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Super Slash
Feb 20, 2006

You rang ?

Kitiara posted:

How does everyone manage putting their kids to bed so early? Between work, making dinner, feeding both kids (can take forever), allowing them dessert if they finish their dinner (takes even longer) and a bath + story, we have to rush to get it done by 8pm.

This is our new problem.

Normally I get home at 6:30pm and the childminder drops him off at 7:00pm (she's amazing and does all sorts of activities with him) so we'll run around the house for half hour and play, then it'll be bath and bed by 8:00pm. Or he comes home and generally pissy and grouchy which means he wants to go straight to bed, so we skip the play and bath then go straight to cleanup and brushing teeth.

More or less since last week he's decided he wanted to sometimes walk by himself, got even more teeth coming through (only has bottom incisors so far) he's also figured out how to crawl and also figure out how to pull himself up and climb on things which is generally awesome. However, as I write this it's now 9:35pm and I can hear him clapping and talking away occasionally shouting/crying for us. All this newfound stuff he's figured out how to do comes with a burst of extra energy, I think last night we went to go check on him and there he was stood up in the dark holding on to the crib wall.

Go the hell to sleep :gonk:

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KernelSlanders
May 27, 2013

Rogue operating systems on occasion spread lies and rumors about me.
I was trying to work this out today: what's the reciprocal relation to a nanny? If you're my daughter's nanny, my daughter is your what?

LogisticEarth
Mar 28, 2004

Someone once told me, "Time is a flat circle".

KernelSlanders posted:

I was trying to work this out today: what's the reciprocal relation to a nanny? If you're my daughter's nanny, my daughter is your what?

"Nanner"

Axiem
Oct 19, 2005

I want to leave my mind blank, but I'm terrified of what will happen if I do
"Charge" is the word that springs to mind

FunOne
Aug 20, 2000
I am a slimey vat of concentrated stupidity

Fun Shoe

Axiem posted:

"Charge" is the word that springs to mind

"Ward"?

Edit: in common usage that would require a court to mandate the care of the child

I'm going to second charge then.

FunOne fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Feb 16, 2017

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

FunOne posted:

"Ward"?

Edit: in common usage that would require a court to mandate the care of the child

I'm going to second charge then.

Ward brings Batman to mind (for the second time in last page or so, thanks to that awesome story from Alterian), Dick being Bruce's ward... who was also played by Burt Ward.

Hdip
Aug 21, 2002
If you have two nanny's then doesn't that make the child "boo boo"?

Sorry that's been in my head for a day now since reading the question.

lorddazron
Mar 31, 2011

foxatee posted:

We were the ones to reach out to the school counselor for her behavioral issues because we needed ideas on how to deal with her or redirect her. Maybe a behavioral specialist would be better. I can only assume we weren't the only parents who received that flyer in their kid's backpack.

It is a full day kindergarten. I don't think there are half day kindergartens around here. Unless it's a private school? But none of the public schools offer half day. The reason she's in this school is because many of her pre-school pals attend this school and we wanted to keep things familiar for her. She doesn't respond well to change.

Like many kids, she gets really grumpy when tired. She goes to bed at roughly the same time every night (830) and gets up at roughly the same time every morning (715-730). That includes weekends. I admit that I think her behavior is better on days in which we don't have to wake her. I don't know if she's hungry. She eats breakfast at home, and apparently will eat breakfast at school, as well. We used to give her bigger lunches, but she wouldn't finish them, so we scaled it back to half a sandwich, fruit, and chips/pretzels. She eats everything now.

I do know she doesn't like told to do. She doesn't respond well orders, but does better with requests or if you give her options. There are twenty kids in her class, so I know it's near impossible for the teacher to make special arrangements or anything for her. That many kids, you just need them to do things now and not in their own time. If she doesn't get along with someone (and there is one student, though it's not intentional or malevolent. Ames likes things quiet and this girl is the opposite), she's expected to just deal with it (we were told explicitly). Unfortunately, Ames 's way of dealing usually involves something physical.

They do several tests throughout pre-school and during kindergarten to assess whether or not your child is prepared and she's always passed, so I dunno.

