JackMack posted:

I was going to joke about whether " taking the knot" was a sex thing but Google has informed me it is. There's nothing like crowing about your wargaming credentials and then threatening rape. I don't think we do enough of it in this thread.

JackMack posted:

I was going to joke about whether " taking the knot" was a sex thing but Google has informed me it is. There's nothing like crowing about your wargaming credentials and then threatening rape. I don't think we do enough of it in this thread.

Safety Factor posted:

Did you... did you think he was being serious?

TTerrible posted:

JackMack posted:

Is this Thousand Son about to take the knot? I understand space wolves now.

BULBASAUR posted:

What the gently caress did you just loving say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class and I have 20 years of war gaming experience I can pull individual examples from if I needed to. Experience with units of relative abilities, costs, and usages. They are just another example in a long line of duplication of a roles. You are nothing and you know nothing. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of wolfen and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare to take the knot, pup.

panascope posted:

drat, locked into the Wolves for 30 years, that's impressive.

ThNextGreenLantern posted:

My first Legion-specific model is almost done!



.....it's not going to end up a whole lot different when it's done, probably just based and cleaned up a little.

Safety Factor posted:

Honestly lore veterans like myself and alot of others around here don't like the crusade era Space Wolves and Russ. Everything cool about Russ is done better with Angron. And everything cool about the Fenryka is done better with the World Eaters.
The thing is however, on the table top, every unit the Wolves have does its job of CQCing far better than the World Eaters version. The Fenryka simply appeal more to the targe audience of teens, and thus get better rules.

Safety Factor posted:

Honestly lore veterans like myself and alot of others around here don't like the crusade era Space Wolves and Russ. Everything cool about Russ is done better with Angron. And everything cool about the Fenryka is done better with the World Eaters.
The thing is however, on the table top, every unit the Wolves have does its job of CQCing far better than the World Eaters version. The Fenryka simply appeal more to the targe audience of teens, and thus get better rules.

Cythereal posted:

Prospero Burns is a good book. Sure, it's The Thirteenth Warrior in space, but it got me liking the Crusade-era Wolves.

tallkidwithglasses posted:

Yesterday was the first north wa v south wa ham slam! It was cool and good. Me and esteemed forums poster and confirmed Russian sleeper agent BULBASAUR ventured from Seattle to scenic Longview to silence incessant poo poo talkers hixson, panascope and stanyer. Here's what I took for game 1:


2250 of Ravenwing- a praetor, a chaplain and an apothecary in a unit of 5 plasma bikers, 5 jetbikes with acid bolters, vets in a storm eagle with an apothecary, pfist terminators in a Caestus, and a javelin. Rad and stasis combo ahoy. Our heroes, the most loyalist of them all:


My ally BULBASAUR took seekers in a proteus, some breachers and tacs on foot, havocs in a bunker (more on bunkers in game 2), and then some dark mechanicum robits and a magos.

Stanyer channeled his spirit wolf and took 20 gray slayers with Bjorn in a Spartan and a blob on foot. Hixson took a Damocles rhino, some deep striking sekhmets with a praetor, a dodo dread and a javelin. Warmaster panascope took some combi weapon veterans, a pair of contemptors, a few small militia units, an AA emplacement and a leman Russ. Lots of maneuverability and striking power.

Deployment:





My bikes got to infiltrate thanks to a warlord trait so I pushed them forward. Stanyer awuuuuu'd, immobilized his Spartan, then charged forward with his slayers. I sniped with acid bikes.


The bikes got overwhelmed:


My javelin came in and blew up the damocles:


This proved somewhat crucial. Hixson was forced to scatter his deep striking terminators and proceeded to teleport them and the praetor into a piece of scenery. It ruled incredibly hard. After Stanyers troops finished eating my jetbikes, I charged in with my bike squad.


Bjorn passed his invulnerable save on my murderous strike, and somehow the squad passed a break test on 4ld to hang in long enough for his second squad to come in. Bjorn's powerfist popped my praetor and the slayers proceeded to reenact Benghazi against the iron warriors holding our side of the table.


Panascopes outflanking force appeared threatening...


But my cavalry arrived.


I pushed on and attacked their table edge while stanyer rolled up ours. I ended up clearing out their side of the field, but the sacrificial offering on the militias ended up denying us the attrition we needed to even up the score. South wins the first game by 2 VPs but I'm gonna take some credit for the carry of team north.


