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baka kaba posted:What's surprising about this? Labour wants to be involved in influencing the negotiations, they have to be seen to be acting in good faith, so obviously that's the kind of internal discussion that's going on Here is a scientifically measured calculation of the precise amount of influence Labour will have over the Brexit negotiations: Absolutely loving none at all.
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Hmm it's almost like this whole thing is about positioning and being able to make arguments rather than control a majority government
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baka kaba posted:Hmm it's almost like this whole thing is about positioning and being able to make arguments rather than control a majority government Are you talking about Corbynism generally now?
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LemonDrizzle posted:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/22/labour-drawing-plansto-work-theresa-may-brexit/ When did Rosie Winterton become Jeremy Corbyn's most senior aide? Oh wait, she didn't, the Telegraph's talking bollocks. And she probably wrote and leaked that email herself knowing it could be spun to look like Corbyn was making too many compromises with the Tories.
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Striclty I think the Sun is talking bollocks and the Telegraph is reporting that the Sun reported a thing but trying to make it sound respectable.
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Didnt Corbyn literally sack Rosie Winterton a few months ago?
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I assume there's a reason she's the ex chief whip at least.
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Also, given that every other day Neil Coyle is described as a 'senior figure in Labour' as he shits all over his own party, I think it's fair to ignore >75% of what most of the papers say if it's anti-Corbyn.
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Anyone want to choke on their own vomit? https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/5vimhz/response_to_jamal_alharith_story/
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The boner Reddit has for Blair is insufferable. This is the group that actually thinks he'd be better than Corbyn right now.
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OwlFancier posted:Striclty I think the Sun is talking bollocks and the Telegraph is reporting that the Sun reported a thing but trying to make it sound respectable. That's barely a step up from reporting on what Local Lad Jack has to say in the popular Brexit Magazine. e: I thought Reddit was famous for their weird libertarian fringe, seems strange that they'd like Blair when the press loved ridiculing him for banning squirrels and squirt guns or whatever. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Junior G-man posted:Latest Anywhere But Westminster is in Stoke and well worth 10 minutes: Thanks for posting this. It's really depressing though. 
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Not So Fast posted:The boner Reddit has for I'mma stop you right there. Basically anything bad can go here and it'd be accurate. Reminder it's only half a decade since SA got 'em to take down sexualised pictures of underage teens.
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Guavanaut posted:That's barely a step up from reporting on what Local Lad Jack has to say in the popular Brexit Magazine. How has this not been scanned and posted all over the internet yet? I guess it's a local magazine for local people but someone needs to risk it
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I'm currently in Yorkshire on a training course and in amongst the assorted notice board fluff is a "YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU TO VOTE LEAVE" poster
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Feb 22, 2017 23:00
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Heh. quote:In response, the paper issued a statement saying Mr Blair was "utterly wrong to accuse the Daily Mail newspaper of inaccuracy over the Ronald Fiddler story".
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jabby posted:When did Rosie Winterton become Jeremy Corbyn's most senior aide? You can see what happened by reading the Sun article - Seumas Milne is the 'most senior aide', and the Telegraph changed 'was urged to' to 'urged that'. Yes, you read that right, the Telegraph is outdoing the Sun on dodgy reporting.
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Pissflaps posted:I'm susceptible to wind. Surely hanging around in this thread has to be bad for you then?
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Darth Walrus posted:You can see what happened by reading the Sun article - Seumas Milne is the 'most senior aide', and the Telegraph changed 'was urged to' to 'urged that'. Yes, you read that right, the Telegraph is outdoing the Sun on dodgy reporting. Oh that's what they're doing. I was very confused and read it the other way because the Sun is trying really hard to make it sound like Winterton is the aide as well.
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kingturnip posted:Also, given that every other day Neil Coyle is described as a 'senior figure in Labour' as he shits all over his own party, I think it's fair to ignore >75% of what most of the papers say if it's anti-Corbyn.
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jabby posted:When did Rosie Winterton become Jeremy Corbyn's most senior aide? Agreed. Also Corbyn won't impose a three line whip on the article 50 vote and labour will definitely get concessions. Not So Fast posted:The boner Reddit has for Blair is insufferable. This is the group that actually thinks he'd be better than Corbyn right now. They're right.