Look into CMPA. Basically it's an allergy to the protein in dairy products (not the lactose!) which in certain cases, can also cause behavioural issues. My youngest suffers from it, and is basically completely dairy and soy free, but we also think our eldest (who's now five and has started school) also had issues with it. We were having some pretty severe behavioural issues (but the opposite way to you!), which just seemed to be getting worse and worse. She had night terrors, and could turn from pleasant and well behaved, to spawn of satan (along with biting and hitting!) in the blink of an eye. We cut all dairy from her diet, and switched to calcium supplements, along with calcium fortified alternative milk products for her development and she improved noticeably within a couple of weeks. When I say noticeably, I mean she's gone from having a night terror at least once a week, to once in three months, and although she's occasionally naughty (like any 5 year old) she has only acted out like above maybe once or twice in the same timeframe. It was becoming a weekly occurence before.

At first we thought it was a reaction to her new little sister, but when her sister was diagnosed with CMPA, I did some googling, as I had similar problems when I was a child. Turns out that dairy allergies can present in some cases as bad behaviour in older children.

Now I'm not saying it's the answer, but it could be, as this stuff isn't that rare, and getting it successfully diagnosed is an absolute nightmare. I'm in the UK, and the paediatric specialist in our area has a 6 month waiting period just to get in and see him. Most GP's and doctors haven't even heard of it.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





KernelSlanders posted:

I was trying to work this out today: what's the reciprocal relation to a nanny? If you're my daughter's nanny, my daughter is your what?

Charge

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.
The counting/math apps by onebillion have been super dope for our five year old, their design is simple but straightforward enough for the kid to mostly teach himself.

Is there anything comparable app-wise for learning to read? What are people's favorites? We have Metamorphabet, and have tried ABC Mouse, Homer, and Starfall each a little, not really convinced on any of those yet though.

Axiem
Oct 19, 2005

I want to leave my mind blank, but I'm terrified of what will happen if I do
The Endless series (Endless Alphabet et cetera) by Originator have been pretty good, in my opinion.

right to bear karma
Feb 20, 2001

There's a Dr. Fist here to see you.
I don't know much about apps, but in a related vein, some of the Leap Frog DVDs basically taught my 4 year old (now 5) to read.

n8r
Jul 3, 2003

I helped Lowtax become a cyborg and all I got was this lousy avatar
This cpma thing. Is there any science behind behavioral issues with it? I had horrible stuffy nose constantly when I was younger, and cutting out milk fixed it. I'm not finding anything talking about milk allergies affecting behavior.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Phew. Finally back from Tampere, the boys had their 2nd round of surgeries and everything went well. They sure made an impression at the ward as usual. It seemed a pretty quiet place until the kids livened it up a bit. Once they where off the IV they kept escaping and doing mischief and charming and playing with the nurses and other kids. David came running with a box of paper clips and two nurses chasing him, he'd just walked up and *yoink*. Think he just wanted them to chase him.

lorddazron
Mar 31, 2011

n8r posted:

This cpma thing. Is there any science behind behavioral issues with it? I had horrible stuffy nose constantly when I was younger, and cutting out milk fixed it. I'm not finding anything talking about milk allergies affecting behavior.

I can only go off my own personal experience as we've not had it officially diagnosed in our eldest.

I probably should explain better.

CMPA is an outright allergy which is why its easy to test for and diagnose. This is what my youngest has and has been officially diagnosed with. It is also something which is not permanent. When shes older we put her onto the "milk ladder" basically introducing small amounts of dairy until she is essentially no longer allergic. She is also soy free as well as the two protein strands are so similar, the body believes that a soy protein is the same as dairy.

The diary and behaviour thing is a lot more difficult as in my case my oldest daughter doesnt present physical symptoms. When you google it, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence, and enoigh people with similar issues to make me believe there is possibly a link. Its also not an allergy but rather an intolerance, and im sure if i looked more into it then I would find the hard evidence to back it up. I did also mention it to my daughters paedatrician (who specialises in allergies etc) and he said it is possible. Theres also quite a few websites listing dairy as being as bad as sugar and e-numbers for altering behaviour in children.

