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Pendent posted:The welf campaign was way more fun when it was first released and really loving hard. They definitely went too far in the other direction.
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lilspooky posted:This is all End Times bullshittery, which any real Warhammer fan would know is complete garbage and truly non-canonical. It, along with all the other End Times stupidity, is essentially the ravings of a terminal patient on hospice care. I think it would have been better for GW if they had just made it so the setting was always in stasis, but with the campaigns for their tabletop being their own vignettes. That way Storm of Chaos could have been a rousing success for the good guys, like it was in the worldwide campaign, and then everything could go back to being poo poo. Plus they wouldn't have had to have given any lip service to the idea of advancing the metaplot. All the poo poo in the End Times could have been their own campaigns instead of a quick summary for new army rules. But since Games Workshop lucked into nerd gold all those years ago and are entirely insensate from inhaling their farts for 30 years we instead get Age of Sigmar. Least they set the IP loose and we got some good videogames out of the equation, cause there sure won't be a AoS one!
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Well, you can't copyright wood elves. But sylvawhatever, that you can put a little r on.
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wiegieman posted:Well, you can't copyright wood elves. But sylvawhatever, that you can put a little r on. Yeah that's why orcs are now "Orrucs" but Skaven are still Skaven. lilspooky posted:I'm thinking they'd really have to. I don't know if you'd NEED the Man O' War license to use the ships from the lore. Hell just last night I noticed that when the dwarves embark an army it's the little Nautilus sub from Man O' War Undead shouldn't use boats - they should just walk along the bottom. The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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How come a checkerboard deployment can be so amazing in campaign but I never see it used in multiplayer? I just see the missiles in a parallel line behind the unbroken solid line of melee. Is there some glaring weakness to it that the AI doesnt know how to exploit?
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theDOWmustflow posted:In comparison, the dwarf equivalent gives bonuses to... miners and warriors only. Units that quickly go obsolete in the mid and late game. And these units have abysmal attack and defense. There's another dwarven skills that buffs Longbeards and Ironbreakers (!).
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Feb 22, 2017 09:26
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Dwarven warriors are great all the time, nothing about cheap tanky units to hold the line goes obsolete.
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Ammanas posted:I think it's two things, one the overall inflation of new lords and stats as they get released and two someone really likes welves at CA. That or they were intended to be passive and defensive only but never got around to programming that aspect of the campaign AI. ~true to the source material~ in that new codexes p much always stomped older ones (no firsthand experience, I couldn't afford Warhams)
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Fauxtool posted:How come a checkerboard deployment can be so amazing in campaign but I never see it used in multiplayer? I just see the missiles in a parallel line behind the unbroken solid line of melee. Is there some glaring weakness to it that the AI doesnt know how to exploit? Yeah, the main problem is that it's very inflexible. If I see the enemy with such a formation I'd just flank the whole lot. Good luck reorganizing that thing to face me without pause.
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Fangz posted:Yeah, the main problem is that it's very inflexible. If I see the enemy with such a formation I'd just flank the whole lot. Good luck reorganizing that thing to face me without pause. Also one of the things that makes it effective in singleplayer is that the AI isn't great at charging small units - such as heroes or lords - through the gaps in the front line to tie up the ranged units. A player could do that easily.
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Ammanas posted:I think it's two things, one the overall inflation of new lords and stats as they get released and two someone really likes welves at CA. That or they were intended to be passive and defensive only but never got around to programming that aspect of the campaign AI. After launch wood elves got buffed into the sky because a bunch of morons on steam/Total war forums were furious that they had paid 20 quid for a glass cannon faction that they couldn't use effectively. It was a panic response on the developers behalf imo. They already get enough poo poo about DLC on steam reviews and so forth. Wood Elves are broken, which is why by turn 150 they end up covering half the map. The make them defensive mod is solid though and befitting their lore. Though some kind of wild hunt event with wood elves sallying forth out of the forests would have been good.
