedophiles (and muslims).

SickZip
Jul 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Kjoery posted:

they wanted concessions on their own plan... do you know what they were? would they have made their plan even worse than first drafted?

e: i guess this question could spiral into the horrible depths of specific political policy from whose bowels no one returns (also, sorry to the republicans here that i assumed they were negative concessions, showin' some bias there)

The broad idea is theirs but it wasn't exactly their plan and it had a number of details and specifications they didn't want.

-the expansion of Medicare where the feds would cover it almost entirely at first and then scale back. republicans viewed this as taking a dump on the states and a sneak attack on them in future, particularly state, elections (correctly).
-it was too pro-choice and pro-contraception for the social conservatives
-the tax credits and subsidies created a different pattern of wealth transfer from what they wanted. the republicans plan was a method of subsidizing the old with the young and healthy paying. the democrats passed a plan that subsidized the old AND the poor with the young, healthy, and middle class bearing an even heavier burden.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

But all white babies should be killed...

SickZip
Jul 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
basically the ACA or an ACA-like was the only sort of fix that would work without telling the insurance industry to go gently caress itself and no one in government will do that. so both parties, as institutions, wanted it or something broadly similar. the anger and disagreement was over the specifications: who would bear the costs, who would benefit most, and did it pay lip-service to their brand/ideology

the middle class largely hated it for good cause, because they were getting shafted by it. democrats wouldn't gently caress the rich or the insurance industry so the middle class got to pay. the Republican alternative is essentially to lower the cost by reducing the benefits to the poor and so gently caress the middle class slightly less

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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SickZip posted:

The broad idea is theirs but it wasn't exactly their plan and it had a number of details and specifications they didn't want.

-the expansion of Medicare where the feds would cover it almost entirely at first and then scale back. republicans viewed this as taking a dump on the states and a sneak attack on them in future, particularly state, elections (correctly).
-it was too pro-choice and pro-contraception for the social conservatives
-the tax credits and subsidies created a different pattern of wealth transfer from what they wanted. the republicans plan was a method of subsidizing the old with the young and healthy paying. the democrats passed a plan that subsidized the old AND the poor with the young, healthy, and middle class bearing an even heavier burden.

lol "social conservatives."

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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one of the grossest euphemisms of our time. that and "pony play."

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

lol this person has lost his mind

Neutrino
Mar 8, 2006

Fallen Rib
My forefathers fought and died to keep America free of immigrants. Unfortunately by that time the Europeans were outgunning them and they lost this great country. At least I am making good money selling "Forcefully Deport ALL Immigrants Out of America" t-shirts at $30 a pop so I can't complain.

a new study bible!
Feb 2, 2009



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What happens when the Jews become nazis?

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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Neutrino posted:

My forefathers fought and died to keep America free of immigrants. Unfortunately by that time the Europeans were outgunning them and they lost this great country. At least I am making good money selling "Forcefully Deport ALL Immigrants Out of America" t-shirts at $30 a pop so I can't complain.

eat fresh

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

a new study bible! posted:

What happens when the Jews become nazis?

they try to kill all Palestinians to get some lebensraum

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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014



this guy doesn't realize the comedian was a bad guy.

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