Again I am by no means an expert. All I am is a Dad with two daughters both of whom have issues with dairy, which when i put with my own issues when I was a kid, make me add 2 and 2 to get 4. My own evidence with the second point is that we cut dairy out for our eldest and within 4 weeks her behaviour massively improved.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
Anyone know how to explain to a three year old why all the dinosaurs are dead? He says he misses his "T-Rex friend".

TacoNight
Feb 18, 2011

Stop, hey, what's that sound?

sullat posted:

Anyone know how to explain to a three year old why all the dinosaurs are dead? He says he misses his "T-Rex friend".

If he just doesn't know what did it, you can explain about the meteor and then get a big foam ball and play extinction.

When my kid is bummed out by dinosaurs being extinct I tell her about how birds are basically dinosaurs, just not called that out of tradition. But any modern classification would put birds right in the middle of the dinosaur family tree! So really, some of them are still around.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

Maybe Senpai will finally notice me now that I've dropped :fivebux: on this snazzy av

sullat posted:

Anyone know how to explain to a three year old why all the dinosaurs are dead? He says he misses his "T-Rex friend".

Use it as a teaching moment about death, it's never too young to point out that mommy and daddy will be gone some day too :v:

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Kalenn Istarion posted:

Use it as a teaching moment about death, it's never too young to point out that mommy and daddy will be gone some day too :v:

Some kids are quite matter of fact about it. My husband was talking to our son about something - say fishing - and he said that he would teach him how to do it when he was grown up. So my kid just looks at him and says in a confused (but not at all upset) voice "but daddy when I'm grown up you'll be dead".

Tom Swift Jr.
Nov 4, 2008

Rurutia posted:

Lol you can't just drop something like this and just move on without expanding! I have done so much research on what toys I should get for my 6 month old. I want to follow Montessori principles, but the books are very preachy/conclusions from conjecture. So I kind of have been doing Montessori-lite.

Sorry! Got busy and didn't look at this for a while!

I do love a lot of the Montessori principles, but I find a lot of their toys are actually pretty finite. They are usually designed to teach a certain thing and have a right and wrong way to do them (they are self-correcting). They are good for learning that particular skill, but are otherwise limited. What I do love about Montessori is the emphasis on self-help skills and making things child-size or child-friendly. I also like the idea of giving kids real things of good quality. Kids do appreciate that. We incorporated that into our home by making toys easily accessible and organized in labeled bins. We made a learning tower for the kitchen, bought a keekaroo chair instead of a traditional high chair, have his clothes in low drawers separated by tops and bottoms so he can choose his own outfits, etc.

As for toys. You want to look for open-ended toys. Toys that are simple allow for more complicated play and more sophisticated use of imagination. Think of the best toy a kid could have--the humble cardboard box. Kids love it because it can be anything. They will spend hours playing with it. You don't want toys that do the play for them. A simple wooden toy barn and basic animals is better than an electronic plastic toy barn that does the sounds and imagining for them. Non-branded toys are better than branded. For example, plain trains vs. Thomas trains. When my kid pretends his blue train is Thomas and his green train is Percy, he is using more imagination and creativity than if he had the actual Thomas and Percy trains. It also invites him to imagine his trains differently. Sometimes his plays Thomas, sometimes he makes up his own little worlds. Branded toys and toy sets are popular and tend to limit creativity and imagination because they lead children to follow scripts. If I have a paw patrol play set I'm going to act out a paw patrol story. It's nice for getting kids started, but then they tend to stick to that script and are less likely to come up with their own stories and ideas. That limits their value. Ikea makes this great little play garage that looks like a simple structure and has very minimal imprinting. That thing has been a garage, a playground, a hospital, a police station and so much more. Because it is simple, it invites more creativity. Where you want more realistic things is in toys where they are mimicking mom and dad. Realistic/working cleaning tools in their size are a big hit. Same with cooking, baby dolls, and doctor kits and such. That play is more about understanding and making sense of real-life so realistic is better.