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Junior G-man posted:Latest Anywhere But Westminster is in Stoke and well worth 10 minutes: I notice in this no-one mentions Corbyn at all until a Labour rep brings him up, despite him apparently being the biggest problem on the doorstep. Instead what comes up repeatedly is the fact that Labour have had control of the area for decades and have done gently caress-all for the people who live there. Shocking. Over the last decade parachuted-in centrist arseholes like Hunt have turned majorities in the tens of thousands into majorities of a few thousand and yet people are still salivating to pin the blame entirely on Corbyn and cry 'bring back the parachuted-in centrist arseholes'. Like the trend of constantly diminishing votes was suddenly going to reverse itself and wouldn't have led to the loss of the seat even if Corbyn had never existed. I have to admit I didn't like the canvasser's shtick though. When a voter asks 'What are you going to do for me?' replying with 'What do you want us to do?' and then 'That's exactly what we will do!' just comes off as insincere and patronising. Having said that though it's perfectly obvious from watching that what they say isn't a tenth as important as the fact that they're seen to be out there knocking on doors other candidates won't.
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Pissflaps posted:They're right. Would you consider it worth campaigning to put Blair back in charge of the Labour Party? You clearly have an opinion on the subject - is it worth putting in effort?
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Pissflaps you didn't have some magic genius knowing in advance Corbyn would be poo poo, you just spouted it from day one repeatedly. The rest of us were willing to give the fucker a chance until he did in fact turn out to be poo poo. Personally I think he could still turn it around if he just started loudly shouting socialist things all day every day but i think he tried that ineffectively for about 10 minutes at the start of year and was a bit poo poo at it. So here we are. Bummer.
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Seaside Loafer posted:Pissflaps you didn't have some magic genius knowing in advance Corbyn would be poo poo, you just spouted it from day one repeatedly. Well be fair, Corbyn has been 'not a Tory' from day one.
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Tesseraction posted:Well be fair, Corbyn has been 'not a Tory' from day one. IF ELECTED WE WILL BUILD 1000000 COUNCIL HOUSES AND BRING AND END TO THE LANDLORD CLASS!!!! WE WILL IMMEDIATELY NATIONALIZE THE ENTIRE RAIL SYSTEM AND USE THE PROFITS TO CUT FAIRS AND INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE!!!!! THE HIGHER RATE OF TAX WILL GO UP TO 75% AND BE SPEND ON HOSPITALS!!! thats it, job done, 3 soundbites and gently caress em (i can think of a dozen more but you need to keep it simple for the twitterrrss)
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I was making a joke about pissflaps, not Corbyn.
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If you keep track of Labour at all, and watch Jeremy's speeches, he's pretty drat socialist. Maybe not a Morning Star column socialist, but very, very left of actual center (as opposed to Neo-Liberal Blair center). Hell, the Labour party platform has right of first refusal to buy a company from the owners as a co-op enterprise if they try to move.
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Tesseraction posted:I was making a joke about pissflaps, not Corbyn.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnKFaAS30X8 https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-telescope-reveals-largest-batch-of-earth-size-habitable-zone-planets-around seven rocky earth sized planets orbiting one star 40 light years away.
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Seaside Loafer posted:Pissflaps you didn't have some magic genius knowing in advance Corbyn would be poo poo, you just spouted it from day one repeatedly. The rest of us were willing to give the fucker a chance until he did in fact turn out to be poo poo. This is a lie. I didn't express misgivings about Corbyn until that first botched reshuffle, several months after he became leader.
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i think if you care this much about labour you should join the party pissflaps
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Membership of labour is currently seen as an endorsement of its leadership: even if I wanted to I couldn't join. I don't want to join, however. I'm a voter, not an activist.
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then can you restrict yourself to just voting for labour, or not, rather than endlessly discussing them. which of those new planets would you like to live on for instance?
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Junior G-man posted:Latest Anywhere But Westminster is in Stoke and well worth 10 minutes: was this tristram hunts constituency because lol if so
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Jose posted:was this tristram hunts constituency because lol if so yes
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lol what a loving terrible choice for MP no wonder everyone there hates the labour party
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lets just parachute some posh oval office called tristram into stoke
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