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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:Yeah and if I may suggest, share this with the rocket chat - I don't think I know what this is.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:It's the national live/real time chat. Like the discord but more than just goons. Oh right I did that yesterday or two days ago. I'll post my idea once I get in
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:Don't be downhearted if it seems like your enthusiasm isn't shared by your chapter or members - some of us are saving energy for a marathon, others are bad at communicating excitement, some have seen this happen with other new members who drop out quickly and are wary of it happening again, and others may be so depressed at the current situation that they can barely muster the energy to come to meetings. Your enthusiasm is appreciated, and it could be contagious. Thats a great idea but please don't send homeless people to loving starbucks
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Why not? That's hilarious. College students might be better targets. Edit: A clean, well-lit place is half the benefit. At Starbucks, how long could an indigent customer linger with one drink or one food-item? At McDonald's or something, $5 is three sandwiches and a drink w/refills. You could nurse that for an hour. Accretionist has issued a correction as of 20:01 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Accretionist posted:At Starbucks, how long could an indigent customer linger with one drink or one food-item? I worked at starbucks a few years ago and we never kicked anyone out, the big thing is that $5 doesn't really get you anything at Starbucks. Like maybe a bagel. Actually I lied, there was a homeless person we kicked out multiple times for stealing our tip jar.
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blue squares posted:Thats a great idea but please don't send homeless people to loving starbucks Why not? They're open pretty wide hours, there's drinks and food there, there's a restroom, there's power, comfortable seating, the staff are usually fine with people lingering, and they're omnipresent in cities. Is there another place that would better fit those needs?
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:Why not? They're open pretty wide hours, there's drinks and food there, there's a restroom, there's power, comfortable seating, the staff are usually fine with people lingering, and they're omnipresent in cities. Is there another place that would better fit those needs? micky ds and burger king are cheap enough that a five dollar gift card actually gets you a meal
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Accretionist posted:At McDonald's or something, $5 is three sandwiches and a drink w/refills. You could nurse that for an hour. Fewer McD's around here so they'd not be a great choice for a kit (what good is a card if the closest one is across 2 freeways). Let's not bicker over praxis. If your area has plenty of fast-food places that are accessible to people experiencing homelessness (both geographically and "won't kick someone out for lingering") and you can get a large number of cards in lowish denominations, they'd be a good choice for your handout kits.
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There is something to the narrative that 1)the left was busting up Starbucks' storefronts while protesting and 2)now we're sending waves of the homeless bearing leftist calling cards to flood their locations. Scratches the itch for supervillainy. You could probably write something up and get Fox News to publish it online.
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This is just my two cents, but I think it's not the best tactic for another reason: the DSA isn't a charity, it is a political organization that needs to build a labor movement by getting allies. The DSA is a group with limited resources and everything has to have two purposes, accomplish something good and also help the overall goal. Homelessness is a loving tragedy but handing out gift cards doesn't accomplish anything meaningful nor does it build allies because the majority of homeless people are not in the position to be part of a political movement. You'd be a lot better off helping working families get groceries for their kids and then turning them into political allies. Just my thoughts
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Yer right on the cost thing (haven't bought poo poo at Starbucks in so long I'd forgotten their prices), I'll bump the value up next time I make a batch of kits and add a few bucks to the remaining ones I have so they're at least "large coffee" value. Anyone have a bulk source for travel size containers of gold bond powder or athletic socks, sign me the heck up. I'll be over here getting excited at finding a deal on 144 individually wrapped adult toothbrushes. ETA blue squares I may respond in more detail later but I'm leaning anarcho-socialist and helping marginalized communities close to home, building local mutual aid groups, community support programs etc. *shrug* take the tactics you want, leave the others. ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 20:57 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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You're doing a great thing I'm not denying that.
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Right, sorry if it came off like I was ragging on you, I just thought the story you could make out of it was funny.
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I do like the thru-line from busting up a Starbucks to occupying one! Did OWS have a sleep-in at the HQ of a bank that was making people homeless via mass eviction, or am I misremembering that? Maybe I dreamed it.
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On the whole tech side of things, I am starting the process of getting our chapter set up with Action Network and CallHub. Things still need to be officially decided and all that, but I will try to take decent notes to share once we really dive in.
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blue squares posted:This is just my two cents, but I think it's not the best tactic for another reason: the DSA isn't a charity, it is a political organization that needs to build a labor movement by getting allies. The DSA is a group with limited resources and everything has to have two purposes, accomplish something good and also help the overall goal. Homelessness is a loving tragedy but handing out gift cards doesn't accomplish anything meaningful nor does it build allies because the majority of homeless people are not in the position to be part of a political movement. You'd be a lot better off helping working families get groceries for their kids and then turning them into political allies. Helping the homeless, veterans, poor working families and senior citizens is exactly what we should be doing - they are the disenfranchised either by means or by lack of options aside from same as usual politicians, and are exactly the group of people we need supporting us. The only suggestion I would say when doing these things is take pictures and let local reporters know that a bunch of dirty socialists are helping out those in need in their communities.
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Really the key is to make sure to not fall into the liberal trap of assuming charitable gestures are enough. Give and work for improvements in the overall treatment of the homeless. You can do both.
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HiHo ChiRho posted:Helping the homeless, veterans, poor working families and senior citizens is exactly what we should be doing - they are the disenfranchised either by means or by lack of options aside from same as usual politicians, and are exactly the group of people we need supporting us. The only suggestion I would say when doing these things is take pictures and let local reporters know that a bunch of dirty socialists are helping out those in need in their communities. This, if you're helping the homeless you should be shamelessly taking as many photos and getting quotes then spamming them on Facebook, twitter, Instagram, etc.