Ikea has great kids toys, Melissa and Doug stuff is great (although, some of their stuff is very gendered which I do not like). For plastic toys, I love the Green Toys brand. They are tough and good for indoor or outdoor play. Hape and Plan toys are great brands too. Some of these get pricey, but I've been able to buy most of these used. I just keep an ongoing list in my head of what types of toys I want and when I spot it, I buy it. We don't really get him much for birthday or christmas since we buy as we spot them instead. There are 2 big consignment sales a year near me that I go to and that's when/where I get a lot of things. The other nice thing about buying toys like these is that they grow with your child. The toys we have now will still appeal to him for years to come because they are just classic toys. Hope that helps!

Tom Swift Jr.
Nov 4, 2008

Kalenn Istarion posted:

We started him at the minimum age for our mountain's kids program, which is 3. The first year of it is basically 'daycare with skis so mom and dad can go play' but he's been on them for almost 4 years now (just turned 7).

Our other son just started this year and he's super cute



E: wear a helmet, you will die less

I've been thinking about trying it out, maybe next year. Although I grew up in an area where it was popular, I never got to go (too poor). Any advice for adults wanting to try skiing? Would it be better/easier to try skiing or snow boarding? I'm guessing, we adults should take a lesson(s) before taking the kiddo?

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

TacoNight posted:

If he just doesn't know what did it, you can explain about the meteor and then get a big foam ball and play extinction.

When my kid is bummed out by dinosaurs being extinct I tell her about how birds are basically dinosaurs, just not called that out of tradition. But any modern classification would put birds right in the middle of the dinosaur family tree! So really, some of them are still around.

Mostly don't want him to be scared about giant space rocks hitting earth. Death he understands somewhat, but catastrophes? Hard to say.

Tom Swift Jr.
Nov 4, 2008

foxatee posted:

I need help.
My daughter is 5, nearly 6, and in kindergarten. Before that she was full-time pre-school. Several times this school year she's been sent to the principal's office or sent home with notes regarding pushing or hitting or kicking other children. We've tried talking to her about it, explaining that it's wrong to hurt other people, and pointing out that she wouldn't like it if someone did that to her, right? This is an ongoing conversation and doesn't seem to be doing anything. We've taken things away as punishment. We've tried getting her to earn things back. We've tried a behavior chart where she gets stars for good behavior, and stars taken away for bad behavior. We don't spank. It doesn't make sense to tell her hitting is wrong, and then proceed to hit her. She's been seeing the school counselor for two or three months now. Today she was sent again to the office for pushing someone. Later she kicked a classmate.
If things go wrong, she throws a fit. If she's frustrated, she throws a fit. She argues constantly. She lies about stuff, even if you call her out on it, even if you loving saw her do it, she'll still lie and say she didn't.

What do I do? Because nothing seems to work. She doesn't care what we say or do. Half the time she doesn't listen; she just looks off and mumbles answers, or plays with her hands. Her room has been emptied of toys and she just shrugged it off.

I'm just so tired of this. I don't know what I did wrong. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

I don't think her behavior is too unusual. You mentioned in a later post that is the teacher's first year in kindergarten and that may be a huge factor. Kindergarten is still very much Early Childhood Education and requires a different approach than older grades. Still, that's where she is and so you need to find what can work for where you're stuck.

A few notes. You need to remove yourself as disciplinarians for the school day. That is the teacher's responsibility. When your child gets home she is far too removed time-wise from the incident for any discipline to really be effective. Clearly, it's not working and only making her feel she is being punished unfairly based on her reactions.

Behavior charts should only be used with positive reinforcement. Only reward good choices. Never take away something a child has earned. It makes them feel discouraged and undoes all of your hard work!

Consequences should be logical and make sense. Not controlling your emotions and hurting someone is completely unrelated to a child's toys. A logical consequence would be not being able to play with other children (losing recess time) if she is hurting during freetime or having to walk next to the teacher if she can't handle being in line. A lot of this behavior management really falls to the teacher. You can always suggest these things.

So, what can you do? If the teacher is not using a behavior charting system, request that the teacher do so. They probably already have a system in place like red, yellow, and green cards. You can reinforce this at home with a reward system. Start out with an easy goal that she can feel success and want it, then move the goal as she gets better. For instance, if she always has red days, make her goal a yellow day. Then give a reward. Then make her goal two yellow days in a row. Etc. I would suggest the reward be something positive that she can do and that is immediate. Special one on one time, a favorite game, a favorite show, etc.

