Baloogan posted:

i really hope alex jones shows up in the next james bong

A Pale Horse posted:

It's pretty funny that with all the horrible poo poo Milo has said and done his career is going to be mercifully killed for perhaps the most honest and least psychopathic thing he's said.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

That's why they carried him around on a palanquin.

Jose posted:

i wonder how these people are feeling

Man Musk posted:

please don't use 'retarded' as a pejorative

Montasque posted:

https://twitter.com/JimNorton/status/833841454862725122

Dirk Pitt posted:

I love people saying, but Lena Dunham!!!!

mysterious frankie posted:

Does anyone besides her parents and people who hate her actually pay attention to Lena Dunham anymore?

Man Musk posted:

please don't use 'retarded' as a pejorative

Bushiz posted:

There's a subset of Hillary loyalists who think she is the feminist voice of a generation.

Bushiz posted:

There's a subset of Hillary loyalists who think she is the feminist voice of a generation.

quote:

The chairman of the American Conservative Union, the group that hosts the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), said that journalist and provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos had been disinvited from this year’s conference after resurfaced video of him speaking approvingly of pedophilia “broke through some very important boundaries.”

Matt Schlapp told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Tuesday that while he had invited Yiannopoulos to address CPAC because he was “a big voice in our movement,” the recently resurfaced video had proven a controversy too far.

“We are OK with having controversy on the stage at CPAC. We don't endorse everything every speaker says at CPAC. As a matter of fact, since I've been chairman, we've tried to take the controversies, especially those amongst conservatives, and put them on our stage,” he said. “But there are boundaries. And over the weekend I was made aware of these comments and it just broke through very important boundaries, and we felt like the CPAC stage was not an appropriate place for this any longer.”

In video resurfaced over the weekend by a Twitter account called @ReaganBattalion, Milo is seen referencing the "arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent" and suggesting that relationships between 13-year-olds and adults could occur "perfectly consensually."

"Morning Joe" panelist Rick Tyler asked Schlapp about Yiannopoulos’ conservative credentials. “He seems like an opportunist,” he said. “So how did he get invited in the first place?”

Schlapp responded by referencing the press Yiannopoulos had received after a large protest against him at the University of California at Berkeley.

“I made the decision,” Schlapp said. “He came to see me. He wanted to give some remarks about his experience on campus, where he is often shut down. There was so much press around his attempt to speak at Berkeley. We think what happens with these speech codes and chilling of free speech on campus is un-American. It's wrong. And he's brave to stand up in those situations.”

Host Joe Scarborough brought up accusations that Yiannopoulos had made anti-Semitic statements in the past. He asked if there wasn't someone else to make the case against “PC” campus speech codes.

Again, Schlapp referenced Yiannopoulos’ large following.

“Joe, it's a fair point. But the other point is that, whether we like it or not, he is a big voice in this movement,” Schlapp said. “And we believe that our attendees can handle it and make their own judgments on whether or not they think a speaker is saying what is accurate or being inaccurate or being hateful. I don't want to shield that kind of conversation from our attendees. As a matter of fact, a lot of attendees want to have these controversies before them and make their own choices.”

He added later: “The fact is he's got a voice that a lot of young people listen to. I would rather have our attendees hear it and make their own judgments than me censor them.”

DaveWoo posted:

The CPAC guy who originally booked Milo is still defending him:

quote:

“And we believe that our attendees can handle it and make their own judgments on whether or not they think a speaker is saying what is accurate or being inaccurate or being hateful. I don't want to shield that kind of conversation from our attendees. As a matter of fact, a lot of attendees want to have these controversies before them and make their own choices.”

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Consent? Teach the controversy.

zegermans posted:

Reminder that Rush Limbaugh went on a rant where he said "Liberals are fine with anything as long as you use the magic words 'I consent'"

it's like, uh, yeah?

They completely do not understand the concept of consent.

zegermans posted:

Reminder that Rush Limbaugh went on a rant where he said "Liberals are fine with anything as long as you use the magic words 'I consent'"

it's like, uh, yeah?

They completely do not understand the concept of consent.

wizard on a water slide posted:

it rules bc that's such a matter of fact description. of course that's what liberals think. that's literally what "liberalism" is, the belief that people should be able to do what they want as long as they aren't stepping on somebody else's rights.

it's actually amazing to try and imagine being a person who thinks consensual anal sex is equitable to rape or w/e

spacetoaster posted:

I thought liberalism was just being open to different ideas and some level of tolerance for ideas that you disagree with (which is why there are liberals on the right and left)?

Montasque posted:

spacetoaster posted:

I thought liberalism was just being open to different ideas and some level of tolerance for ideas that you disagree with (which is why there are liberals on the right and left)?

Bushiz posted:

I like the "but Roman Polanski!" thing more because I don't think they realize that if Roman Polanski ever set foot on American soil again he would immediately be put in prison until he died.

wizard on a water slide posted:

I'm confused by why you think we disagree.

what is tolerance if not "doing what you want and in turn allowing others to do what they want"?

A Pale Horse posted:

The Dunham situation isn't even that comparable because she actually did molest her sister while Milo was the one being molested, he just saw nothing wrong with it.

spacetoaster posted:

I thought liberalism was just being open to different ideas and some level of tolerance for ideas that you disagree with (which is why there are liberals on the right and left)?

Calibanibal posted:

it is with mixed feelings that i announce i will be publishing Milo's book Dangerous with an initial run of 13 copies, order yours today or dont

A Pale Horse posted:

Well that's because Polanski drugged and raped a 13 year old. The situations are completely not analogous or comparable. The Dunham situation isn't even that comparable because she actually did molest her sister while Milo was the one being molested, he just saw nothing wrong with it.

Honestly, thinking about it more I think its one of two things. Less likely I think this is just in line with Milo's unrequited love affair with with Catholic church. Before he was the alt-right provocateur poster boy he was a shy, recalcitrant journalist for a Catholic newspaper who went on news and panel shows in the UK to regurgitate and defend the Catholic position on social issues including being against gay marriage. In this case its a sort of stockholm syndrome where he's convinced himself that since it was done to him by a priest, it can't really be bad because the priest is the church and the church is good. I now live in a 98% Catholic country and I see this mentality all the time where whole parishes show up to priest's trials for sexual abuse and defend the priest, singing religious hymns and praying outside the courtroom, blaming the victims and calling for the immediate release of the priest despite overwhelming evidence against them.

The second and more likely in my opinion thing going on here is that Milo actually believes what he said because of his perception of his experience. My experience as a teen with a man was just a hook up but I can imagine "falling in love" with your abuser if its an ongoing relationship. When you're completely in the closet and additionally self-loathing (because of MIlo's faith) finding someone who knows the real you, not the mask you put on every day to try to pass, but the real honest to God you, it can feel amazing. I don't think non-queer people can really relate to this, but letting someone in on what you consider your darkest secret and having them validate you can seem like a miracle and I can easily imagine fixating on that person and letting them take advantage of you. Its sad in a way. Its why I think sexually repressive societies are actually a boon to pedophiles and rapists and other predators while sexually permissive ones make those things more difficult.