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 Hello DSA thread. Your lovely OP has organized a gangtag for those of you who have donated a minimum of $5 to the DSA, if you choose to have it. If you would like it, please quote this post along side proof of a donation of sufficient quantity. Proof can be simply quoting an older post you made previously that itself contained donation proof, or if you are a new donor that wants it, quote this post alongside proof of that donation. I can nearly guarantee that your title will be safe and sound underneath your avatars within five (5) business days, or whenever I check this thread, really. 
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I didn't realize some of you already had it. No refunds motherfuckers, welcome to CAPITALISM!!
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Finally poked around and found this thread. I've been a dsa member for two years. A terrible member who hated my chapter head for a while because he was jerking off to Jill Stein and holding meetings at dumb times when 8 to 5 workers couldn't get to them but I guess the Seattle chapter might be under new leadership? Anyway I guess I can get added to the list. I think I'll be at the next meeting because it's at a more reasonable time. Trying to navigate this new era and stave off the crippling depression by keeping busy and maybe hiding some folks in my basement from the coming horrors. Some of my friends and I have been feeding tent city 3 every few weeks. I've gotten super good at making 100 biscuits at home fast! silicone thrills has issued a correction as of 07:35 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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logikv9 posted:
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HiHo ChiRho posted:I member! done also generally for everybody i eventually give titles to, if you aren't a fan of the placement / lack of centering or whatever let me know itt and i'll fix it for free
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blue squares posted:I typed up a first draft of my proposal for a new members committee. I'd love some feedback before I submit it. It's a bit nitpicky, but I'd suggest adding specifics about your individual chapter to the Info Packet section. E.g. Org Structure, Committee descriptions, ongoing projects. It's one of your listed purposes (essential information), but is missing in the 'execution' sections. I'm also a bit confused about the survey. Is it a one-time or recurring survey for all new members, for all or an ongoing survey filled out by each new member as they join? I'm only asking that because it might impact your reporting process. For me, I'd report differently if it's a 2-week survey of all the new members in the past 3 months, versus a survey filled out by every member as they join, and a summary presented every meeting cycle along the lines of "8 new members, these are the number of people interested in each committee". Maybe I'm just thinking in the wrong timeframe, and seeing a granularity problem with the data if the number of new members is low during a particular month. I'm super interested in helping organize groups and develop both projects and groups. It's been an academic and extracurricular interest of mine for many years. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to do much for the DSA right now, but I will be mailing in my membership form shortly.
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logikv9 posted:
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Brute Squad posted:It's a bit nitpicky, but I'd suggest adding specifics about your individual chapter to the Info Packet section. E.g. Org Structure, Committee descriptions, ongoing projects. It's one of your listed purposes (essential information), but is missing in the 'execution' sections. Thanks for this post. Good points. As far as reporting, right now there are tons of people showing up, but that won't always be the case, so I can rework it to say there will only be data shared at monthly meetings when we have had 50 new members or it has been three meetings since the last report (whichever comes first), or something like that.
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blue squares posted:This is just my two cents, but I think it's not the best tactic for another reason: the DSA isn't a charity, it is a political organization that needs to build a labor movement by getting allies. The DSA is a group with limited resources and everything has to have two purposes, accomplish something good and also help the overall goal. Homelessness is a loving tragedy but handing out gift cards doesn't accomplish anything meaningful nor does it build allies because the majority of homeless people are not in the position to be part of a political movement. You'd be a lot better off helping working families get groceries for their kids and then turning them into political allies. In general, 'provisioning actions' seem like a good opportunity for the group. I like the simplicity and ease. From the group's perspective, it is... ... an easy pitch to potential volunteers. If you want someone to do something, make it easy. ... a pretext for low-stakes and low-pressure fundraising, where every $5 is another card. ... good busywork for building and maintaining organizational capacity and visibility. ... a good morale-booster. Each instance of handing out a card is an easy-win. Plus, there's got to be angles on funneling homeless people into Starbucks around the country.
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 Spotted this on the street in Moldova recently and thought of the good DSA folks in here
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blue squares posted:I typed up a first draft of my proposal for a new members committee. I'd love some feedback before I submit it. I'd go one step further here - if you're collecting survey data, distributing information on opportunities is nice... but most people prefer active guidance. Using that information (combined with the needs of your org) to suggest which groups and projects could best use their services might be a good part of this groups responsibilities. Actively work to find them a place, hook them up with the right people, help them figure out how they'll be able to participate, and get them any needed invites and permissions, do followups and make sure no one falls through the cracks (I took me weeks to get added to my working group's actual online group platform, something I didn't even know existed and which is used to schedule ALL OUR MEETINGS, meaning I already missed at least one I could have attended) Right now that is something the DSA does - but it's largely done in one on one meetings with org leadership who (in many ways) have lots of other demands on their time. If you can demonstrate your group would be able to accomplish the same goal as well as they do, but without them having to spend their time doing it, that might be appealing. And lots of people are ignorant, and know they're ignorant, and want to be pointed in the right direction. Offering opportunities can be good - but especially in groups with lots of them, it can also be bad if it doesn't come with clear next steps and expectations!
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logikv9 posted:
full socialism now ron paul 2020
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GlyphGryph posted:I'd go one step further here - if you're collecting survey data, distributing information on opportunities is nice... but most people prefer active guidance. I really like this idea. Given that there are over 100 new members to my chapter, possibly as many as 200 new people who have turned up at meetings since the election, I don't know if that's doable as a stated, 100% effective service for past members, unless I get some people who sign up to join the committee and help. What I'll do is add this as a goal of the committee provided I get additional people to help with that project. Which is great, because then I have tasks beyond just me for anyone who wants to help with this committee!
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