Since the main problem is self-regulation, work on that at home. Talk to her and come up with a strategy that she can use (like when you get frustrated count to ten or squeeze your fists). Then role-play and practice. Do this everyday until she starts to be able to use it on her own at school. And when she uses it on her own, praise the heck out of it!

I highly recommend this book https://www.amazon.com/Honey-Wrecked-Kids-Alyson-Schafer/dp/1443427780/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
It's an entertaining read and really helps parents understand what is causing problem behaviors and gives concrete tools to help kids do better. It's really good!

Good luck!

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

Maybe Senpai will finally notice me now that I've dropped :fivebux: on this snazzy av

Tom Swift Jr. posted:

I've been thinking about trying it out, maybe next year. Although I grew up in an area where it was popular, I never got to go (too poor). Any advice for adults wanting to try skiing? Would it be better/easier to try skiing or snow boarding? I'm guessing, we adults should take a lesson(s) before taking the kiddo?

I lived on a broke-rear end farm as a kid, my first time skiing was on a school trip in my late teens and then not again until I made enough money in university to pay for myself.

Have you played hockey or skated at all? There's a lot of crossover. Skiing is also a more natural way of facing down the hill but it comes down to preference. Boarding can be a bit harder to learn as an adult as you'll fall more.

I would say put yourself and your kids in lessons at the same time if you're all learning, or you can even do a lesson together as you'll probably be at a similar skill level.

If you like it consider buying your own boots sooner than later. Comfortable boots that fit right make all the difference and you can make the cost back in a few trips vs rentals. It also saves part of the headache of standing in line.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
None of your gear matters as much as your boots. Spend a decent amount to make sure your feet don't hurt. Even then, I guarantee your feet will loving hurt. Get your skis second hand, since you're learning. Poles will get bent. Steal some rental poles if you can.

If you decide to learn how to snowboard, get wrist guards knee pads and make yourself a butt pad. It will be the most painful thing you've ever learned.

On the other hand, mastering snowboarding is easy. Skiing is quite difficult to get good at.

Tom Swift Jr.
Nov 4, 2008

Thanks for the tips! I've only been ice skating here and there, but grew up roller skating/blading so i've always done well with ice skating. I would not have thought about the boots, but that makes complete sense. I'll have to do some research on that.

Hi_Bears
Mar 6, 2012

Tom Swift Jr. posted:

Info about toys

I loved this post, thank you! I hadn't thought about how the electronic toys that make tons of sounds and play music might actually be less entertaining in the long run (in the short run they seem so much more captivating than plain toys without bells and whistles). My 1 year old's favorite toy right now is the wooden salt and pepper shaker from his play kitchen - he marches them around the house, stacks them on things, tosses them into baskets, etc. I have no idea what he's imagining them as, but it's super adorable.

I was looking at the website of a local Montessori school and found it totally offputting. It just sounded so patronizing like they are so much better than play-based schools and if you let your child play too much you'll ruin them for life and they'll be forever insecure and incompetent. I know people love Montessori though so what am I missing?

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

Maybe Senpai will finally notice me now that I've dropped :fivebux: on this snazzy av

Tom Swift Jr. posted:

Thanks for the tips! I've only been ice skating here and there, but grew up roller skating/blading so i've always done well with ice skating. I would not have thought about the boots, but that makes complete sense. I'll have to do some research on that.

It's like skates, it's your direct contact with the surface - you know how if you get lovely skates you get hot spots that turn into blisters or bunions? Bad ski boots will do that too except worse because you want them to be as tight as you can tolerate. Loose boots mean your feet slide around which means you have no control and you will have a bad time.

The main difference I found as a skater who learned to ski a bit later in life is that turning feels a bit weird to get started - skis naturally curve the opposite way to a skate blade - but you also don't bite as hard as skates so side slipping is totally ok for controlled turns until you learn how to use your edges. You also want to be far more forward over your feet than feels natural to a skater.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
I played a shitload of street hockey as a kid. Skiing is a lot like rollerblading but you wipe out much harder if you dont pay attention to keeping your skis together.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

Maybe Senpai will finally notice me now that I've dropped :fivebux: on this snazzy av

namaste faggots posted:

I played a shitload of street hockey as a kid. Skiing is a lot like rollerblading but you wipe out much harder if you dont pay attention to keeping your skis together.