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Southpaugh posted:After launch wood elves got buffed into the sky because a bunch of morons on steam/Total war forums were furious that they had paid 20 quid for a glass cannon faction that they couldn't use effectively. It was a panic response on the developers behalf imo. They already get enough poo poo about DLC on steam reviews and so forth. Wood Elves are broken, which is why by turn 150 they end up covering half the map. Such an event removing the 'defensive' AI attribute and then having it reinstate 20 turns later might work.
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Southpaugh posted:After launch wood elves got buffed into the sky because a bunch of morons on steam/Total war forums were furious that they had paid 20 quid for a glass cannon faction that they couldn't use effectively. It was a panic response on the developers behalf imo. They already get enough poo poo about DLC on steam reviews and so forth. Wood Elves are broken, which is why by turn 150 they end up covering half the map. Yeah, I played on release and while it forced me to take a different approach they were pretty effective and fun to play with, even if some units were a bit underpowered, but they really overtuned them in the patch, and combined with the campaign bonuses they get they become by far the easiest faction to play as in the game at the moment. And have to add my voice to the chorus of "get the Defensive Wood Elves" mod.
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I dunno where it came from, but iirc there were some stories that the wood elves turn male kids into magical butler/servant types, basically making them servile Lost Boys or something. They remain children forever and serve the elves at feasts and poo poo. Stories were like about people stumbling into the forest and finding weird brainwashed child servants or something.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Undead shouldn't use boats - they should just walk along the bottom. These are old-school undead. Running water tends to destroy them.
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I didn't notice it before, but the steam page has images of all three LLs basic tech tree. http://cdn.edgecast.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/534330/ss_e2017fef01269a10053a87ca320c265e390a1d9d.1920x1080.jpg?t=1487692984 http://cdn.edgecast.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/534330/ss_895e182cec592a74dbd6698e1607af92775e8e03.1920x1080.jpg?t=1487692984 http://cdn.edgecast.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/534330/ss_7fd929faefeb75c6649826a13ce06d59d1b37831.1920x1080.jpg?t=1487692984 It looks like the thing that really makes Alberic stand out is his unique Red and Blue Lines. Fey Enchantress has her three magic items, Unicorn and Loremaster so fairly standard for a Wizard Lord. Hopefully her items are really good because she seems a bit lacking in unique skills TBH. I'm mildly concerned but still hopeful. King Louen looks pretty much as expected, he'll be ridiculously strong. Alberic is interesting, weaker in melee than Louen but a ton of unique skills. It looks like his only magic item is a trident? He'll probably double down on knight bonuses at the expense of peasants and maybe some econ bonuses.
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Cythereal posted:These are old-school undead. Running water tends to destroy them. That's really only the vampires themselves. And only some of them.
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Night10194 posted:That's really only the vampires themselves. Yeah, the undead pirate zombies of the Vampire Coast in Lustria use both underwater attacks and ships with rad cannons.
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On the pointless DLC speculation front, it's worth noting that CA has admitted that Isabella was the free lord on the FLC chart and they had no coherent plan for what they were going to do if they lost MWNL. https://steamdb.info/app/364360/dlc/ There's also only two slots left, so it's looking very likely that we've got one more paid DLC+The Old Friend and that's it until Game 2.
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madmac posted:On the pointless DLC speculation front, it's worth noting that CA has admitted that Isabella was the free lord on the FLC chart and they had no coherent plan for what they were going to do if they lost MWNL. I'd expect Game 2 in the summer or early autumn tbh. They're determined to keep the pace of content coming and it's not like they have to reinvent the wheel.
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When it comes to DLC criticism, I'm far more inclined to complain about the DLC adding elite unique units to various factions. Being able to recruit them anywhere at a moment's notice is so powerful that it's pretty much paying to win. As a baddy I couldn't imagine playing a very hard or legendary campaign without them.
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Nanomashoes posted:I thought the last dlc was semi confirmed to be a map expansion down to Araby and Tomb Kings? Source?
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Plavski posted:Source? Russian leaks + they added the outline of the north coast of Araby to the map in the wood elves update.
