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Since you said all of North America, how about El Santo and El Hijo del Santo and Octagon. Hijo del Santo did have a huge heel turn run according to my research (at roughly the same time Hogan did oddly enough) but he absolutely became a star without ever being Heel during the lead-up, and the same would go for the other two based on my knowledge. I don't know if Blue Demon was a face/technico for his rise to stardom. For that matter, what about Hogan himself? I know he did some heel work in the infancy of his career, but surely he didn't count as "a star," until he got the belt off Iron Shiek and was a full blown face all the way through that.
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Sandman McMahon posted:Question: Can you think of any major stars (ie: ppv main events, at least a run or two with a world title) that didn't initially get over as a heel? I've got Sting and I guess Steamboat (though even he doesn't really fit my criteria of major star). Anyone else? Bobby Lashley, loosely
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Sanguinia posted:Since you said all of North America, how about El Santo and El Hijo del Santo and Octagon. Santo also did that thing where was only a rudo in a specific arena (Arena Coliseo, I think).
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Benne posted:Long story short: it was the 2nd chamber match on the show, the first chamber match was a tag team match and featured Big E doing his patented "spear through the ropes onto the floor" spot (the one that he will eventually die from) except without the floor because it was in an EC, he went crashing into a pod in the corner. The same pod that Mark Henry got assigned to. The event was also in Corpus Christi which did not really help matters. (Also why Henry was in the match, as a local guy make good) To be fair to the announcers though, they probably didn't miss Sheamus cheating and locking the door, but they already kind of wasted the technical malfunction spot with Henry, and if there's one well you can't go back to twice in the same match it's "there was a malfunction and the stip got hosed up". Vince for all of his neuroses, is stupidly good at getting the announcers to pick up on planned wrinkles in matches and when he starts to deviate from that behavior he's starting to go into "Well this is getting over like poo poo, let's salvage what we can" mode
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dont even fink about it posted:He was frankly considered not a very good worker by the boys and had attitude problems when he came in, which led to being busted down to developmental and the infamous "Stevie Richards does all the Big Show parts" in No Mercy. His interviews with Steve Austin about this are hilarious. He got to work with Steve straight-off and every night Steve would potato him, and Big Show would do nothing. Finally Big Show has enough and lays into him, and Austin goes, "That's the spirit!" Until he was busted down to developmental in the wwf he had no wrestling training at all. Hogan literally scooped him up at a charity basketball game and used his leverage to get him signed to wcw. Big show is the definition of someone not paying his dues. Wcw hid his weaknesses really well but when he came to the wwf he was under intense scrutiny and literally he didn't know poo poo.
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Feb 22, 2017 01:16
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Plus by that point he had really let his condition slip. As big as the guy is now, add a few more sizes.
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Wasn't sure where else to put this, so I figured I'd drop it here: https://twitter.com/KungFu_Grip/status/833969857393721344 A flubbed take by Lawler makes it into the game unedited.
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Ghostpilot posted:Wasn't sure where else to put this, so I figured I'd drop it here: Holy crap that's amazing. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3493510&pagenumber=142#lastpost
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FunMerrania posted:Holy crap that's amazing. Did you accidentally post the thread you wanted to post that in here?
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Sandman McMahon posted:Question: Can you think of any major stars (ie: ppv main events, at least a run or two with a world title) that didn't initially get over as a heel? I've got Sting and I guess Steamboat (though even he doesn't really fit my criteria of major star). Anyone else? an obvious one I don't think anyone has mentioned with is Goldberg.
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Sanguinia posted:Since you said all of North America, how about El Santo and El Hijo del Santo and Octagon. Hogan was a giant star before the Iron Sheik match. Hulkamania started in the AWA and led to the AWA's biggest run ever in the early 80s, and that's a company with a 20 year history at that point. Hogan was an even bigger star in Japan, and during his pre-AWA heel run he was working main events or second from the top with Andre in many cities. Santo spent about a decade as a heel when he became El Santo and was a giant star during that time. Goldberg started out as a heel but the crowds turned him pretty quickly. I also don't get how Steamboat doesn't fit the initial criteria, he had a run with the world title and main evented all over the world. He was in the biggest match in the history of the Carolinas. As for Andre he was initially a heel in Japan and I believe a heel in Montreal. Montreal is where he established himself in North America and he was obviously a star in Japan for 20 years. I'm not sure if he worked as a heel or face in Europe early in his career. As for some more, Jack Brisco established himself as a face. Kerry Von Erich is definitely one. Jeff Jarrett counts by the initial criteria and he initially got over as a face but he's not exactly a major star. Edge debuted as a face and got fairly over before turning heel to join the Brood, but it was a short face run. The Hardys are an obvious example too.
