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Feb 20, 2017 22:33
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Check this out http://www.swedenwatch.com/ . The swedish media is covering up all the immigrant crime stories btw, that's why you don't see them. Is there a Finlandwatch for comparison? Or anything else for comparison? I also noticed there was stuff like a broken window or graffiti that counted as a crime on the map. Why? On siinä miehellä iso pää. Ja hienot viikset. Musta Hitler.
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Feb 20, 2017 23:22
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Do we know if Bruno is a closeted homosexual? Have we finally found the elusive Black Gay Hitler???
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Feb 20, 2017 23:24
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well to be honest he looks pretty gay.
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Feb 20, 2017 23:49
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Kemper Boyd posted:The interesting thing is how nämä asiat nyt koetaan. This doesn't really help your argument: http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9470881
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Feb 21, 2017 00:05
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Gortarius posted:well to be honest he looks pretty gay. Pistä näyttö päälle
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Feb 21, 2017 00:06
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HerraS posted:Pistä näyttö päälle gently caress... you got me. You got me good.
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Feb 21, 2017 00:32
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Gortarius posted:Is there a Finlandwatch for comparison? Or anything else for comparison? http://www.tilannehuone.fi/halytys.php
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Feb 21, 2017 06:11
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Woah hey I haven't seen any news about these except maybe like one or two?! MEDIA MANIPULATION WHO ARE ALL THESE IMMIGRANTS SETTING FIRES AND CRASHING THEIR CARS AND AND AND GETTING LOST IN FORESTS 
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Feb 21, 2017 12:31
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Double Bill posted:This doesn't really help your argument: http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9470881 So the fact that there was a police operation in a bad neighborhood proves that there are, in fact, bad neighborhoods that the police don't go into?
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Feb 21, 2017 12:37
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Not ligur, sorry if you didn't like me posting facts. Maybe he just doesn't like you in general.
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Feb 21, 2017 12:53
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Gortarius posted:Is there a Finlandwatch for comparison? Or anything else for comparison? Iso pää: pienet aivot, pieni pää: ei aivoja ollenkaan.
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Feb 21, 2017 12:54
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Ratpick posted:So the fact that there was a police operation in a bad neighborhood proves that there are, in fact, bad neighborhoods that the police don't go into? As far as I remember, the no-go rules apply to emergency services. As in you don't go without police escort unless there's lives in danger. Fire crews have been attacked, so going to put out car fires doesn't make sense since the damage has already been done.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:02
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Feb 21, 2017 16:44
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tästä tuli mieleen että yhtä muslimituttua motivoitiin lapsena siisteyteen tyyliin "jos et siivoa allah heittää kuuman kiven sun niskaan" tukeekohan koraani tätä?
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Feb 21, 2017 16:59
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brakeless posted:tästä tuli mieleen että yhtä muslimituttua motivoitiin lapsena siisteyteen tyyliin "jos et siivoa allah heittää kuuman kiven sun niskaan" Tämä teoria selittää Mecan. Kunnon muslimit kiertää paskarinkiä ja pilkkaa tätä siivotonta lasta.
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Feb 21, 2017 17:56
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brakeless posted:tästä tuli mieleen että yhtä muslimituttua motivoitiin lapsena siisteyteen tyyliin "jos et siivoa allah heittää kuuman kiven sun niskaan" Honestly knowing the Abrahamic God that sounds like a punishment intended to children if you are a messy adult he will just destroy your whole village and turn your grandmother into a salt statue
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Feb 21, 2017 18:29
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In non-religious homes it's: "nyt siivoat tai äitis saa taas mustan silmän"
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Feb 21, 2017 20:05
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Check this out http://www.swedenwatch.com/ . The swedish media is covering up all the immigrant crime stories btw, that's why you don't see them. No, they don't really anymore. Just follow more local news from Sweden? It used to happen all over EU and still does to some extent, yes. The case where migrants were harassing German women en masse was covered up for almost a week by officials for exampe and this was not by far an isolated case, and I actually got probated here for "trolling" the ScandiPol thread (I understood it would annoy them to no end) by posting their problems are leaking over here when Finnish media reported 8 "Swedish men" were arrested for an alleged gang-rape on a cruise ship. Except that they were all Somalis with a residence permit in Sweden for one reason or other, not Swedes. Saying that aloud was "racist", according to a mod. Or