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plz dont pull out posted:Then you have people like Colbert who, after Scalia died, decided to tell an anecdote about how despite their political differences, he could really take a joke. A dude doesn't get to spend over two decades loving people over and then get excused for it because it's a "political difference" and gently caress off for even trying that. Technocracy baby. Stop making government so political
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I just imagine that Comet Pizza gunman scenario playing out exactly like Pee Wee's Big Adventure when he gets to the Alamo.
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plz dont pull out posted:Then you have people like Colbert who, after Scalia died, decided to tell an anecdote about how despite their political differences, he could really take a joke. A dude doesn't get to spend over two decades loving people over and then get excused for it because it's a "political difference" and gently caress off for even trying that.
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stealing this from the criterion thread: https://twitter.com/BFI/status/834350797005664256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Gorn Myson posted:This happens all the time though, even when someone significant leaves office. People should just stick to what their beliefs even after the people they hate are gone. Like Hitchens tearing into Jerry Falwell after he died ("if you gave him an enema, you could bury him in a match box"). Or people throwing parties when Margaret Thatcher died. I've never heard that Hitchens quote: it's amazing!
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Say what you will about Hitchens, he was one of the all-time greats when it came to just leveling somebody with words.
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Alhazred posted:Is it no longer cool to like John Oliver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr5RFWj5GD0
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It's hard to really hold someone not speaking ill of the dead against them even if I don't agree. That's just how some people roll. That being said, there is a difference between feeling reluctant to dance on someone's grave and someone saying things that don't at all reflect the reality of a dead person's life just for the sake of trying to say something nice. It's also not acceptable to just go with a completely false narrative the person's supporters try to create. Really it all reminds me of this classic 
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Reagan can rest in piss and bih. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU
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In general the left is far too caught up in slam dunks that only they care about while the other side is literally making poo poo up and seeing if they can make this poo poo treated like it's real. My facebook feed is pretty free of conservative idiots but the left wing equivalent of that poo poo is just as painful to wade through in so many ways and also shows the American left have learned no election what so ever from the last election. I mean so much of the left is still trying to get people to care about stuff they didn't care about before the election but they continue to say it louder and louder like maybe the other side just isn't hearing this compelling message where they're actually racist and lol Trump has small hands
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In other news, Bill Maher still sucks:Bill Maher posted:About a week ago, I went on Van Jones’s show, and somebody asked me about the booking. I hadn’t really gotten into the details of Milo yet. He was just getting on my radar. I said, specifically, sunlight is the best disinfectant. Then we had Milo on, despite the fact that many people said, “Oh, how dare you give a platform to this man.” What I think people saw was an emotionally needy Ann Coulter wannabe, trying to make a buck off of the left’s propensity for outrage. And by the end of the weekend, by dinnertime Monday, he’s dropped as a speaker at CPAC. Then he’s dropped by Breitbart, and his book deal falls through. As I say, sunlight is the best disinfectant. You’re welcome. 
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Say what you will about Hitchens, he was one of the all-time greats when it came to just leveling somebody with words. What I will say about him is that he was a dickhead.
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glam rock hamhock posted:In general the left is far too caught up in slam dunks that only they care about while the other side is literally making poo poo up and seeing if they can make this poo poo treated like it's real. My facebook feed is pretty free of conservative idiots but the left wing equivalent of that poo poo is just as painful to wade through in so many ways and also shows the American left have learned no election what so ever from the last election. I mean so much of the left is still trying to get people to care about stuff they didn't care about before the election but they continue to say it louder and louder like maybe the other side just isn't hearing this compelling message where they're actually racist and lol Trump has small hands
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Gorn Myson posted:Or "Everyone who voted for Trump/Brexit is a racist/sexist/homophobe and I will label them as such and refuse to engage in them in any meaningful manner". Thats fine if you want to take that road, but good luck doing anything in politics if your strategy is to deliberately alienate large swathes of people. This is true though and time is better spent talking to people who have been demoralized by the system, because they might actually listen. We have a really middling turnout rate even for our big elections. Engaging people who don't even bother for a variety of reasons is way more productive than trying to convert far right blog readers. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Gorn Myson posted:Or "Everyone who voted for Trump/Brexit is a racist/sexist/homophobe and I will label them as such and refuse to engage in them in any meaningful manner". Thats fine if you want to take that road, but good luck doing anything in politics if your strategy is to deliberately alienate large swathes of people. Yeah, nothing has ever been accomplished politically by defining an enemy and unifying people against them.
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Gorn Myson posted:Or "Everyone who voted for Trump/Brexit is a racist/sexist/homophobe and I will label them as such and refuse to engage in them in any meaningful manner". This is just a stone cold fact. If the left stops trying to compromise and "engage in a dialogue" with the racists, sexists and homophobes, the world will become a better place.
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I don't agree with Lurdiak on pretty much anything but I agree with that.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:What I will say about him is that he was a dickhead. I mean, also not untrue.
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Saying that the left has to appeal to trumpists is just a way to avoid appealing to the 51℅ of the country that didn't vote for either option.
