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Oxxidation posted:Netherlands lol forget what I said earlier, pack up your family and 
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Feb 21, 2017 18:45
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Haha I live in a blue island surrounded by the reddest of red districts, where water scarcity will become an increasingly real problem for people who don't understand why a dripping faucet can add so much to your water bill. Sea level rise is going to hurt, but it is continental drought that we should really be worried about. Economic drought for under-educated white people already gave us Trump. When the water starts to get expensive there will be so much more blood in the streets. Hence the coda: Make friends.
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Feb 21, 2017 18:59
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If you honestly belive there's going to be "blood in the streets", what exactly does it mean to make friends? Like practice fortifying and holding a defensive position?
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Feb 21, 2017 19:05
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More people put together can do more things than less people apart. That includes fortifying and holding a defensive position, as well as growing and storing food and supplies and general survival in bad circumstances, as well as miscellaneous skills and abilities that any potential friends may already have without regards to specific survival issues.
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Feb 21, 2017 19:16
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Ah yes, the "I'm totally going to be able to grow and store food in a post-apocalyptic US without turning my community into a paramilitary organization" position, the thread begins again The only "survival" issue that's going to matter is how accurate you are with your remaining steel-cased .223, unless you think that the folks who didn't prepare will go away nicely when asked.
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Feb 21, 2017 19:38
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Can there be a post-apocalyptic preparedness thread so we don't poo poo up the thread that's supposed to be about climate with posts about various psychological problems and how to field strip your AR-15?
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Feb 21, 2017 20:11
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Oxxidation posted:I live on a coast and things aren't much rosier here. At least the Dutch can build boats out of their impractical wooden shoes.
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Feb 21, 2017 20:27
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Yeah I was speaking figuratively (mainly). Making friends makes it easier to advocate for your community's well being in an increasingly contentious and zero-sum resource environment. Making the leap from "things will be bad" to "better buy guns" is, I think, part of the problem. We (myself included) seem to have a really hard time envisioning bad scenarios where we aren't forced into playing some sort of heroic role due to the absolute chaos of it all. In reality, it will be much more boring. Doubly so when it comes to things like community based resource management or local politics.
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Feb 21, 2017 20:36
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Apparently Charles C. Mann has a book due out in October which addresses the question Climate Change: What is to be Done? http://kottke.org/17/02/the-wizard-and-the-prophet quote:In forty years, Earth’s population will reach ten billion. Can our world support that? What kind of world will it be? Those answering these questions generally fall into two deeply divided groups — Wizards and Prophets, as Charles Mann calls them in this balanced, authoritative, non-polemical new book. The Prophets, he explains, follow William Vogt, a founding environmentalist who believed that in using more than our planet has to give, our prosperity will lead us to ruin. Cut back! was his mantra. Otherwise everyone will lose! The Wizards are the heirs of Norman Borlaug, whose research, in effect, wrangled the world in service to our species to produce modern high-yield crops that then saved millions from starvation. Innovate! was Borlaug’s cry. Only in that way can everyone win! Mann delves into these diverging viewpoints to assess the four great challenges humanity faces — food, water, energy, climate change — grounding each in historical context and weighing the options for the future.
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Feb 21, 2017 21:43
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AceOfFlames posted:So why exactly should I care about anything then? I already have no friends, no SO and if I get one it's just another person I have to defend. I don't understand why keep fighting in this case. What is so special about the process of living? Why fight a war that has been lost? I genuinely want to know. Is it an instinct that I don't have? Is it a possible subconscious religious thing? I know if there turns out to be a God He will have to beg for my forgiveness. I have people I care about/care about me but watch/read The Road and that's about how later this century looks to be turning out so I hear you. But I mean when you're up in your attic and the water is coming up the stairs you're still going to be clawing your fingats bloody on that plywood for one more breath so maybe plan ahead a little, idk. syscall girl fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Feb 22, 2017 05:17
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It's not all doom and gloom. 3C total isn't out of reach yet even for someone with a pretty pessimistic view of things. That's low enough that while causing massive disruption and untold human suffering, it's probably not a life that differs all that much from the present day. Don't uncount your eggs before they hatch. Plus even if it is the end of all things, you get to live life at the absolute pinnacle of human technologic development. Yuck it up and enjoy it, cause that's pretty awesome.
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Feb 22, 2017 05:24
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watch vr porn as redneck cannibals devour you
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Feb 22, 2017 08:00
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If VR can somewhat replace actual conspicuous consumption, would that make any kind of difference? Coal-Rolling Simulator 2024, now on Steam!
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Feb 22, 2017 19:11
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JohnnySavs posted:If VR can somewhat replace actual conspicuous consumption, would that make any kind of difference? Coal-Rolling Simulator 2024, now on Steam! Only if it makes liberals mad.
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Feb 22, 2017 19:17
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This is... ridiculous, but I'm having trouble finding data about ice sheets from the last couple years.
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Feb 22, 2017 19:17
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COOL CORN posted:This is... ridiculous, but I'm having trouble finding data about ice sheets from the last couple years. Antarctica is a land mass, that ice is not floating. Holy poo poo do they not teach people geography any more?