maybe not according to a mod but by the people who reported my post and the mod doesn't really care? So yes trying to cover or smooth things out still does happen online and on news networks. I don't know. Is it ok to claim 8 Mexican men were arrested for some heinous crime, when they were Australians instead, for example? I don't think so. But by an large, many mainstream media networks and especially local news ones tend to report who the perps were much more frequently these days. Thing is they didn't do that in the past if anyone has been following for the past 10 or 15 years, and doesn't the Swedish media still heavily pixate the faces of any migrants/foreigners who are suspected of a crime and never really mention their origins, but when it comes to ethnic Swedes or other Westerners, at least in the past, they even posted their faces and names online - even before any convictions. So no wonder some people online are convinced there is still a major cover up even though there isn't. Also when we are flooded with crime reports from certain suburbs in Sweden where the population are 80%+ migrants, it should not be that difficult to determine with some certainty who the suspects, usually rioters who assault the police or emergency crews, are. If there was a conspiracy they would not report at all. e: also I fully understand why and how people don't like other people posting news links about migrant criminals ("it might fuel the far-right!") if they personally think mass-immigration and multiculturalism are wonderful things and that right-wingers suck and should not have a forum to speak out. That is the nature of the internet. Have a different opinion and someone posts links suggesting otherwise? Just attack the person instead of his "facts" and don't change your mind is a normal modus operandi almost everywhere. From any political group which is pretty entrenched. It's just that I don't really understand - or rather appreciate - people being attacked for posting poo poo that is actually factual. Ligur fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 21:08
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Gortarius posted:Please someone enlighten me: I never see that on the other hand, I just don't read far-right forums OR user comments on newspaper articles though, because they are usually not worth reading, so that might have something to do with it? But honestly, I have never seen a person claiming Sweden is a place where everyone gets grenaded and shot to hell by AK-47's and the whole "joke" or "counter-argument" by multiculturalism -positive people that OTHER people really, like literally, claim Sweden is actually Fallout: New Stockholm seems to be a hyperbole to say the least. If someone comes online and tells you "everyone is killead and rapped by muslams in swedan" you might probably consider tuning out that person as well. He's just venting some poo poo. quote:So when I see the comments full of these ludicrous claims about Sweden being worse off than Syria then I imagine it's the sort of people described above making the claims who just have some chip on their shoulder and championing a cause makes them feel good about themselves, or they are people who one day saw a black man on the street and were scarred for life. I have no problem believing there are problems with muslims being unable to integrate to western society but somehow I doubt the problems are them roaming the streets with assault rifles, throwing grenades at people and burning all the cars. Again I have never seen someone say such things, but there are Swedish suburbs where the police, and emergency services like the ambulance and the fire crews don't go at until things calm down or they have heavy backup. Are there "55 no-go zones" where nobody dare enter, and Sharia rules? Hell's no. The the fact still remains these "zones" do exist in Sweden. They don't exist in Finland though. It is practically unknown in Finland for gangs of locals to attack or harass police officers for doing routine checks, or trying to apprehened a suspect by starting a riot where youths smash stores, burn cars and stone the police. In Sweden, that has been if not weekly, monthly as of late. And it always happens in suburbs mostly populated by Muslim or African migrants, which would be almost completely comprised of asylum seekers and their family-refunifying relatives. Then the taxpayers rebuild the burned houses and the burned cars are towed away at some point. Even if not Fallout, that isn't really a healthy sign in my opinion, politically dangerous or incorrect thought or not. quote:There's also zero articles or coverage about anything happening in Sweden, ever, and I don't know if that's because their happenings are not covered here in any quantity or if there isn't anything happening that would ylittää uutiskynnys or if there really is some secret pact with all media outlets that agree not to cover anything negative about anyone who isn't a kantasuomalainen or kantaruotsalainen. Finnish medias constaly publish small pieces on Sweden about grenade attacks, murders or attempted ones, or attacks on women. If you are not interested in these things, you just probably don't click the link. Also Swedish papers, especially smaller locals do report fairly well in my opinion. I would imagine it isn't in the agenda of our local media to write much on regular Swedish suburban crime (not because they want to "cover up" something, but because it doesn't really concern Finland that much). Unless there is a riot where the police actually open fire at the attackers like in Rinkeby just now because that is quite irregular in either Finland or Sweden. Sweden is by no means Fallout: New Malmö but gang related gun crimes, grenade and even occasional assault rifle attacks do happen: shootings are common in Malmö and Stockhom vastly by comparison to other Nordic countries and has since that link intensified. Riots in places like Rinkeby, Tensta and other