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Eschatos posted:When it comes to DLC criticism, I'm far more inclined to complain about the DLC adding elite unique units to various factions. Being able to recruit them anywhere at a moment's notice is so powerful that it's pretty much paying to win. As a baddy I couldn't imagine playing a very hard or legendary campaign without them. Yeah it's a bit silly to disband a stack full of RoR in the north then, same turn, recruit the exact same RoR army in the badlands. There should be a couple turn cool down. I played a slow campaign as dwarves against the VC and it got a bit dull fighting the same RoR turn after turn after annihilating them in battle. Nanomashoes posted:Russian leaks + they added the outline of the north coast of Araby to the map in the wood elves update. It makes more sense to leave the map as is till 'game 2' but who knows The Defensive welves mod helps but once engaged the welves will still colonize the world. I don't mind their armies being great, I mind them acting as the Real Chaos where they own everything and fun to fight factions like greenskins are annihilated by turn 20 Ammanas fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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It may be because I'm played with better ai mods that seem to change the way the map unfolds , but I don't think I've ever seen WEs dominate the map like you guys are describing.
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Grail Guardians: https://www.facebook.com/TotalWar/videos/1367130676695462/ Grail Knights but Melee instead of Shock, probably
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That's cool then, I was worried they'd be a super infantry unit which wouldn't fit Bretonnia well.
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Squires are worse than greatswords too, so all is right with the world.
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Southpaugh posted:After launch wood elves got buffed into the sky because a bunch of morons on steam/Total war forums were furious that they had paid 20 quid for a glass cannon faction that they couldn't use effectively. It was a panic response on the developers behalf imo. They already get enough poo poo about DLC on steam reviews and so forth. Wood Elves are broken, which is why by turn 150 they end up covering half the map. Yeah, the wood elf buffs were really stupid. They have such insane scaling on everything so you just facerolled the map with Orions army after turn 30 even before the buffs.
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Southpaugh posted:After launch wood elves got buffed into the sky because a bunch of morons on steam/Total war forums were furious that they had paid 20 quid for a glass cannon faction that they couldn't use effectively. It was a panic response on the developers behalf imo. They already get enough poo poo about DLC on steam reviews and so forth. Wood Elves are broken, which is why by turn 150 they end up covering half the map. You should also get the mod that gives them an aversion to Chaos, because otherwise the Wood Elves and Chaos become best buds for lyfe. McGavin fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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The pre-End Times Brettonia lore was once upon a time, Ariel, sorceror-queen of the Wood Elves, gave some random human warlord an unbelievable amount of performance-enhancing magic so he'd gently caress up the Beastmen for her while Orion was busy sleeping off the winter. Good news: it worked like a charm! Questionable news, he also told stories about the nice lady who pumped him so full of magic it looks like he can't actually die, a couple of his buddies decided to go lookin' for her, and she said "uh, sure, why the hell not," leading to the society they ended up founding being based around the premise "if you act enough like Giles le Breton, a nice magic lady will make you just-short-of-immortal." Bad news for the Wood Elves: the Warhammer Fantasy world contains significantly more Nice Magic Ladies Who Will Hand Out Performance Enhancing Drugs If You Do What They Say than Ariel. This leads to some knightly issues.
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Ammanas posted:It makes more sense to leave the map as is till 'game 2' but who knows On the other hand, allowing CA a dry run at implementing a more limited map expansion before adding a whole separate continent might be a good idea.
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terrorist ambulance posted:It may be because I'm played with better ai mods that seem to change the way the map unfolds , but I don't think I've ever seen WEs dominate the map like you guys are describing. It's a real thing. As the Empire I actually rather enjoy a massive threat boiling out of the South, but it being the Wood Elves is a little... Silly.
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More like stupid. My doomstack can autoresolve a VC doomstack favourably, but a 15/20 WELF army absolutely wipes the floor with that same army composition. Right now in my empire game they've pretty much taken over the entire west coast, with Brettonia and the Dwarves as the last remaining holdouts. They're currently murdering Marianburg and heading north, and like there's gently caress all I can do but watch basically while I finish off the VC.
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Its at the point where I'm considering starting over, dealing with the secessionists + getting Nuln somehow and then just going full ham on the welfs before they can rampage across the map.
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