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Feb 22, 2017 19:22
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Also, Greenland has seen massive glacial ice loss which will accelerate as the Arctic Ocean loses ice (and hence refrigeration.) And speaking of Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAM0tZB0aIc
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Feb 22, 2017 19:25
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COOL CORN posted:This is... ridiculous, but I'm having trouble finding data about ice sheets from the last couple years. This is just plain stupid. And ignorant. If sea ice thickness is falling, why the gently caress would the caps be growing in the face of record high temperatures at the poles.
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Feb 22, 2017 19:50
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Furnaceface posted:Antarctica is a land mass, that ice is not floating. Holy poo poo do they not teach people geography any more? CommieGIR posted:This is just plain stupid. And ignorant. If sea ice thickness is falling, why the gently caress would the caps be growing in the face of record high temperatures at the poles.
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Feb 22, 2017 21:17
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Land ice melting and ocean warming causing thermal expansion. So rising water levels.
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Feb 22, 2017 21:27
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Whatever else you can say about the post, the person did actually make the distinction. "Ocean ice is melting, which doesn't affect sea levels, while land ice is increasing, meaning there's no need to worry", is basically what's being said. They made a distinction, but the distinction is a red herring / false depending on the semantics.
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Feb 22, 2017 21:59
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Land ice isnt increasing though. Unless he's being obtuse and using a ratio of land/sea ice?
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Feb 22, 2017 23:44
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COOL CORN posted:This is... ridiculous, but I'm having trouble finding data about ice sheets from the last couple years. wow this is pretty hosed. somebody better email the climate change scientists about this shocking claim. holy gently caress
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Feb 23, 2017 00:03
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COOL CORN posted:This is... ridiculous, but I'm having trouble finding data about ice sheets from the last couple years. NASA OMG has preliminary Greenland data from the latest and greatest study (it's experiencing exponential ice loss) Eric Rignot has the hot Antarctic data (he thinks the WAIS had already been sentenced to death)
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Feb 23, 2017 00:06
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Land ice loss contributes to flooding. Sea ice loss has more to do with shifting arctic climates from arid to marine while changing Earth's albedo. The facebook poster may as well be that imam who argues Earth can't be spinning if you don't move when you jump. As an aside, how exactly are you having trouble finding ice data?
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Feb 23, 2017 01:29
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COOL CORN posted:This is... ridiculous, but I'm having trouble finding data about ice sheets from the last couple years. It's funny that people still think melting sea ice doesn't raise sea levels. It's a small rise, but it exists. I suppose it's because of they don't bother to simulate it correctly with saltwater, and instead use freshwater.
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Feb 23, 2017 04:21
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Evil_Greven posted:It's funny that people still think melting sea ice doesn't raise sea levels. It's a small rise, but it exists. The other thing is that the people talking about the ice cube in water thing are ignoring that there is a poo poo load of ice on land. It melts, it runs down to the ocean, and suddenly the ocean has more water in it than it did before.
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Feb 23, 2017 04:30
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I have created a glorious sibling thread in which we can discuss preparing for the apocalypse and generally mock anyone stupid enough to think they could survive the collapse of civilization. 
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Feb 23, 2017 04:34
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Rime posted:I have created a glorious sibling thread in which we can discuss preparing for the apocalypse and generally mock anyone stupid enough to think they could survive the collapse of civilization.  I suggest though that you become a high school science teacher or electrical engineer or something more useful than a nut with a closet full of beans and rice and bullets. Learn something to keep yourself valuable and others alive.
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Feb 23, 2017 04:37
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If readers think I actually advocate stockpiling poo poo for the apocalypse rather than establishing deep community connections and a wealth of practical knowledge, I have no words. 
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Feb 23, 2017 04:42
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Anyone who is stockpiling closets full of beans instead of farm animals is the dumbest loving city slicker in the whole world.
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Feb 23, 2017 05:07
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Moment a disaster hits I'm robbing a pharmacy for its antivirals, antibiotics and insulin.
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Feb 23, 2017 05:54
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Unormal posted:Anyone who is stockpiling closets full of beans instead of farm animals is the dumbest loving city slicker in the whole world. I could barely fit one cow in my closet, what am I doing wrong farm man?
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Feb 23, 2017 05:57
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hooman posted:I could barely fit one cow in my closet, what am I doing wrong farm man? Living somewhere you can't have farm animals and fantasizing that you'll live. Stock up on antibiotics and coffee and powdered lemonade and barter instead if you live in a city, I guess. (Really just join the military. Nuclear sub seems like a nice place to be when everything else is going to poo poo, just bring fishing gear.) Unormal fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Feb 23, 2017 06:13
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Post-apocalypse survivalist types have always puzzled me a little I mean there's barely any point to being alive now, let alone when civilization goes belly-up
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Feb 23, 2017 06:15
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Oxxidation posted:Post-apocalypse survivalist types have always puzzled me a little Can I have your gear?
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Feb 23, 2017 06:16
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Salt Fish posted:They made a distinction, but the distinction is a red herring / false depending on the semantics.
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Feb 23, 2017 06:27
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Live in the city and have a quick, peaceful release from this poo poo hole we call mortality.
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Feb 23, 2017 06:30
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Oxxidation posted:Post-apocalypse survivalist types have always puzzled me a little This.
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There's probably a bunch of cool fossils and poo poo in Antarctica.
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