migrant populated suburbs are common. Cars are burned weekly, gangs of youths, angry that the police have entered "their area" and attempted an arrest, regularly (again, not all day all week and not everywhere) assault police officers with stones and molotovs, and in similar manner attack fire crews and even ambulance crews. Businesses like pharmacies and other stores are literally moving out of these areas because of crime. Social service centers are closed for periods. Schools are closed for periods because of the chaos. This isn't some crazy racist hitler far-right fantasy. If local or Finnish media doesn't cut it, Danish and Norweign medias also report on these events. Similary our Scandinavian neighbours they have written editorials for years about the odd denialism their Swedish colleagues represent. Compare this to Finland. How many times you can read that a police squad was attacked by a mob after they tried an arrest? How often are schools closed even temporarily because the students and whoever go there are out of control? How many grenade attacks we have a year? How many gang related killings? One? Two? (Usually biker related activity.) How many riots a month where local young men burn cars? How often do you hear groups of youths attack fire crews, or set up traps on bridges to drop stones on arriving police cars? And even if something like that happens it's an annual event and usually (ok always) political, not an attack against society in general like, loving, stoning services created to serve the community. quote:So where do these claims get wind in their sails? Does the good ol' MV-lehti spread this sort of garbage? Do these grenade attacks actually happen every day and somehow the swedish law enforcement and military isn't prompted to appear on the scene to throw the perpetrators into the hoosgow or into a casket? Are these just idiots believing every rumour and story and then blowing them out of proportions? No these things don't happen every day of course. It just does not magic the fact problems seem to be real out of existence either. It's not black and white, either or. The people who go batshit that Sweden is Fallout: New Gothenburg probably feed themselves only on mv-lehti style sites every day and ever read about the really bad stuff only. My point was thus: You are right and wrong. If you are an ethnic Swede with a job living in most of Sweden, or a working migrant living in a middle class area, you probably will not have problems with grenade attacks. Or anything really. I have plenty of friends who work there or who have worked there. And also who have moved out recently because they started feeling uncomfortable. Practically all of the gun violence involves migrant gangbangers who shoot each other, not you. (Another subject is these are mostly unsovable by officials, because all the locals are too afraid to talk to the police - again something unheard of in Finland, unless we talk about say bikers.) If you live in a migrant suburb, but don't bother anyone or deal drugs and be a youth criminal, you are going to be fine most of the time as far as I know. A friend who lived in Rinkeby whom I met a while ago said he was only ever really worried about his blonde girlfriend, who had a habit of staggering home alone drunk and had a tendency to insult people when in forementioned state. (And this was like the only native white guy on the block and was never given any serious poo poo.) Though an eight year old just died of a grenade attack in Gothenburg and there have been several reports of news crews being attacked in the suburbs. An Australian crew, for example, said they felt safer in Somalia and Syria. Or just a day or two ago a lone Dagens Nyheter reporter was assaulted by a mob and beaten into hospital hopistal during a riot he went to investigate. Anyway if you do believe there is nothing wrong in Sweden apart from figuring yes that sure, there might be some problems with migrants you can read for example this post by a definitely non-racist Swedish (I assume he is Swedish) poster from the other day concerning "what sucks over there". Everyone can make their own assumptions in regards how much taking in give or take, 100k asylum seekers (often from extremely violent and conservative societies compared to Nordic ones) their relatives, and other migrants a year might have to do with these issues, but it shouldn't require much analysis to determine that when migrants take 8-10 years to find work, just as in Finland (if they find work - just google that up if you don't believe it) it might put some pressure on society, everything will be not a-ok, and you won't see this end without heavy housing issues, economic and social repercussions. Edit: To close out, I suspect all the years of various academics and left-wing or social democrat politicians and related media outlets telling everyone there isn't anything particular going on, everything is as it ever was, so shut up... or you are a a racism suspect! might have something to do with people flipping out and calling politicians and medias liars right now all over the internet. And going a bit overboard while at it. Probably causes reading crap like mv-lehti too much as well. Ligur fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 22:08
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Ligur posted:Sweden is a place where everyone gets grenaded 
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Feb 21, 2017 22:29
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Oh I didn't even know it was that common today. Yet... only THREE grenade/bomb attacks a week in a Nordic welfare state in 2015? Hahaha, nothing to worry about then, that isn't even CLOSE to Fallout: New Vegas where I could launch several explosives per day at different mutants, so shut up or ur a hitlernazi and/or a sweden demokrat and only post a link like that because ur a racist. Not, for example, simply because you are just really really worried...