On the other hand it's snow rather than pavement

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
It's impossible to cross your Rollerblades.

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

Hi_Bears posted:

I loved this post, thank you! I hadn't thought about how the electronic toys that make tons of sounds and play music might actually be less entertaining in the long run (in the short run they seem so much more captivating than plain toys without bells and whistles). My 1 year old's favorite toy right now is the wooden salt and pepper shaker from his play kitchen - he marches them around the house, stacks them on things, tosses them into baskets, etc. I have no idea what he's imagining them as, but it's super adorable.

I was looking at the website of a local Montessori school and found it totally offputting. It just sounded so patronizing like they are so much better than play-based schools and if you let your child play too much you'll ruin them for life and they'll be forever insecure and incompetent. I know people love Montessori though so what am I missing?

You can look at waldorf if you don't want montessori, but the whole idea is that your kid doesn't really need electronics early on and you'll find they're not even interested if it's not pushed on them. Play is what kids do. Play is the one thing kids should be encouraged to do all the time. Maybe the specific school was weird?

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
My sons favorite toy right now (he is 2, just turned) are unit blocks and "trains" (anything with wheels where the pieces connect together). A few of our trains are powered by a remote, but I dont think the electronics there is a big deal.

He also loves musical instruments so long as he has someone to play with, and snow, and things he can jump off and into like high surfaces and bean bags..

We have a kid table for him to play with his stuff on, crawl on, jump off

Most of his time not spent building buildings and roads and stuff is spent begging me to chase him around or to walk him on the ceiling.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
But yeah unit blocks are something I highly recommend for all codes. Way better than megablocks or whatever, as a kid i still played eith them for a decade

Tom Swift Jr.
Nov 4, 2008

GlyphGryph posted:

My sons favorite toy right now (he is 2, just turned) are unit blocks and "trains" (anything with wheels where the pieces connect together). A few of our trains are powered by a remote, but I dont think the electronics there is a big deal.

He also loves musical instruments so long as he has someone to play with, and snow, and things he can jump off and into like high surfaces and bean bags..

We have a kid table for him to play with his stuff on, crawl on, jump off

Most of his time not spent building buildings and roads and stuff is spent begging me to chase him around or to walk him on the ceiling.

Yes to all of this! These are my son's (almost 3) favorites too. Unit blocks are a must. Kids learn a lot of math concepts when playing with unit blocks and they are just great fun. For instruments, I find more realistic instruments are the best. Kids appreciate the real sounds and feels and their play leads to learning how to actually play an instrument later on.

Another thing to consider is buying toys that cover diverse learning domains. This is not so much an issue if your child is in childcare and already has exposure to a wide variety of play things, but as a stay at home parent, I feel it's important to give my kiddo exposure to those things at home. Dress-up, science and math exploration toys, writing/drawing, sensory, and art are all areas that might not be thought of in the home. One thing high on my list to get my son for his birthday is a balance/scale. He loves binoculars right now. A magnifying glass and kid tweezers, giant magnet. I found little test tubes at the dollar tree that he loves to play with. Bear counters are great too. We find stuff outside and around the house to explore and do science with. For sensory play, an under the bed storage bin is perfect. Fill it with cotton balls, rice, sand, water, beans, etc. and different containers to pour and fill and funnels. Learning Resources is a good brand for some of the science/math toys. A lot of their stuff is focused on specific skills and is less open-ended, but they also have the little kid science tools and bear counters and such. I have little shoe boxes with different things in them, like beads and pipe cleaners. Don't be afraid to think outside of the box. Some of the best toys are random objects like an empty coffee can or a spare board to use as a ramp. As I typed this, my son built a tower out of toilet paper. Also, I'm okay with some electronic toys, but I try to look at what value they bring. I can't wait until my kid is old enough to use the snap circuits set I have.