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The problem is there are different levels of Trump supporters. There is a very vocal group that can't be argued with or brought over or anything like that but there are those that voted for him because they were mainly worried about having a job this year, they care about that way more than anything the left tries to shame them into having to care about and Trump was the only one actually talking about saving/bringing in jobs. These people also don't tend to be all that vocal about their support though. I mean, if all the people that voted for Trump are irredeemable racists that agree with all of his policies than we are hosed anyways so we might as well just lay down and die. Like I'm not saying that there aren't many cases where the argument just isn't worth engaging in but just labeling everyone that isn't on board "the enemy" isn't gonna do all that much
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One of the reasons Hillary lost was due to spending a lot of time trying to win over GOP voters.Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Saying that the left has to appeal to trumpists is just a way to avoid appealing to the 51℅ of the country that didn't vote for either option.
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If you voted for Trump then at the very least you sold out your neighbors for the illusion of personal security. So maybe, just maybe, you're a coward, a traitor, and a dupe -- but not a racist, if that makes you feel better.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I don't agree with Lurdiak on pretty much anything but I agree with that. I also think Robocop is cool.
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Like, okay, so maybe half of Trump voters fooled themselves into thinking they had a legit reason? That's 12℅ of America and your already know how to appeal to them. Focus your efforts on the literal four times greater group that you don't know the deal with if you want to win.
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Gorn Myson posted:Or "Everyone who voted for Trump/Brexit is a racist/sexist/homophobe and I will label them as such and refuse to engage in them in any meaningful manner". Thats fine if you want to take that road, but good luck doing anything in politics if your strategy is to deliberately alienate large swathes of people. Anyone who's conservative is either hideously oblivious, disgustingly hateful, or so impossibly stupid they would better serve our country being put through a meat grinder and served to hungry children in loaf form.
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glam rock hamhock posted:The problem is there are different levels of Trump supporters. There is a very vocal group that can't be argued with or brought over or anything like that but there are those that voted for him because they were mainly worried about having a job this year, they care about that way more than anything the left tries to shame them into having to care about and Trump was the only one actually talking about saving/bringing in jobs. These people also don't tend to be all that vocal about their support though.
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Gorn Myson posted:Thats fine if you want to take that road, but good luck doing anything in politics if your strategy is to deliberately alienate large swathes of people. The thing is, empirically, U.S. politics is strategized around alienating larges swathes of people - in fact, the majority - from democratic participation. That isn't the intended strategy, but intent is not the same thing as meaning.
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the left: ha ha! tiny hands! ha ha! the right: *kills everyone who isn't a pale christian*
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He certainly does have very tiny hands.
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glam rock hamhock posted:The problem is there are different levels of Trump supporters. There is a very vocal group that can't be argued with or brought over or anything like that but there are those that voted for him because they were mainly worried about having a job this year, they care about that way more than anything the left tries to shame them into having to care about and Trump was the only one actually talking about saving/bringing in jobs. These people also don't tend to be all that vocal about their support though. remember that people who voted for Trump are less than 25% of the population of the US.
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I mean the obvious thing the left have to do is stop sucking and focusing on passing legislation to make voting as easy as possible and smashing gerrymandered districts while also giving people someone they actually want to vote for but that is so beyond their capabilities that I just think it'd be easier to assure people that fear their family will become homeless if they lose their job that they'll be taken care of and they don't have to decide between that and being considered a horrible person.
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Samuel Clemens posted:He certainly does have very tiny hands. Eh, they're fine and really the least of everyone in the world's problems right now.
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glam rock hamhock posted:Eh, they're fine and really the least of everyone in the world's problems right now. Honestly, given that he's a serial sexual abuser, it's for the best he doesn't have larger, more powerful hands to grope people with.
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glam rock hamhock posted:Eh, they're fine and really the least of everyone in the world's problems right now. Fine for a dwarf, maybe.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I don't agree with Lurdiak on pretty much anything but I agree with that. I don't agree on a one on one level, especially not for young people who voted for Trump, but it's 100% stupid to build an electoral strategy around poaching Trump voters en masse. Get 2% of the below median income voters in 3 states who didn't vote to the polls and Trump loses. Which is of course to say, Bernie would have won.
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Like, let's face facts: no one would be talking about his hands if it hadn't be revealed he hates when people make fun of them and people still do it like Trump is reading their posts and maybe just one more will make him quit. I just feel it's maybe time to move on now that it has become clear that that isn't in fact the one weakness he has that will destroy him.
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I remember after Obama beat McCain the Republican Party decided to adopt left wing policies to appeal to centrists and made sure that their base did nothing to upset anyone.
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glam rock hamhock posted:Eh, they're fine and really the least of everyone in the world's problems right now. He's got the whole world in his hands. He's got the whole world in his hands. He's got the whole world in his hands. In his tiny T-Rex hands.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:I remember after Obama beat McCain the Republican Party decided to adopt left wing policies to appeal to centrists and made sure that their base did nothing to upset anyone. Yes, let's turn to the republicans for strategy. Let's just make it so people we don't like can't vote, redistrict things so it's impossible to lose certain seats, just make poo poo up and do everything in our power to make people think their vote will do nothing and that they should just stay home. Also I don't think anyone here is saying that the left should adopt right wing policies or do everything they can to not upset people.
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