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Feb 21, 2017 23:14
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fuuuuuck they're onto us
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Feb 22, 2017 17:33
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Nenonen posted:fuuuuuck they're onto us loving Åland being a traitor and leaving us alone with this!!
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Feb 22, 2017 18:19
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https://twitter.com/KELLYWEILL/status/834254961127071744
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hay guyz
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Feb 22, 2017 20:30
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If you segregate (intentionally or unintentionally) a bunch of people in a ghetto where they live in conditions substantially worse then the surrounding populations you are going to have crime, people shooting eachother and poo poo blowing up, regardless of if the bunch of people in the question are immigrants or not. Blaming multiculturalism and immigration for a policy that is the literal opposite of multiculturalism and something that happens with or without immigration is just being a dumbass in a whole different way.
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Feb 23, 2017 00:09
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They segregate themselves tho, intentionally picking places where living conditions are worse because the cost of living is lower there. Should we go the Denmark way and mandate the maximum acceptable melanin concentration per cityblock?
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throw to first drat IT posted:They segregate themselves tho, intentionally picking places where living conditions are worse because the cost of living is lower there. Should we go the Denmark way and mandate the maximum acceptable melanin concentration per cityblock? I don't think people intentionally pick places where living conditions are worse, lol, I think they do that because the cost of living is lower only in few spots and because immigrants are on average poorer then the native population they are thus concentrated in the few areas where public housing is available. You don't do something intentionally if you don't have a choice. Not something that only brown people are forced to resort to either. Then there is of course those wealthier moving away when undesirables move in, again something not limited to immigrants on either side of the equation and not really something the less fortunate intentionally choose either. Finland seems to better then Sweden in spreading different types of housing around, to be honest. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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DarkCrawler posted:
It has been an active goal of at least Helsinki and Vantaa to maintain mixed neighborhoods. You see lots of Cocks crying about it on various media, "why do these dirty poors get to live in neighborhoods they can't afford without government support? there's lots of cheap housing out in the forest somewhere north, they should go there." gently caress you Cocks, gently caress you.
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DarkCrawler posted:I don't think people intentionally pick places where living conditions are worse, lol, I think they do that because the cost of living is lower only in few spots and because immigrants are on average poorer then the native population they are thus concentrated in the few areas where public housing is available. You don't do something intentionally if you don't have a choice. Not something that only brown people are forced to resort to either. Then there is of course those wealthier moving away when undesirables move in, again something not limited to immigrants on either side of the equation and not really something the less fortunate intentionally choose either. Even in "lovely" places, it's typically just one block of housing that has bad rep, but rest of the neighborhood is typically just boring. As long as teenagers got something useful to do, they're all right places to live. Also public housing is available almost everywhere in Helsinki, it's just that once people get their apartments, they won't move out until they're dead. There's city public housing in Katajannokka with sea view.
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There's very little causal evidence that living in a bad neighborhood makes you worse off, other than maybe in terms of education. http://blogit.image.fi/asiatonlehdistokatsaus/miksi-tiedamme-niin-vahan-asuinalueiden/
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Stubb Dogg posted:There's city public housing in Katajannokka with sea view. I thought the prison was closed down?!?
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Feb 24, 2017 11:44
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There's very little causal evidence that living in a "bad" neighbourhood (or being poor) makes you riot, burn cars and attack the police. Also Finland has many concentrations of students (generally poor) in one area, pensioners who live below the poverty line, or even whole rural towns from which the factories and mills have vanished with high unemployment and very little for the future to offer. Yet, no riots and molotov ambushes against the police.
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Feb 24, 2017 11:46
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Ligur posted:There's very little causal evidence that living in a "bad" neighbourhood (or being poor) makes you riot, burn cars and attack the police. It's pretty disingenuous to compare poor young people who feel like the system has failed them and see no future for themselves to students and loving pensioners.
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Feb 24, 2017 11:52
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Andrast posted:It's pretty disingenuous to compare poor young people who feel like the system has failed them and see no future for themselves to students and loving pensioners. I was mildly serious. What I'm trying to say is poverty does not equal bad behaviour and criminality. The reasons are much more complex.
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Feb 24, 2017 12:04
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I don't think being a far-right politician is that complex of a reason, actually.
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List of far-right politicians that burn cars and stone the police:
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