I missed the discussion on coding. I'm starting to look for ways to introduce it to my kiddo. I haven't found a lot out there for the little ones just yet. Has anyone tried out the codeapillar? https://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-DKT39-Think-Learn-Code-a-pillar/dp/B01ASVD2L4

Tom Swift Jr.
Nov 4, 2008

Hi_Bears posted:

I know people love Montessori though so what am I missing?

So, I learned about Montessori in my Undergrad program and was doing some research into various schooling options recently. Based on best practices, Montessori gets a lot of things right, but it also gets some things wrong. A lot of people (including myself) like the emphasis on self-help skills, the emphasis on learning peace and empathy, the child-led approach (the kids are free to choose to play with whatever they want), and the idea of respecting the child. The good news, is that these are best practices and are generally done in any good program these days. I will say, that Montessori teachers are generally well-trained and so there may be more consistency in getting a caregiver who really knows their stuff in these areas. Montessori classrooms seem more peaceful and calm, with the kids busy at work (highly engaged) and that appeals to parents as well. When I started looking into programs for my kid (he's almost 3 and I'm beginning to figure out what I want to do for his education), I discovered that there are two accrediting agencies for Montessori and although they started from the same place, they diverged and so schools associated with one or the other can be quite different. One is much more rigid and if you go online and see parents complaining about their montessori experiences, it is usually that kind. The other one is the one that most people rave about. The more I looked into Montessori, I decided it just isn't what I think is best. It gets academic results, which is another reason why it's popular, but I don't think it follows best practices to get there. I was working with a couple of kids who were attending a really good Montessori school and the work they were bringing home had a lot of bad or outdated teaching practices. Do I think kids will do well in their program? Sure. I think they get a lot of very good social/emotional skills from the program that will serve them very well in life, but I think the learning side of things is not done the best and so I'd rather find a program that uses best practices for both domains.

I also looked into Waldorf and while I loved a lot of aspects of Waldorf, I found there was definitely some iffy stuff behind it once you get really into it. The more I learned about it's roots and teachings, the more I found some questionable practices that I just was not comfortable with. It's a drink the koolaid situation.

I'm not sure what we'll do. I found an amazing play school that I would love for him to attend when he's 4 or 5. After that, we'll probably do public school (I'm a big believer, but I also understand its limits) and see how he does. If the environment doesn't work for him, then I'll probably home school him a bit. His dad and uncles all had problems in school because they were all gifted and went the route of this is easy and stupid, I'm not doing it. I was the gifted kid who was the perfect student, but I was not nearly challenged enough even with all of the extra gifted programming I did. Who knows where he will land? I am trying not to make any assumptions about what path he will take.

n8r
Jul 3, 2003

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Entire family thinks they are / were too smart for school. Sounds like a fun bunch.

Alterian
Jan 28, 2003

We could never afford private school or to homeschool so we sold our house and are renting in a really great public school district.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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n8r posted:

Entire family thinks they are / were too smart for school. Sounds like a fun bunch.

And you sound like an rear end in a top hat.

Keeping smart kids engaged in a public school setting is both important and difficult, especially for teachers who have to deal with a huge spectrum of ability and are often in classrooms with too many kids. I'm not saying that the kids' attitudes aren't problematic in that situation but seeing smart kids go badly off the rails because their school wasn't able to keep them engaged is tragic.

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Dec 12, 2009

Shall we dance?

His Divine Shadow posted:

Phew. Finally back from Tampere, the boys had their 2nd round of surgeries and everything went well. They sure made an impression at the ward as usual. It seemed a pretty quiet place until the kids livened it up a bit. Once they where off the IV they kept escaping and doing mischief and charming and playing with the nurses and other kids. David came running with a box of paper clips and two nurses chasing him, he'd just walked up and *yoink*. Think he just wanted them to chase him.



Was it pollicization again for both? I had a nosy through your post history out of interest and you mentioned a long time ago that one of the kids had a more functional thumb, did that not end up working out?

I'd be really interested to see pictures of their healed thumbs from the first procedure. How do they get on? Will it be a big adjustment for them once they're healed from this surgery?

They sound like charmers :3:

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