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How did the whole thing of American wrestlers working in Japan get started?
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that's sort of asking how did wrestling in japan get started
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:How did the whole thing of American wrestlers working in Japan get started? They were there from the beginning. Rikidozan would bring in American wrestlers for him to beat.
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:How did the whole thing of American wrestlers working in Japan get started? I'm sure MRT or someone can have a more detailed answer, but American wrestlers in Japan has always been there from the start of Japanese wrestling. In post-war Japan, Rikidozan got over huge as a mega-babyface feuding with filthy American heels, and it just built from there to the point where gaijin wrestlers became a regular thing for easy heel heat.
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:How did the whole thing of American wrestlers working in Japan get started? after world war 2 wrestling exploded in japan with rikidozan as a national hero defending the shores of japan from westerners his students giant baba and antonio inoki would go on to found all japan pro wrestling and new japan pro wrestling respectively where the practice was kept alive and well
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Feb 22, 2017 06:06
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Cool fact: the Funks were the first Gaijin faces. Terry Funk is loving awesome, you guys.
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I've always found it funny that Rikidozan, defender and hero of Japan, was Korean.
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Sandman McMahon posted:Question: Can you think of any major stars (ie: ppv main events, at least a run or two with a world title) that didn't initially get over as a heel? I've got Sting and I guess Steamboat (though even he doesn't really fit my criteria of major star). Anyone else? Rey. Heel Rey has always been bad and never works. He's like reverse Hogan where no matter how hard he tries to be heelish he still wrestles like the faciest face.
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Sandman McMahon posted:Andre works. They were heels for a good long while, but they turned face by turning on their manager, Jimmy Hart. (Or he turned on them, I'm not quite sure) There was a storyline where they were still officially under contract with him, so he'd show up at their matches and give the heel team and manager tips on how to beat them. They were face when they won the titles from Demolition at Summerslam, when it was Ax, Smash and Crush.
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I need your favorite matches with big guys hitting each other very hard and tossing reckless suplexes.
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Suplex Liberace posted:I need your favorite matches with big guys hitting each other very hard and tossing reckless suplexes.
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Feb 22, 2017 15:35
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Hes like the lower limit of big. The bigger the better.
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Steiners/Scott Norton vs. Hellraisers is a pretty good jumpoff
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Suplex Liberace posted:I need your favorite matches with big guys hitting each other very hard and tossing reckless suplexes. I was at a ROH taping where War Machine and the Pretty Boy Killers wrestled. It was broadcast sometime in October.
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Suplex Liberace posted:I need your favorite matches with big guys hitting each other very hard and tossing reckless suplexes. Twin Towers vs Strong BJ - Big Japan Wrestling 5/28/15
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Rey. One of the Raw vs Smackdown games had Evil Rey as a storyline. It was awesome and you could tell Rey was having fun with the VO.
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Suplex Liberace posted:I need your favorite matches with big guys hitting each other very hard and tossing reckless suplexes. Did the Steiners and Meng/Barbarian ever wrestle each other in WCW? If so, there's your answer.
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Kobashi vs Joe should scratch that itch.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Kobashi vs Joe should scratch that itch. Kobashi vs Sasaki for the five minute chop war.
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Is AJ really a flat earther or was it just a bad joke
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If it even hints at it in the Bible then he probably is
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flatluigi posted:Is AJ really a flat earther or was it just a bad joke He says the flat earthers make some good points.
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Flat earth theory probably dovetails with the earth being 6000 years old which is convenient for AJ for a number of reasons
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The thing I never understand about rich flat earthers is why don't you just charter a plane to prove it to yourself?
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I just assumed they were making a half-baked Kyrie Irving reference
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flatluigi posted:The thing I never understand about rich flat earthers is why don't you just charter a plane to prove it to yourself? It's easier than that, just get yourself to the coast and watch a boat come in to the shore. You see the top of the boat coming over the horizon, thus demonstrably proving curvature.
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I would imagine AJ's flat earth thing is just a riff on Kyrie Irving, but it's AJ so who knows.
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Is it true that TNA often refuses to pay the medical bills of it's performers? 
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:Is it true that TNA often refuses to pay it's performers?
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