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My mother was named after a posh bloke and my nan was so poor and badly educated she couldn't read that the nurse had written down the male spelling of a name. Poor people with aspirations and dreams have always given kids posh names in the hope that they will better themselves, and are fully aware that no one called Tyson Kyle will ever work at the stock exchange.
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Is that what happened to Tristram Hunt?
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I'm pretty sure most voters in stoke or any where don't constantly conduct brown paper bag class tests on their mp's like this thread is obsessed with. The failure of labour in stoke is that they just didn't give a poo poo and assumed every one would keep voting for them as has been said.
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Pissflaps posted:Why? Was travel more accessible to the working classes then? The need to find employment less? in some ways travel was more accessible. you could hitchhike, and the need to find employment was a little lower as costs of living were relatively lower, especially for things like rent - coupled with the fact that you would likely be living with you parents longer, university education was free, as were dentists - then yeah, in some respects it would be easier so long as it was accessible by boat or car. picking up casual work was easy compared to today, from post WWII right up to the mid sixties unemployment rates were a lot lower than they are today. e/ and low unemployment rates - as you will know pissflaps - put more power in the hands of the workers, because it is harder for capitalists to fill their jobs. now we have - post thatcher - planned levels of unemployment to help keep wage inflation down, and the working classes worried that if they loose their job there will be many people ready to take it, for lower pay / benefits. so yeah, the need to *find* employment may have been less, but the *ease* of finding it in a new location would be greater than it is today, the risk of travelling lower. JFairfax fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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JFairfax posted:in some ways travel was more accessible. you could hitchhike, and the need to find employment was a little lower as costs of living were relatively lower, especially for things like rent - coupled with the fact that you would likely be living with you parents longer, university education was free, as were dentists - then yeah, in some respects it would be easier so long as it was accessible by boat or car. picking up casual work was easy compared to today, from post WWII right up to the mid sixties unemployment rates were a lot lower than they are today. I don't think Jeremy hitch hiked to the Caribbean for his working class gap year. Free dental care is an excellent and relevant point though.
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you can pretty much hitch a ride on a merchant navy vessel, even to this day it's a pretty cheap way of travelling long distances if you're not worried about getting there quickly
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Baron Corbyn posted:Does being named "Jeremy" make you posh? My uncle's named Jeremy, I'm sure he'll be delighted to hear that he's reached the upper echelons of society. It's not posh, it's solidly middle-class. I've never met a scaffolder called Jeremy.
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Sounds like a wizard adventure Jeremy. Back home to the Manor House for lashings of ginger beer.goddamnedtwisto posted:It's not posh, it's solidly middle-class. I've never met a scaffolder called Jeremy. Middle class is posh.
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Entirely possible you know, it wasn't always mandatory for girls to go to school and most of our illiteracy figures come from elderly ladies. My nan did learn to read with the first grandchild in her late 50s, there are stories about how she would sit with my cousin on her knee and they would both be reading the same A is for apple picture books together.
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JFairfax posted:you can pretty much hitch a ride on a merchant navy vessel, even to this day it's a pretty cheap way of travelling long distances if you're not worried about getting there quickly It's actually easier nowadays because there are websites devoted to matching people up to cargo ships going their way, rather than you having to walk/ring around shipping agents on the off-chance.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It's not posh, it's solidly middle-class. I've never met a scaffolder called Jeremy. no, they'd probably go by Jez
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okay. so. pissflaps, what is your definition of Working Class?
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JFairfax posted:no, they'd probably go by Jez Haha definitely this.
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JFairfax posted:okay. so. Why do you want my definition of working class?
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it's useful to define terms so everyone knows what they're actually talking about.
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Pissflaps posted:Sounds like a wizard adventure Jeremy. Back home to the Manor House for lashings of ginger beer. Nah, posh is upper class, where the names loop back round to being working-class. Harry could be a scaffolder or he could be fourth in line to the throne, but just like there are no scaffolders called Jeremy there aren't any Dukes called Jeremy.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It's actually easier nowadays because there are websites devoted to matching people up to cargo ships going their way, rather than you having to walk/ring around shipping agents on the off-chance. My aunt spent 8 weeks going from the UK to Australia via Singapore after she was told she couldn't fly for a year, and it cost £10 a day to live amongst Eastern Europeans on a cargo ship. She now speaks passable Russian and a few of them spent Christmas with her family on the beach.
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who wants to see the view from my work window i just posted it in another thread its pretty dismal
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Nah, posh is upper class, where the names loop back round to being working-class. Harry could be a scaffolder or he could be fourth in line to the throne, but just like there are no scaffolders called Jeremy there aren't any Dukes called Jeremy. No. You may be middle class yourself and uncomfortable with the description, but as a working class person I've encountered plenty of middle class people I'd call posh. You don't have to be a hereditary peer to be 'posh'.
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Jose posted:who wants to see the view from my work window i just posted it in another thread its pretty dismal yes. is it a collection of pissflaps' posts?
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JFairfax posted:is this a particularly dismal day? its pretty bad yeah
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Other than Sadiq there it almost treads like a least - most powerful list.
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Man. Not a single unlocked door. No barefoot children chasing a hoop down the road with a stick. Nothing. I bet you can't even hear "Roll Out the Barrel" being sung at the local. Dismal.
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The first casualty of Storm Doris has happened . RIP my neighbours TV areal which is currently hanging perilously over his car.
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Kokoro Wish posted:Man. Not a single unlocked door. No barefoot children chasing a hoop down the road with a stick. Nothing. I bet you can't even hear "Roll Out the Barrel" being sung at the local. there is a siren that goes off every now and then and i have no idea why and can't find anything by googling
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Jose posted:its pretty bad yeah have some pictures from the cat circus I went to   the eagle eyed amongst you may have noticed that it is actually a ground hog that is ringing the gong
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The greatest deceit of government was making people think that class is based on occupation and not the source of your income.
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hand-fed baby bird posted:was yougov founded by tories does anyone know Do you suspect they're fiddling the figures to make Labour seem less popular?
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Namtab posted:The greatest deceit of government was making people think that class is based on occupation and not the source of your income. unironically this, it's amazing really how effective it's been.
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Pissflaps posted:Do you suspect they're fiddling the figures to make Labour seem less popular? No
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The 'Britain' selection from Pantone.Namtab posted:The greatest deceit of government was making people think that class is based on occupation and not the source of your income.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It's not posh, it's solidly middle-class. I've never met a scaffolder called Jeremy. Huh, I never realised it was that kind of name. I didn't really know any middle class people until I went to university. My aunt has always fancied herself a bit of a social climber, maybe his solidly middle-class name is what attracted her.
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Fascinating and sobering analysis, related to our conversation this morning.quote:Labour’s core vote ebbs and falls but the fall in Labour’s working class support in the last 18 months has been catastrophic. Jeremy Corbyn may claim to represent the working class but they do not agree. Under his leadership, working class support for Labour is down to 23 points: the lowest it has ever been. Some might like to pretend Corbyn is a working class hero. We're not buying it. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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