We attempted to sober up a little, panascope pulled off an Irish goodbye and vanished, leaving his models behind. Game 2 was me and BULBASAUR vs hixson and stanyer, 2k a side. My list:



Pride of the legion. Terminators and a praetor in a spartan, vets with a couple melta guns in a rhino with a pintle melta, a javelin, a leviathan dread and the death bunker. Bunker with ammo dumps, a wall and a void shield holding 8 acid heavy bolter marines with an auspex apothecary. BULBASAUR also took a bunker (with havocs), a leviathan dread, a vindicator, Anarchis Scoria in a blob of robits, and some ....other stuff? I'd been drinking all day, sue me.

Hixson took a big blob of sekhmet, marines with Ahriman, a medusa, a sicaran venator, and combi plas veterans. Stanyer took ten million grey slayers, Leman Russ, and a Spartan.








The game started with BULBASAURs vigilator blowing up Hixson's medusa, and then my bunker proceeded to start doing some serious work.



I forced 22 armor saves on the sekhmets my first turn, and killed about half a gray slayers blob on the second, causing them to fall back. Hixson's marines cast magical bullshit and plasma'd Scoria and his bodyguard to death in a turn of shooting which was dumb, then the wolves and thousand sons cleared out of my bunkers 36" death bubble while my leviathan punched out the remaining sekhmet. My javelin and veterans also outflanked and killed the venator:





Mine and stanyers Spartans had a Mexican standoff in the middle of the battlefield, but finally on the last turn the Great Doge himself busted out and swarmed over the defenses:


Alas, he wasn't able to do enough at the end and the northern team took a victory on scenario- everything was contested and we had the most units on the table, so we ended up winning 1-0 on VPs.

So I guess the first north vs south fest was a draw. It was a lot of fun and I drank a bunch. 30k is great.

BULBASAUR posted:

claw out a win

Mango Polo posted:

Those LensFX effects will never not be hilarious. Well done, an inspiring battle.

Safety Factor posted:

Two unrelated questions:
1. How does Tank Hunter interact with Rending? Would it only allow re-rolls of the initial dice when fishing for 6's or could you also re-roll the additional D3?

2. Does anyone here have a Xiphon? How is it? Am I an idiot for wanting one? (This won't stop me from buying one)

MasterSlowPoke posted:

For tank hunters, you have to reroll the whole roll, so you'd need to get another six.

Drake_263 posted:

I just got myself a Xiphon and the kit goes easily and beautifully together, it's like fourteen parts plus the pilot. It's surprisingly weighty for its size and I love the aesthetics of it - even when it's parked on a landing pad or sitting on the table, it looks like it wants to be going fast. It looks like an Eagle MKII from Elite: Dangerous and I love it since the Eagle is one of my favorite ships to fly. I just primed mine and can't wait to paint it!

Rules-wise, I haven't yet tried it but it seems to me like a lot of the light fliers do in 30K; expensive glass cannon. Two twin-linked lascannons and the Xiphon Rotary Launcher give you a fairly obscene amount of firepower for a flier - we're talking 'better than a Land Raider' amount of firepower. You should be able to pretty much vaporize most other fliers with this thing, but AV11 all round and 2 hull points make it fairly fragile for 205p plus upgrades. I kinda wish it was 185p stock and you could buy Armored Ceramite for 20p, there's not really much sense in having ArmCer stock on an AV11 chassis. Having a 3+ jink save means you CAN take some punishment with lucky rolls, but of course jinking means you won't be shooting.

My feeling is it's OK balance-wise for 30K, seeing as all fliers and AA solutions are a little overcosted in 30K, but it's a little bit too expensive for what it really does in its 40K incarnation. I'll be more sure once I've actually played a couple of games with it.

Oh, and the Xiphon Rotary Launcher is probably one of the nastiest AA guns in the game. 60' S8 AP2 Heavy 2, Cluster Warhead, Terminal Tracking. Cluster Warhead says every time you roll a pen with the XRL, you actually roll three times on the Vehicle Damage Table and pick the biggest result. That translates to about 58% of a chance of rolling at least one Explodes! result per pen. Terminal Tracking makes your target reroll successful Jink and Cover saves against the XRL, so, yeah. Paired with not one but two TL-lascannons you're fairly likely to splatter at least one target a turn, as long as you can keep your suicide sled alive and shooting.